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Post by wilknow on Mar 15, 2017 20:48:32 GMT -5
HeY imagine Porter Jr,'17' coming to Gtown since Lomar got fired at U of Washingtob..Loosen up. Wishful thinking
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 15, 2017 22:31:42 GMT -5
HeY imagine Porter Jr,'17' coming to Gtown since Lomar got fired at U of Washingtob..Loosen up. Wishful thinking 247Sports has got him staying in Missouri and possibly playing for Cal's old coach.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 15, 2017 23:11:34 GMT -5
I'm sure if we gave Porter Sr. the HC job, we would win this recruiting battle...how long could JT3 stretch his career by hiring the fathers of top prospects like Romar did. Seriously though, if we got Chillious, maybe he'd bring Michael Porter Sr. for a 1 year assistant job.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 21, 2017 18:35:22 GMT -5
Ugh. That really sucks. Best of luck to young Mr. Porter for a speedy and full recovery.
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 24, 2017 9:21:14 GMT -5
I dont understand why espn ranked bagley higher than porter, i mean dont get me wrong bagley is great however seeing him against less talented schools he would just sometimes rely on him being taller and being more athletic, on the other hand porter jr doesnt seem to rattled and is more poised going to the basket.
even with this injury its not career ending i think i believe its a hip injury so giles got drafted still despite busting both of his knees. Porter jr would still be solid to the next level even if he would rest a couple of months more, i dont see the benefit of playing college ball next year.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 26, 2017 12:50:18 GMT -5
I dont understand why espn ranked bagley higher than porter, i mean dont get me wrong bagley is great however seeing him against less talented schools he would just sometimes rely on him being taller and being more athletic, on the other hand porter jr doesnt seem to rattled and is more poised going to the basket. even with this injury its not career ending i think i believe its a hip injury so giles got drafted still despite busting both of his knees. Porter jr would still be solid to the next level even if he would rest a couple of months more, i dont see the benefit of playing college ball next year. Because Bagley is a better player than Porter
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 27, 2017 9:29:50 GMT -5
I dont understand why espn ranked bagley higher than porter, i mean dont get me wrong bagley is great however seeing him against less talented schools he would just sometimes rely on him being taller and being more athletic, on the other hand porter jr doesnt seem to rattled and is more poised going to the basket. even with this injury its not career ending i think i believe its a hip injury so giles got drafted still despite busting both of his knees. Porter jr would still be solid to the next level even if he would rest a couple of months more, i dont see the benefit of playing college ball next year. Because Bagley is a better player than Porter health wise now yes but overall talent no way... He isnt clearly the better player... Yes you see how bagley dominates against these kids I would like for him to perform under pressure because when Bagley and Porter met he crumbled in the end and throw up a wild shot. Porter Jr to me can be a better version of Jason Tatum and the only talent i would put over that kind of a player is a joel embiid or a ben simmons and i dont think that bagley is in the level of those 2.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 9:43:44 GMT -5
Because Bagley is a better player than Porter health wise now yes but overall talent no way... He isnt clearly the better player... Yes you see how bagley dominates against these kids I would like for him to perform under pressure because when Bagley and Porter met he crumbled in the end and throw up a wild shot. Porter Jr to me can be a better version of Jason Tatum and the only talent i would put over that kind of a player is a joel embiid or a ben simmons and i dont think that bagley is in the level of those 2. Bagley is the best talent heading into the NBA draft probably since LeBron James. Bagley should be in high school still and he's dominant at the highest college level with a game that easily translates to the association. Embid can't stay healthy. Ben Simmons can't shoot. Anthony Davis is better than both of them and Bagley is tracking to be a better offensive version of The Brow. You are right though, Porter does look like a better version of Tatum. But is a better version of Tatum better than any of the above mentioned players?
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 27, 2017 10:15:18 GMT -5
health wise now yes but overall talent no way... He isnt clearly the better player... Yes you see how bagley dominates against these kids I would like for him to perform under pressure because when Bagley and Porter met he crumbled in the end and throw up a wild shot. Porter Jr to me can be a better version of Jason Tatum and the only talent i would put over that kind of a player is a joel embiid or a ben simmons and i dont think that bagley is in the level of those 2. Bagley is the best talent heading into the NBA draft probably since LeBron James. Bagley should be in high school still and he's dominant at the highest college level with a game that easily translates to the association. Embid can't stay healthy. Ben Simmons can't shoot. Anthony Davis is better than both of them and Bagley is tracking to be a better offensive version of The Brow. You are right though, Porter does look like a better version of Tatum. But is a better version of Tatum better than any of the above mentioned players? Dont know about being a better version of AD ... Even giannis as good as giannis now he isnt better than AD. Bagley the best talent since lebron? seriously ... Simmons cant shoot but he can do everything else way better than Bagley could passing, handles, defense and being a leader. Embiid if healthy is the best bigman in the nba. he is the reason why they are winning. I am not sold on bagley as to being the best talent after LBJ that is a huge disrespect on KD, Durant, AD, Cousins, KAT.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 27, 2017 10:30:25 GMT -5
Bagley as the best talent since Lebron is silly, but he is really freaking good. That said, so is Luca Doncic who is 18 years old and maybe the best player in Europe today. And Porter is a huge talent as well assuming he gets healthy. Whoever picks in the top 3 is going to be very very happy.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 12:37:30 GMT -5
Bagley is the best talent heading into the NBA draft probably since LeBron James. Bagley should be in high school still and he's dominant at the highest college level with a game that easily translates to the association. Embid can't stay healthy. Ben Simmons can't shoot. Anthony Davis is better than both of them and Bagley is tracking to be a better offensive version of The Brow. You are right though, Porter does look like a better version of Tatum. But is a better version of Tatum better than any of the above mentioned players? Dont know about being a better version of AD ... Even giannis as good as giannis now he isnt better than AD. Bagley the best talent since lebron? seriously ... Simmons cant shoot but he can do everything else way better than Bagley could passing, handles, defense and being a leader. Embiid if healthy is the best bigman in the nba. he is the reason why they are winning. I am not sold on bagley as to being the best talent after LBJ that is a huge disrespect on KD, Durant, AD, Cousins, KAT. I did use the word "talent" for a reason. I didn't say he is or will be the best player. Your looking at those players in the Association as they are now but not how they played in college or what the media and scouts thought of them when they were in college and heading into the draft. Many people had some doubts on all those players heading into the draft. Many thought KD wasn't strong enough to play in the league. Anthony Davis offensive skills were questioned. Boogie's attitude was a concern. Wall's perimeter shooting was and still a limitation to his game. KAT was the surest bet but even he had some questions about his overall skill which wasn't flushed out until his individual workouts which blew GM's and scouts out of the water. No one is questioning anything regarding Marvin Bagley and his NBA superstar potential. One thing for sure is this is a probably going to be a very deep and talented draft at every position if all the potential 1 & done candidates declare. The depth of this draft could be a reason why Govan returns for his senior year as next year's draft isn't projected to be nearly as deep plus their will be a change made in some fashion to end the 1 & done rule.
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 27, 2017 15:30:33 GMT -5
Dont know about being a better version of AD ... Even giannis as good as giannis now he isnt better than AD. Bagley the best talent since lebron? seriously ... Simmons cant shoot but he can do everything else way better than Bagley could passing, handles, defense and being a leader. Embiid if healthy is the best bigman in the nba. he is the reason why they are winning. I am not sold on bagley as to being the best talent after LBJ that is a huge disrespect on KD, Durant, AD, Cousins, KAT. I did use the word "talent" for a reason. I didn't say he is or will be the best player. Your looking at those players in the Association as they are now but not how they played in college or what the media and scouts thought of them when they were in college and heading into the draft. Many people had some doubts on all those players heading into the draft. Many thought KD wasn't strong enough to play in the league. Anthony Davis offensive skills were questioned. Boogie's attitude was a concern. Wall's perimeter shooting was and still a limitation to his game. KAT was the surest bet but even he had some questions about his overall skill which wasn't flushed out until his individual workouts which blew GM's and scouts out of the water. No one is questioning anything regarding Marvin Bagley and his NBA superstar potential. One thing for sure is this is a probably going to be a very deep and talented draft at every position if all the potential 1 & done candidates declare. The depth of this draft could be a reason why Govan returns for his senior year as next year's draft isn't projected to be nearly as deep plus their will be a change made in some fashion to end the 1 & done rule. Your arguments are true i definitely think the same but we can say the same about Beasley who was also putting monstrous numbers in college and there are a lot others, the one thing i recall about Bagley that his work ethic isnt the same as the other highly touted HS player in Zion Williamson. being a generational talent is good but if you arent a hard working you will fail. Anthony randolph was supposed to be great as well am not saying Bagley will bust like randolph but we'll see.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 16:44:00 GMT -5
I did use the word "talent" for a reason. I didn't say he is or will be the best player. Your looking at those players in the Association as they are now but not how they played in college or what the media and scouts thought of them when they were in college and heading into the draft. Many people had some doubts on all those players heading into the draft. Many thought KD wasn't strong enough to play in the league. Anthony Davis offensive skills were questioned. Boogie's attitude was a concern. Wall's perimeter shooting was and still a limitation to his game. KAT was the surest bet but even he had some questions about his overall skill which wasn't flushed out until his individual workouts which blew GM's and scouts out of the water. No one is questioning anything regarding Marvin Bagley and his NBA superstar potential. One thing for sure is this is a probably going to be a very deep and talented draft at every position if all the potential 1 & done candidates declare. The depth of this draft could be a reason why Govan returns for his senior year as next year's draft isn't projected to be nearly as deep plus their will be a change made in some fashion to end the 1 & done rule. Your arguments are true i definitely think the same but we can say the same about Beasley who was also putting monstrous numbers in college and there are a lot others, the one thing i recall about Bagley that his work ethic isnt the same as the other highly touted HS player in Zion Williamson. being a generational talent is good but if you arent a hard working you will fail. Anthony randolph was supposed to be great as well am not saying Bagley will bust like randolph but we'll see. I'm not sure I quite understand your above statement. Are you saying that Bagley isn't a hard worker and that Zion Williamson is? Are you also saying that Zion Williamson is a generational talent? If you are saying that, neither one of those things are true. Zion Williamson isn't a generational talent! Not even close! I don't believe any professional scout has called him a generational talent. The same Zion Williamson that has put on 30 plus pounds of fat in the last year or so? He weighed in at the U.S. Basketball camp at over 275lbs and measured in at 6'5"? Williamson has great athleticism and is physically much more gifted than kids his age. Eventually that balances out when you start playing against like physical talent. I have yet to read or see anywhere anyone question Bagley's work ethic. Bagley was being talked about as being an elite talent when he was 14 years old. Bagley was known as the best Prospect in any class as early as the summer before his sophomore year. Have you watched Bagley play at all? Last thing anyone says after watching him play is "he doesn't work or play hard". His effort has never been questioned.
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 27, 2017 17:20:29 GMT -5
Your arguments are true i definitely think the same but we can say the same about Beasley who was also putting monstrous numbers in college and there are a lot others, the one thing i recall about Bagley that his work ethic isnt the same as the other highly touted HS player in Zion Williamson. being a generational talent is good but if you arent a hard working you will fail. Anthony randolph was supposed to be great as well am not saying Bagley will bust like randolph but we'll see. I'm not sure I quite understand your above statement. Are you saying that Bagley isn't a hard worker and that Zion Williamson is? Are you also saying that Zion Williamson is a generational talent? If you are saying that, neither one of those things are true. Zion Williamson isn't a generational talent! Not even close! I don't believe any professional scout has called him a generational talent. The same Zion Williamson that has put on 30 plus pounds of fat in the last year or so? He weighed in at the U.S. Basketball camp at over 275lbs and measured in at 6'5"? Williamson has great athleticism and is physically much more gifted than kids his age. Eventually that balances out when you start playing against like physical talent. I have yet to read or see anywhere anyone question Bagley's work ethic. Bagley was being talked about as being an elite talent when he was 14 years old. Bagley was known as the best Prospect in any class as early as the summer before his sophomore year. Have you watched Bagley play at all? Last thing anyone says after watching him play is "he doesn't work or play hard". His effort has never been questioned. i referred to bagley as the generational talent never said Zion is. My point there is that Zion has a better work Ethic as opposed to bagley it was mentioned multiple times that he isnt a gym rat because he is uber talented, even greats work out like there is no tomorrow and as early as now Bagley doesnt have that he relies on talent like beasley/ randolph and i surely hope that is not the case. Duke isnt really well known for producing great bigs just look at what they did to chase jeter, harry giles . Bagley stands out in college isnt really mind blowing considering the talent that he has around him right now. I would have wanted to see Bagley perform like how DSJ and Simmons did. maybe commit to a team that sucks and see how far he can take them. Sad that porter got injured, even if its the case i think if Porter recovers its not impossible for him to be a better player overall
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 17:48:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure I quite understand your above statement. Are you saying that Bagley isn't a hard worker and that Zion Williamson is? Are you also saying that Zion Williamson is a generational talent? If you are saying that, neither one of those things are true. Zion Williamson isn't a generational talent! Not even close! I don't believe any professional scout has called him a generational talent. The same Zion Williamson that has put on 30 plus pounds of fat in the last year or so? He weighed in at the U.S. Basketball camp at over 275lbs and measured in at 6'5"? Williamson has great athleticism and is physically much more gifted than kids his age. Eventually that balances out when you start playing against like physical talent. I have yet to read or see anywhere anyone question Bagley's work ethic. Bagley was being talked about as being an elite talent when he was 14 years old. Bagley was known as the best Prospect in any class as early as the summer before his sophomore year. Have you watched Bagley play at all? Last thing anyone says after watching him play is "he doesn't work or play hard". His effort has never been questioned. i referred to bagley as the generational talent never said Zion is. My point there is that Zion has a better work Ethic as opposed to bagley it was mentioned multiple times that he isnt a gym rat because he is uber talented, even greats work out like there is no tomorrow and as early as now Bagley doesnt have that he relies on talent like beasley/ randolph and i surely hope that is not the case. Duke isnt really well known for producing great bigs just look at what they did to chase jeter, harry giles . Bagley stands out in college isnt really mind blowing considering the talent that he has around him right now. I would have wanted to see Bagley perform like how DSJ and Simmons did. maybe commit to a team that sucks and see how far he can take them. Sad that porter got injured, even if its the case i think if Porter recovers its not impossible for him to be a better player overall Who has ever said any of this? I have never read or seen anyone state any of what your stating above. If anything, Zion has been criticized for his weight gain as recently as last month at USA basketball trials. Harry Gilles had to leave for the NBA because he couldn't afford another leg injury in doll and still get drafted. He left basically for money grab and I don't blame him one bit. Jeter was highly overrated! I watched Ivan Raab kill him and Zimmerman in high school. Anyone that really watched high school basketball knew both Jeter and Zimmerman were soft BIGs.
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Post by veilside21 on Nov 27, 2017 17:56:28 GMT -5
i referred to bagley as the generational talent never said Zion is. My point there is that Zion has a better work Ethic as opposed to bagley it was mentioned multiple times that he isnt a gym rat because he is uber talented, even greats work out like there is no tomorrow and as early as now Bagley doesnt have that he relies on talent like beasley/ randolph and i surely hope that is not the case. Duke isnt really well known for producing great bigs just look at what they did to chase jeter, harry giles . Bagley stands out in college isnt really mind blowing considering the talent that he has around him right now. I would have wanted to see Bagley perform like how DSJ and Simmons did. maybe commit to a team that sucks and see how far he can take them. Sad that porter got injured, even if its the case i think if Porter recovers its not impossible for him to be a better player overall Who has ever said any of this? I have never read or seen anyone state any of what your stating above. If anything, Zion has been criticized for his weight gain as recently as last month at USA basketball trials. Harry Gilles had to leave for the NBA because he couldn't afford another leg injury in doll and still get drafted. He left basically for money grab and I don't blame him one bit. Jeter was highly overrated! I watched Ivan Raab kill him and Zimmerman in high school. Anyone that really watched high school basketball knew both Jeter and Zimmerman were soft BIGs. Giles would have been the big if, just sucks that he got injured multiple times. Jeter you mentioned sucks but its funny that Arizona is all praises to the kid same effect that bagley is getting now obviously the guy is talented but dont get me wrong he doesnt have the ball handling of Simmons at this age and the passing of simmons as well. Basketball IQ i guess is a fair statement because again the game against hale with Michael Porter jr. Bagley got the last play and he fumbled. how is Bagley going to play in the NBA? a 3 or a 4 he isnt a center to be honest
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 27, 2017 21:03:38 GMT -5
Because Bagley is a better player than Porter health wise now yes but overall talent no way... He isnt clearly the better player... Yes you see how bagley dominates against these kids I would like for him to perform under pressure because when Bagley and Porter met he crumbled in the end and throw up a wild shot. Porter Jr to me can be a better version of Jason Tatum and the only talent i would put over that kind of a player is a joel embiid or a ben simmons and i dont think that bagley is in the level of those 2. Ive watched both all their careers. I love Porter, but Bagley is clearly a better player. Bigger, more length, more athletic, a better motor, better rebounder, better finisher....Mike may be a better pure scorer, but that's about it. And again, I say that as a guy who really likes Porter and thinks he's a future all-star....But Bagley and Luka Doncic....those dudes are just different
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 27, 2017 21:04:59 GMT -5
Bagley as the best talent since Lebron is silly, but he is really freaking good. That said, so is Luca Doncic who is 18 years old and maybe the best player in Europe today. And Porter is a huge talent as well assuming he gets healthy. Whoever picks in the top 3 is going to be very very happy. Doncic is the best player in the draft...even better than Bagley
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 28, 2017 12:11:36 GMT -5
Bagley as the best talent since Lebron is silly, but he is really freaking good. That said, so is Luca Doncic who is 18 years old and maybe the best player in Europe today. And Porter is a huge talent as well assuming he gets healthy. Whoever picks in the top 3 is going to be very very happy. Doncic is the best player in the draft...even better than Bagley I love Doncic but he doesn't have the upside that Bagley has. Bagley is a baby still with ridiculous potential to improve when his body starts to fill out.
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