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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 17, 2017 8:53:14 GMT -5
Now that I think it's imbedded into our coach we need point guards. Speaking of point guards/guards in this area? There are many. Let's get them! We know who they are now. Let's get em! Let's get back to Hoya ball. Pound the ball into the paint. Attacking. Do this on a consistent basis. Rebounding will come. Work on your free throws during your own time as well. Get SHOOTER'S. Let's get back to punching team's in the mouth (sarcastic)on defense. Team Hoyas, put your hands up on defense. Look big! No more hands down to the side crap! Don't let me get some bricks and have you running in place holding those bricks stretched out over your head to get you to learn to keep your hands and arms up! Our team's back in the day did it. You can do it now. Why not! It's basketball! You'll have the edge. Look big out there. I don't it cute having a lengthy team not looking intimidating. And, yes, point guards do want to come to Georgetown. A good to great floor general knows he can play in any offense. He/she knows they are the offense.
This would help our Hoyas keep their hands up ey? 1:45 see those bricks? lol David Wingate, Reggie Williams' Dunbar Poets (High School) This team would end up as the perhaps the Best High School Basketball Team Ever.
Our offense doesn't require a point guard, but realize it's a "Necessity" to have a floor general at all times to make good decisions on the ball (especially in critical situations/split second decisions), make their teammates better. The Hoyas definitely need shooters, so your point guard/s can feel comfortable passing the ball to them. It's the little things that added up to the picture, and where the Hoyas beat themselves. Point guard know to get back or at least communicate to his/her teammates, yell, "GET BACKKKK!" Throwing lobs to the basket challenging your bigs to go and get the ball near the basket and to finish the play. Bounce passes. Ball fakes. Attacking the paint! Playing with lots of heart. You see the best guard play during the March Madness games. Guards are leading their teams to victories. Some are even dominating games. Some point guards don't have the support around them. But, still, their job is to make whatever teammates they have, better.
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You don't have to order this, but I like that way this guy talks .
Go video to listen to as well.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 17, 2017 12:40:34 GMT -5
You're not at all wrong, glide. But you may be a lonely voice in the wilderness. . .until proven otherwise.
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Post by lb25 on Mar 17, 2017 13:17:58 GMT -5
this Princeton Offense wont attract a True PG. These young Kids want to go to the NBA. This offense will not get them there
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 17, 2017 15:25:21 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that we need to be recruiting hard. That's my biggest concern with the team right now. Coaching situation aside, we are pretty much at rock bottom when it comes to recruiting strategy. As we sit, we do have a cast of talent, but we really need incoming players next year, especially a guard to replace Waters. We also need a true big man who can back up Govan at Center. With Hayes gone and Mourning likely transferring, the cupboard is pretty bare inside. Akoy is more of a 4 than a 5. I hope we are working on it. Especially if the potential transfer rumors are true.
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Post by practice on Mar 17, 2017 15:34:44 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that we need to be recruiting hard. That's my biggest concern with the team right now. Coaching situation aside, we are pretty much at rock bottom when it comes to recruiting strategy. As we sit, we do have a cast of talent, but we really need incoming players next year, especially a guard to replace Waters. We also need a true big man who can back up Govan at Center. With Hayes gone and Mourning likely transferring, the cupboard is pretty bare inside. Akoy is more of a 4 than a 5. I hope we are working on it. Especially if the potential transfer rumors are true. The recruits and the current players don't live in a bubble ... the administration needs to say/do something very soon before there's disruption to our current recruits and players. The idea that Georgetown can recruit anyone right now is absurd. It just doesn't make sense to entertain going to a school when the status of the head coach -- and thus really all of the coaches -- appears to be up in the air. Whether or not Waters decided some time ago to decommit doesn't matter. The word is out now and everyone knows ... the great hope that Tremont offered for next season is gone. |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 17, 2017 15:40:58 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that we need to be recruiting hard. That's my biggest concern with the team right now. Coaching situation aside, we are pretty much at rock bottom when it comes to recruiting strategy. As we sit, we do have a cast of talent, but we really need incoming players next year, especially a guard to replace Waters. We also need a true big man who can back up Govan at Center. With Hayes gone and Mourning likely transferring, the cupboard is pretty bare inside. Akoy is more of a 4 than a 5. I hope we are working on it. Especially if the potential transfer rumors are true. The recruits and the current players don't live in a bubble ... the administration needs to say/do something very soon before there's disruption to our current recruits and players. The idea that Georgetown can recruit anyone right now is absurd. It just doesn't make sense to entertain going to a school when the status of the head coach -- and thus really all of the coaches -- appears to be up in the air. Whether or not Waters decided some time ago to decommit doesn't matter. The word is out now and everyone knows ... the great hope that Tremont offered for next season is gone. That's true. I spoke with an AAU coach earlier today and just asked him what he thought about our situation. He said Georgetown is really tough to market to recruits right now, and he cited the Princeton offense. Frankly, I've been ambivalent about the whole Princeton offense discussion, but it was clear to me that recruits see our offense as Princeton (whatever we call it doesn't matter) and it does affect our recruiting. I also got the sense, though I could be wrong, that we just aren't doing the work in the DC area to get the recruits we need. These are not good times in a recruiting sense. And to me that's the hard part. I could get behind JTIII or any coach if they showed me that they were doing work to bring kids into our program who fit a system they won't to run. I don't see it right now. |
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 17, 2017 16:55:51 GMT -5
You said was Mulmore was our Point Guard.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 18, 2017 13:51:17 GMT -5
You're not at all wrong, glide. But you may be a lonely voice in the wilderness. . .until proven otherwise. No,and probably assuming as most do here. It's already proven it's way over your head. Lol |
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Post by lb25 on Mar 18, 2017 16:18:27 GMT -5
You're not at all wrong, glide. But you may be a lonely voice in the wilderness. . .until proven otherwise. No, you're wrong and probably assuming as most do here. It's already proven it's way over your head. Lol Dont think anyone is assuming.we see what is and has been going on....top pg dont want to come here |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 18, 2017 19:55:07 GMT -5
No, you're wrong and probably assuming as most do here. It's already proven it's way over your head. Lol top pg dont want to come here Exactly, no matter how it's trying to be spun. The top flight PGs will pretty much look past the GU programs and go elsewhere. |
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Post by drquigley on Mar 18, 2017 20:46:55 GMT -5
What kills me is that guys like Govan and Derrickson were top recruits. But then you see them up close and you get the impression that we recruit based on reputation rather than a real hard look at these recruits strengths and weaknesses. Anyone who saw Govan play a lot would have to know that he is an absolutely horrible defender and has hands of stone. And Derrickson appears to be unable to dribble penetrate and if his shot isn't falling he seems to fall into a funk. I've said this over and over in other threads but anyone who watches a lot of high school basketball knows that big men high school studs can become smug because they are usually bigger and stronger than anyone they are playing against in high school. It is a shock for them when they face guys in major D1 programs who are as big or bigger and stronger than them and who can play defense. I really think that has been a major problem with our big men over the past 5+ years. Hopkins and Lubick are perfect examples and I'm afraid Govan and Derrickson are following in their footsteps.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 19, 2017 16:05:48 GMT -5
Looks like point guard play rules in this tourney.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 19, 2017 19:07:49 GMT -5
Looks like point guard play rules in this tourney. And not from the Princeton offense either  |
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Post by lb25 on Mar 19, 2017 19:47:43 GMT -5
Looks like point guard play rules in this tourney. And not from the Princeton offense either Truth |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 20, 2017 8:07:06 GMT -5
Looks like point guard play rules in this tourney. And not from the Princeton offense either I think if you really watching some of these games you'd see some teams running versions of the PO! Again and again. The Hoyas offense is called, "The Georgetown Offense." Pay attention. Too many people get on here and make themselves look like fools because they don't know the game of basketball like they think they do. Some do. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 20, 2017 8:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 20, 2017 9:40:03 GMT -5
And not from the Princeton offense either The Hoyas offense is called, "The Georgetown Offense." *Revision* No top flight PG's are willing to play for the GU offense either |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 20, 2017 10:19:24 GMT -5
The Hoyas offense is called, "The Georgetown Offense." *Revision* No top flight PG's are willing to play for the GU offense either I wouldn't say this knowing what I know LOL! Stop trying to copy of what people are saying most don't know!!! LOL! These people here mannnnnnnn! Hilarious! |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 20, 2017 10:20:17 GMT -5
The Hoyas offense is called, "The Georgetown Offense." *Revision* No top flight PG's are willing to play for the GU offense either Doesn't hurt to say, "my bad" or I was wrong. LOL! smh |
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Post by ahoya2 on Mar 20, 2017 10:47:48 GMT -5
I agree with your comments on our recruiting We have gotten some big names but they lacked fundatmental skills that were exposed when got to the college game.
-agree with comments on Govan and Derrickson. Both can improve and probably will. Too soon to judge harshly. Physically Govan is still like a big puppy
-Copeland: Even in Kenner he could not get his own shot, dribble without getting striped, a poor defender and a fair 6'9" post op shooter.
-Peak: high recruit. Love his motor. Tries hard. Improved ball handling this year and ability to get assists. Defensively -not great despite athleticism and effort. Needs to be able to stop and shoot on his dribble drives., Nice guard. Will not be playing pro ball in US
-I think Mosely will be a fine guard.
Watching the Tournament we lack tough, ball handling shooting guards. period. W sadly lack talent. This has notihing to do with the Princeton offense. The Princeton offense is nothing but fundamental spacing, reads and movement. We do none of these. Ask ND if the Princeton offense is dead.
I have upped my $$ to the Hoop Club. The program can still respond and improve but there has to be a better evaluation of the folks we recruit. In the short term we need a wing or two, another guard, and a tough relentless rebounder and rim defender. I wonder if the pervasive influence of AAU teams has hurt the underlying fundamentals of many skilled bball players? I recommend you read the "Boys of Dunbar: A Story of Love--" I is referenced in the first post of this string. I drove up to Baltimore and saw a couple of the Dunbar games. Unbelievalbly skilled and fundamentally sound players.
PS The decommit of Waters was more influenced by social media and the comments re Thompson than our crummy record. Players decommit more from school recruting over them than a poor record.
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