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Post by This Just In on Mar 17, 2017 8:37:17 GMT -5
Who Is The Best PG To Play for JTIII & Would he have been & would he have made a difference on the team now?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 17, 2017 8:59:54 GMT -5
Jon Walllace. Who by the way just in, everybody complained about while he was with Hoyas. Everybody said we needed someone more athletic and was dying for the Chris WRight era to being. Chris was very good and Markel got robbed by a bad senior year team.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 17, 2017 9:07:25 GMT -5
Chris Wright was our best point guard. Jon Wallace and Jessie Sapp were a good back court duo, but neither was a point guard. Markel Starks became a good point guard by his senior year.
Chris Wright (as a junior or pre-injury senior) would have made a huge difference for this team. I agree with glidehoya that a quality point guard was our most important weakness. I think if you added a player like freshman Cassius Winston of Michigan State or Maurice Watson (without the injury or sexual assault accusation) to our team, we might have been a NCAA team. Put an excellent playmaker on the court with LJ, Pryor, MD, and JG, and we could have had a pretty potent offense.
If Jagan Mosely develops as much as Markel Starks and Chris Wright in his four years, he can be a good college player, but I am not sure that he has the speed, quickness, or court vision to become a great one.
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Post by practice on Mar 17, 2017 9:11:09 GMT -5
Jon Walllace. Who by the way just in, everybody complained about while he was with Hoyas. Everybody said we needed someone more athletic and was dying for the Chris WRight era to being. Chris was very good and Markel got robbed by a bad senior year team. It's clear to me that Wallace, Wright, Markel, Jessie Sapp, DSR, Ashanti Cook, or Jason Clark would have made the 2016-17 back court significantly stronger. The Mulmore-Mosely-Campbell trifecta at PG has to rank as one of the weakest point guard ensembles in the history of modern Georgetown basketball ... most of those guys had better handles and many of them would have added much needed offense. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 17, 2017 9:15:36 GMT -5
SPAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...BUT, NO ONE! NOT ONE!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 17, 2017 9:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Mar 17, 2017 9:20:28 GMT -5
Wallace was good for the team he played with. He had his limitations, especially defensively. They were never exposed badly due to the talent around him. However, he had great intangibles, and feel for the game. He was the equivalent of a "game-managing" QB in football.
Wright suffered from a big problem in the III era: the lack of not only guards, but good ball-handlers. He was pretty much the exclusive ball-handler on the team. He had other skills offensively that could never be developed because he had to carry the load running the team and dribbling-wise. Jason Clark had ball-handling issues earlier on his career. Sapp could handle the rock, but he and Wright's games did not compliment each other well in the backcourt.
Starks is arguably the best guard III has had at the 1. Not only that, his improvement over 4 years was amazing. For his 1st 2 years here,he pretty much looked like he was going the vee sanford or tre campbell route. Then Starks became a monster his last two years. As mentioned before, the bad senior year team didn't do him justice. He and DSR were a good backcourt tandem. DSR wasn't the same once starks left. DSR's last 2 years were like Wright's: the primary ballhandler on the team where you can't display or show your other skills. Peak suffered the same fate this year.
Waters probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
Only a guy of Iverson's caliber could make that kind of impact needed.
People keep harping on PG's, we don't really need a PG. We need GUARDS. Not tweeners who play the 3 or 2 (think Peak, Pryor, Freeman, and Trawick). At least a good 3-man rotation.3 guys that can dribble without having the ball stripped. Guys that take their man off the dribble. 3 guys that can dribble without it looking like the basketball is a hindrance. Also, guys that can play some defense too.
Look at the tournament. Most teams have this. Heck, even the Terps have this.
Again, our problem this year, in spite of all this, was defense and rebounding. We keep talking about the Princeton and who is going to score for us,but how about making some defensive stops. Or eliminating second-chance shots for the opposing team? How many times this year in crunch time we couldn't make a crucial stop? Or we were just burned by poor boxing-out and the other team getting an offensive rebound and put-back shot? Those offensive rebounds just killed us this year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 17, 2017 9:22:34 GMT -5
Jon Walllace. Who by the way just in, everybody complained about while he was with Hoyas. Everybody said we needed someone more athletic and was dying for the Chris WRight era to being. Chris was very good and Markel got robbed by a bad senior year team. It's clear to me that Wallace, Wright, Markel, Jessie Sapp, DSR, Ashanti Cook, or Jason Clark would have made the 2016-17 back court significantly stronger. The Mulmore-Mosely-Campbell trifecta at PG has to rank as one of the weakest point guard ensembles in the history of modern Georgetown basketball ... most of those guys had better handles and many of them would have added much needed offense. Sure. All of those guys would have made this team significantly better. Probably good enough to make the NCAAs this year. Better players equal better results. Not exactly rocket science. We were certainly solid enough at the two and the three this year, but you could go through the same exercise at the four and the five. Looking at the games yesterday, so many of these teams (even the low majors) have guys they can dump the ball into and are capable of making a strong move to the basket and either get fouled or score well north of half the time, even against taller, stronger competition. And most of them can deal successfully with double teams (by "successfully," I don't set the bar too high -- just avoid turnovers 90% of the time...) Jesse and Brad (or Agau) were nowhere near that this year. Marcus has a good post-game once he gets the ball, but he has the inexplicable offensive foul issue while posting up. Obviously, Isaac didn't have that in his game when he was playing the four. It was striking to me how many of these teams use their guards in that role too. Brunson doesn't get passed to a lot in the post, but his drives to the basket are such that they really are post-type plays. Princeton did that a ton too. And others. I've been screaming for years that we don't do enough of that (LJ or Rodney would have been good there this year). |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 17, 2017 9:32:55 GMT -5
It's clear to me that Wallace, Wright, Markel, Jessie Sapp, DSR, Ashanti Cook, or Jason Clark would have made the 2016-17 back court significantly stronger. The Mulmore-Mosely-Campbell trifecta at PG has to rank as one of the weakest point guard ensembles in the history of modern Georgetown basketball ... most of those guys had better handles and many of them would have added much needed offense. Sure. All of those guys would have made this team significantly better. Probably good enough to make the NCAAs this year. Better players equal better results. Not exactly rocket science. We were certainly solid enough at the two and the three this year, but you could go through the same exercise at the four and the five. Looking at the games yesterday, so many of these teams (even the low majors) have guys they can dump the ball into and are capable of making a strong move to the basket and either get fouled or score well north of half the time, even against taller, stronger competition. And most of them can deal successfully with double teams (by "successfully," I don't set the bar too high -- just avoid turnovers 90% of the time...) Jesse and Brad (or Agau) were nowhere near that this year. Marcus has a good post-game once he gets the ball, but he has the inexplicable offensive foul issue while posting up. Obviously, Isaac didn't have that in his game when he was playing the four. It was striking to me how many of these teams use their guards in that role too. Brunson doesn't get passed to a lot in the post, but his drives to the basket are such that they really are post-type plays. Princeton did that a ton too. And others. I've been screaming for years that we don't do enough of that (LJ or Rodney would have been good there this year). Exactly, why you need floor generals, some can do it all. I'm glad people are waking up and seeing how valuable and unsung point guard play is. Underrated imo. It's your floor general's job to make his teammates better especially your bigs!!! Can't stress this enough. My son was a point guard check out his video . Nice young point guard. #10 #12 |
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 17, 2017 10:55:51 GMT -5
I got Chris Wright in a landslide. How many incredible games he played over the years. Fast, strong, fearless, good vision, one of my all-time favorite Hoyas.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 17, 2017 12:14:51 GMT -5
Markel's last year is hard to beat. He just exuded confidence and was the true leader of the team. When the ball was in his hands, you knew he would not make stupid mistakes.
The comparison to this year's team is stark (pun intended). Who was our on court leader this year???
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Post by Massholya on Mar 18, 2017 8:30:19 GMT -5
Watching tourney games, I see a LOT of good ball handling point guards, 2 guards, and forwards. I see points on mid majors and below who put ours to shame ball handling wise. Makes our lack of skill in this area all the more puzzling since it's not like the guys we have playing these positions are amazing shooters or anything. What skill would we say JT 3 teams are known for? Why does he construct his teams the way he does when there are certainly players available? What is he trying to accomplish?
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 18, 2017 13:10:31 GMT -5
I think Ashanti cook was the best point guard under jt3.he could shoot the three and finish.and played good on the ball defence,passed good.he was really good.i loved his game.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 25, 2017 22:37:57 GMT -5
I think Ashanti cook was the best point guard under jt3.he could shoot the three and finish.and played good on the ball defence,passed good.he was really good.i loved his game. Ashanti Cook was very under rated That 2005/2006 Hoya team ended up being the lead in to the Final Four run and 1 of the 2 times III got out of the 2nd Rd. If it was not Fla. Gators, the Hoyas may have went to the Final Four that year too. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2017 16:27:23 GMT -5
A few Duren, Jackson, Smith, J. Brown, Allen Iverson...
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Post by This Just In on Mar 29, 2017 21:12:38 GMT -5
A few Duren, Jackson, Smith, J. Brown, Allen Iverson... Not familiar with Duren but Joey Brown was underrated |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 31, 2017 9:02:30 GMT -5
A few Duren, Jackson, Smith, J. Brown, Allen Iverson... Not familiar with Duren but Joey Brown was underrated Nice leader JB was. |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 9:24:49 GMT -5
Not familiar with Duren but Joey Brown was underrated Nice leader JB was. What is Duren's first name? |
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 31, 2017 9:33:32 GMT -5
What is Duren's first name? I'm pretty sure we're talking about John here, and not Lonnie.  |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 31, 2017 9:39:44 GMT -5
What is Duren's first name? I'm pretty sure we're talking about John here, and not Lonnie. John Duren |
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