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Post by dundermifflinhoya on Mar 14, 2017 13:33:54 GMT -5
I keep reading that we should bring in Patrick Ewing as a coach or how will JTII react to a new coach. Here is a novel idea – Georgetown should part ways with both JTII and JTIII. It is time for a clean slate at Georgetown.
First, bringing in new leadership team is done routinely in private business and the military. When a person or people retain power too long, they get too comfortable, develop groupthink, ideas get stale, and they ultimately lose the internal drive to be the best. None of this is conscious, but simply human nature. New leadership brings new vigor, fresh ideas, and a new direction.
Second, the current way is just not working. I am not specifically referring to the on court product (which has been debated on this board.) But how the basketball program interacts with the student body, the fans, and the press. I get part of Georgetown basketball was their defiant attitude. Life was Georgetown versus the world, and the team retreated into solitude and secrecy. Fast forward thirty years and we are still holding onto this past. But today social media and around the clock news inundate us. Yet, Georgetown remains quite, practicing in seclusion and bunkering down in the campus footprint. In contrast, look at what Jay Wright is doing. He is always on social media and the basketball team makes regular appearances in the community. Jay Wright has a radio show that takes place in the Villanova town. The fans feel like they are more a part of what is taking place rather than just watching the on-court product.
JTII built the basketball program and raised the awareness of the school in general. He mentored many of the young men he coached. But, this is what a coach is SUPPOSED to do. For this, he has been granted a lifetime fiefdom at the school and his name memorialized. And what real purpose does he serve at the school now? I assume he advises the school administration and fundraises? That is great, but from a pure business decision, is this relationship really working for Georgetown anymore? The school owes the Thompson family nothing. The school and Nike have made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. It has treated him and his family very well. If we say goodbye to the Thompson family and JTII responds by going scorched earth, that fact says more about him as a person than the school. Further, JTII has very little footprint on the campus. He has the ability to positively affect the campus in other areas besides basketball. For example, he could teach a class, be more public in support of the other sports programs on campus, and rally student support. He could have donated his own money to build the facility that bears his name – he did not.
There is a precedent for this type of situation. I grew up in PA and a Penn State football fan. The last decade of Joe Paterno’s reign involved the same conversation-taking place now. The program had some bad years, a few good years, but mostly slightly above average years. The administration refused to act, even though groupthink and nepotism permeated the program. Fans argued that the school owed Joe Paterno and the next coach must be a Penn Stater, ie, a Joe Paterno guy. Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired, neither having ties to Paterno or the program? The result? Yes, some recent on the field success. But more importantly, the program has seen a renaissance. The fan base is excited. Recruits are excited. Relationships grew tense with high school coaches in the state because Penn State felt they were beyond building personnel relationships – the status of the program spoke for itself. The result, animosity and the inability for PSU to recruit the state like they did in the 70’s and 80’s. The new coaches have made it a priority to re-build these relationships, and the by-product is excitement among the high school coaches and the ability to recruit the state.
The Thompsons have done a lot for the school and the basketball program. They seem like good people and have represented the school well. As a former student and fan, this fact makes me proud and I am appreciative. But running a school is a business. It is time that the school makes the decision to move forward without the Thompson’s directing the programs course of events. Limited NCAA success and two losing seasons have precipitated discussion of whether JTIII should be the coach, but the source of the problem runs deeper. To really move forward, both Thompson’s need to be removed and a coach with no ties to the university needs to be brought in to develop a new tradition. Villanova does not talk anymore about their 85 championship and Rollie Massimino. They talk about their 2016 championship and Jay Wright. Georgetown needs to concern itself with its future, not is past. We can only do that by moving on from the remnants of that past.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 13:51:19 GMT -5
I keep reading that we should bring in Patrick Ewing as a coach or how will JTII react to a new coach. Here is a novel idea – Georgetown should part ways with both JTII and JTIII. It is time for a clean slate at Georgetown. First, bringing in new leadership team is done routinely in private business and the military. When a person or people retain power too long, they get too comfortable, develop groupthink, ideas get stale, and they ultimately lose the internal drive to be the best. None of this is conscious, but simply human nature. New leadership brings new vigor, fresh ideas, and a new direction. Second, the current way is just not working. I am not specifically referring to the on court product (which has been debated on this board.) But how the basketball program interacts with the student body, the fans, and the press. I get part of Georgetown basketball was their defiant attitude. Life was Georgetown versus the world, and the team retreated into solitude and secrecy. Fast forward thirty years and we are still holding onto this past. But today social media and around the clock news inundate us. Yet, Georgetown remains quite, practicing in seclusion and bunkering down in the campus footprint. In contrast, look at what Jay Wright is doing. He is always on social media and the basketball team makes regular appearances in the community. Jay Wright has a radio show that takes place in the Villanova town. The fans feel like they are more a part of what is taking place rather than just watching the on-court product. JTII built the basketball program and raised the awareness of the school in general. He mentored many of the young men he coached. But, this is what a coach is SUPPOSED to do. For this, he has been granted a lifetime fiefdom at the school and his name memorialized. And what real purpose does he serve at the school now? I assume he advises the school administration and fundraises? That is great, but from a pure business decision, is this relationship really working for Georgetown anymore? The school owes the Thompson family nothing. The school and Nike have made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. It has treated him and his family very well. If we say goodbye to the Thompson family and JTII responds by going scorched earth, that fact says more about him as a person than the school. Further, JTII has very little footprint on the campus. He has the ability to positively affect the campus in other areas besides basketball. For example, he could teach a class, be more public in support of the other sports programs on campus, and rally student support. He could have donated his own money to build the facility that bears his name – he did not. There is a precedent for this type of situation. I grew up in PA and a Penn State football fan. The last decade of Joe Paterno’s reign involved the same conversation-taking place now. The program had some bad years, a few good years, but mostly slightly above average years. The administration refused to act, even though groupthink and nepotism permeated the program. Fans argued that the school owed Joe Paterno and the next coach must be a Penn Stater, ie, a Joe Paterno guy. Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired, neither having ties to Paterno or the program? The result? Yes, some recent on the field success. But more importantly, the program has seen a renaissance. The fan base is excited. Recruits are excited. Relationships grew tense with high school coaches in the state because Penn State felt they were beyond building personnel relationships – the status of the program spoke for itself. The result, animosity and the inability for PSU to recruit the state like they did in the 70’s and 80’s. The new coaches have made it a priority to re-build these relationships, and the by-product is excitement among the high school coaches and the ability to recruit the state. The Thompsons have done a lot for the school and the basketball program. They seem like good people and have represented the school well. As a former student and fan, this fact makes me proud and I am appreciative. But running a school is a business. It is time that the school makes the decision to move forward without the Thompson’s directing the programs course of events. Limited NCAA success and two losing seasons have precipitated discussion of whether JTIII should be the coach, but the source of the problem runs deeper. To really move forward, both Thompson’s need to be removed and a coach with no ties to the university needs to be brought in to develop a new tradition. Villanova does not talk anymore about their 85 championship and Rollie Massimino. They talk about their 2016 championship and Jay Wright. Georgetown needs to concern itself with its future, not is past. We can only do that by moving on from the remnants of that past. Deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 13:52:24 GMT -5
Clean slate of new fans would do!!! OHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 14, 2017 13:52:49 GMT -5
That was a reasoned and measured initial post. The response, not so much.
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 14, 2017 13:55:54 GMT -5
I keep reading that we should bring in Patrick Ewing as a coach or how will JTII react to a new coach. Here is a novel idea – Georgetown should part ways with both JTII and JTIII. It is time for a clean slate at Georgetown. First, bringing in new leadership team is done routinely in private business and the military. When a person or people retain power too long, they get too comfortable, develop groupthink, ideas get stale, and they ultimately lose the internal drive to be the best. None of this is conscious, but simply human nature. New leadership brings new vigor, fresh ideas, and a new direction. Second, the current way is just not working. I am not specifically referring to the on court product (which has been debated on this board.) But how the basketball program interacts with the student body, the fans, and the press. I get part of Georgetown basketball was their defiant attitude. Life was Georgetown versus the world, and the team retreated into solitude and secrecy. Fast forward thirty years and we are still holding onto this past. But today social media and around the clock news inundate us. Yet, Georgetown remains quite, practicing in seclusion and bunkering down in the campus footprint. In contrast, look at what Jay Wright is doing. He is always on social media and the basketball team makes regular appearances in the community. Jay Wright has a radio show that takes place in the Villanova town. The fans feel like they are more a part of what is taking place rather than just watching the on-court product. JTII built the basketball program and raised the awareness of the school in general. He mentored many of the young men he coached. But, this is what a coach is SUPPOSED to do. For this, he has been granted a lifetime fiefdom at the school and his name memorialized. And what real purpose does he serve at the school now? I assume he advises the school administration and fundraises? That is great, but from a pure business decision, is this relationship really working for Georgetown anymore? The school owes the Thompson family nothing. The school and Nike have made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. It has treated him and his family very well. If we say goodbye to the Thompson family and JTII responds by going scorched earth, that fact says more about him as a person than the school. Further, JTII has very little footprint on the campus. He has the ability to positively affect the campus in other areas besides basketball. For example, he could teach a class, be more public in support of the other sports programs on campus, and rally student support. He could have donated his own money to build the facility that bears his name – he did not. There is a precedent for this type of situation. I grew up in PA and a Penn State football fan. The last decade of Joe Paterno’s reign involved the same conversation-taking place now. The program had some bad years, a few good years, but mostly slightly above average years. The administration refused to act, even though groupthink and nepotism permeated the program. Fans argued that the school owed Joe Paterno and the next coach must be a Penn Stater, ie, a Joe Paterno guy. Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired, neither having ties to Paterno or the program? The result? Yes, some recent on the field success. But more importantly, the program has seen a renaissance. The fan base is excited. Recruits are excited. Relationships grew tense with high school coaches in the state because Penn State felt they were beyond building personnel relationships – the status of the program spoke for itself. The result, animosity and the inability for PSU to recruit the state like they did in the 70’s and 80’s. The new coaches have made it a priority to re-build these relationships, and the by-product is excitement among the high school coaches and the ability to recruit the state. The Thompsons have done a lot for the school and the basketball program. They seem like good people and have represented the school well. As a former student and fan, this fact makes me proud and I am appreciative. But running a school is a business. It is time that the school makes the decision to move forward without the Thompson’s directing the programs course of events. Limited NCAA success and two losing seasons have precipitated discussion of whether JTIII should be the coach, but the source of the problem runs deeper. To really move forward, both Thompson’s need to be removed and a coach with no ties to the university needs to be brought in to develop a new tradition. Villanova does not talk anymore about their 85 championship and Rollie Massimino. They talk about their 2016 championship and Jay Wright. Georgetown needs to concern itself with its future, not is past. We can only do that by moving on from the remnants of that past. Well said.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 14, 2017 13:57:15 GMT -5
Right. I disagree with the sentiments, but respect the presentation thereof and that others have different opinions. There is no need for our discourse to be nasty.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 14, 2017 14:02:06 GMT -5
I keep reading that we should bring in Patrick Ewing as a coach or how will JTII react to a new coach. Here is a novel idea – Georgetown should part ways with both JTII and JTIII. It is time for a clean slate at Georgetown. First, bringing in new leadership team is done routinely in private business and the military. When a person or people retain power too long, they get too comfortable, develop groupthink, ideas get stale, and they ultimately lose the internal drive to be the best. None of this is conscious, but simply human nature. New leadership brings new vigor, fresh ideas, and a new direction. Second, the current way is just not working. I am not specifically referring to the on court product (which has been debated on this board.) But how the basketball program interacts with the student body, the fans, and the press. I get part of Georgetown basketball was their defiant attitude. Life was Georgetown versus the world, and the team retreated into solitude and secrecy. Fast forward thirty years and we are still holding onto this past. But today social media and around the clock news inundate us. Yet, Georgetown remains quite, practicing in seclusion and bunkering down in the campus footprint. In contrast, look at what Jay Wright is doing. He is always on social media and the basketball team makes regular appearances in the community. Jay Wright has a radio show that takes place in the Villanova town. The fans feel like they are more a part of what is taking place rather than just watching the on-court product. JTII built the basketball program and raised the awareness of the school in general. He mentored many of the young men he coached. But, this is what a coach is SUPPOSED to do. For this, he has been granted a lifetime fiefdom at the school and his name memorialized. And what real purpose does he serve at the school now? I assume he advises the school administration and fundraises? That is great, but from a pure business decision, is this relationship really working for Georgetown anymore? The school owes the Thompson family nothing. The school and Nike have made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. It has treated him and his family very well. If we say goodbye to the Thompson family and JTII responds by going scorched earth, that fact says more about him as a person than the school. Further, JTII has very little footprint on the campus. He has the ability to positively affect the campus in other areas besides basketball. For example, he could teach a class, be more public in support of the other sports programs on campus, and rally student support. He could have donated his own money to build the facility that bears his name – he did not. There is a precedent for this type of situation. I grew up in PA and a Penn State football fan. The last decade of Joe Paterno’s reign involved the same conversation-taking place now. The program had some bad years, a few good years, but mostly slightly above average years. The administration refused to act, even though groupthink and nepotism permeated the program. Fans argued that the school owed Joe Paterno and the next coach must be a Penn Stater, ie, a Joe Paterno guy. Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired, neither having ties to Paterno or the program? The result? Yes, some recent on the field success. But more importantly, the program has seen a renaissance. The fan base is excited. Recruits are excited. Relationships grew tense with high school coaches in the state because Penn State felt they were beyond building personnel relationships – the status of the program spoke for itself. The result, animosity and the inability for PSU to recruit the state like they did in the 70’s and 80’s. The new coaches have made it a priority to re-build these relationships, and the by-product is excitement among the high school coaches and the ability to recruit the state. The Thompsons have done a lot for the school and the basketball program. They seem like good people and have represented the school well. As a former student and fan, this fact makes me proud and I am appreciative. But running a school is a business. It is time that the school makes the decision to move forward without the Thompson’s directing the programs course of events. Limited NCAA success and two losing seasons have precipitated discussion of whether JTIII should be the coach, but the source of the problem runs deeper. To really move forward, both Thompson’s need to be removed and a coach with no ties to the university needs to be brought in to develop a new tradition. Villanova does not talk anymore about their 85 championship and Rollie Massimino. They talk about their 2016 championship and Jay Wright. Georgetown needs to concern itself with its future, not is past. We can only do that by moving on from the remnants of that past. deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!! Glide, I think you missed it man. He is making some very fair points about coaches that became bigger then the school. Paterno was that at PSU, Thompson is that at GU (Pops), Bobby Knight was that at IU until he burned all bridges. We have had four years of hot garbage. We got lucky we got Otto as a late Spring signee or the span could have been longer. You look at Calipari and he is constantly pandering to these young kids. Pro days at his school, documentaries on him, he is ahead of the game on all this crap. We are playing the 2016 version of NCAA basketball with a 2007 mindset.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2017 14:09:54 GMT -5
I keep reading that we should bring in Patrick Ewing as a coach or how will JTII react to a new coach. Here is a novel idea – Georgetown should part ways with both JTII and JTIII. It is time for a clean slate at Georgetown. First, bringing in new leadership team is done routinely in private business and the military. When a person or people retain power too long, they get too comfortable, develop groupthink, ideas get stale, and they ultimately lose the internal drive to be the best. None of this is conscious, but simply human nature. New leadership brings new vigor, fresh ideas, and a new direction. Second, the current way is just not working. I am not specifically referring to the on court product (which has been debated on this board.) But how the basketball program interacts with the student body, the fans, and the press. I get part of Georgetown basketball was their defiant attitude. Life was Georgetown versus the world, and the team retreated into solitude and secrecy. Fast forward thirty years and we are still holding onto this past. But today social media and around the clock news inundate us. Yet, Georgetown remains quite, practicing in seclusion and bunkering down in the campus footprint. In contrast, look at what Jay Wright is doing. He is always on social media and the basketball team makes regular appearances in the community. Jay Wright has a radio show that takes place in the Villanova town. The fans feel like they are more a part of what is taking place rather than just watching the on-court product. JTII built the basketball program and raised the awareness of the school in general. He mentored many of the young men he coached. But, this is what a coach is SUPPOSED to do. For this, he has been granted a lifetime fiefdom at the school and his name memorialized. And what real purpose does he serve at the school now? I assume he advises the school administration and fundraises? That is great, but from a pure business decision, is this relationship really working for Georgetown anymore? The school owes the Thompson family nothing. The school and Nike have made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. It has treated him and his family very well. If we say goodbye to the Thompson family and JTII responds by going scorched earth, that fact says more about him as a person than the school. Further, JTII has very little footprint on the campus. He has the ability to positively affect the campus in other areas besides basketball. For example, he could teach a class, be more public in support of the other sports programs on campus, and rally student support. He could have donated his own money to build the facility that bears his name – he did not. There is a precedent for this type of situation. I grew up in PA and a Penn State football fan. The last decade of Joe Paterno’s reign involved the same conversation-taking place now. The program had some bad years, a few good years, but mostly slightly above average years. The administration refused to act, even though groupthink and nepotism permeated the program. Fans argued that the school owed Joe Paterno and the next coach must be a Penn Stater, ie, a Joe Paterno guy. Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired, neither having ties to Paterno or the program? The result? Yes, some recent on the field success. But more importantly, the program has seen a renaissance. The fan base is excited. Recruits are excited. Relationships grew tense with high school coaches in the state because Penn State felt they were beyond building personnel relationships – the status of the program spoke for itself. The result, animosity and the inability for PSU to recruit the state like they did in the 70’s and 80’s. The new coaches have made it a priority to re-build these relationships, and the by-product is excitement among the high school coaches and the ability to recruit the state. The Thompsons have done a lot for the school and the basketball program. They seem like good people and have represented the school well. As a former student and fan, this fact makes me proud and I am appreciative. But running a school is a business. It is time that the school makes the decision to move forward without the Thompson’s directing the programs course of events. Limited NCAA success and two losing seasons have precipitated discussion of whether JTIII should be the coach, but the source of the problem runs deeper. To really move forward, both Thompson’s need to be removed and a coach with no ties to the university needs to be brought in to develop a new tradition. Villanova does not talk anymore about their 85 championship and Rollie Massimino. They talk about their 2016 championship and Jay Wright. Georgetown needs to concern itself with its future, not is past. We can only do that by moving on from the remnants of that past. deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!! ban this deleted
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 14:18:38 GMT -5
deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!! Glide, I think you missed it man. He is making some very fair points about coaches that became bigger then the school. Paterno was that at PSU, Thompson is that at GU (Pops), Bobby Knight was that at IU until he burned all bridges. We have had four years of hot garbage. We got lucky we got Otto as a late Spring signee or the span could have been longer. You look at Calipari and he is constantly pandering to these young kids. Pro days at his school, documentaries on him, he is ahead of the game on all this crap. We are playing the 2016 version of NCAA basketball with a 2007 mindset. BS. deleted Penn State molesters. Bobby Knight was an idiot. Big John stepped down right? Injuries and Tyler's heart, Chris Wright (post season), academics have plagued the Hoyas. You forgot. This was during crucial times, and JT3 adjusted and won. So to say for the last 4 seasons of garbage is totally wrong.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 14:19:27 GMT -5
deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!! ban this deleted deleted. Only deletedsay this, I thought. Hmmm...
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 14, 2017 14:20:22 GMT -5
Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired... A technically well presented point of view. However, I threw up in my mouth a little at how this sentence was framed to create this forced comparison as if the "events" that occurred that forced the Penn State Administration to change the page on the Paterno's are at all analogous to the current situation at Georgetown. Actually a disgusting comparison.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 14:22:38 GMT -5
Eventually, events occurred that saw Bill O’Brien and James Franklin hired... A technically well presented point of view. However, I threw up in my mouth a little at how this sentence was presented to create this forced comparison as if the "events" that occurred that forced the Penn State Administration to change the page on the Paterno's are at all analogous to the current situation at Georgetown. Actually a disgusting comparison. IDK where some of these people come from LOL!
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2017 14:22:43 GMT -5
deleted We Are Gtown!... We Are Not Nova... The school doesn't owe the Thompson's anything??? Are you white? Hmm...I'm trying to see where this is going. No, it's not a coach's job to mentor. This is something they chose to do out of the kindness of their hearts. Some of these kids have no father, no direction. John Thompson Jr. is a legend deleted are you talking about??? Holding onto the past??? You can never forget about the past!!! You all say this when black people seek out their history and culture!!! ban this deletedStop deleted, Guru.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 14, 2017 14:32:05 GMT -5
Glide, I think you missed it man. He is making some very fair points about coaches that became bigger then the school. Paterno was that at PSU, Thompson is that at GU (Pops), Bobby Knight was that at IU until he burned all bridges. We have had four years of hot garbage. We got lucky we got Otto as a late Spring signee or the span could have been longer. You look at Calipari and he is constantly pandering to these young kids. Pro days at his school, documentaries on him, he is ahead of the game on all this crap. We are playing the 2016 version of NCAA basketball with a 2007 mindset. BS. deleted Penn State molesters. Bobby Knight was an idiot. Big John stepped down right? Injuries and Tyler's heart, Chris Wright (post season), academics have plagued the Hoyas. You forgot. This was during crucial times, and JT3 adjusted and won. So to say for the last 4 seasons of garbage is totally wrong. Glide, I know you go to games. What have you liked watching over the last four years? It can only be the 12-6 year in BE play. We have flat out stunk in three of the past four years. Watching Josh Smith phone it in half the games was not my idea of success. This has not been Georgetown basketball.
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Post by guru on Mar 14, 2017 14:32:56 GMT -5
What? Asking if a poster is white is out of line. And ignorant.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2017 14:38:07 GMT -5
What? Asking if a poster is white is out of line. And ignorant. No, it's not because I'm African in America. Who says me asking about if someone was white was out of line? You? Your privilege? Race baiting??? Again, most racists say this which is ignorant, not me. I'm conscious! You guru? Hmmm... I'll wait. Your move.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 14, 2017 14:40:21 GMT -5
Guru, agree. He just threw the race card at an anonymous poster. He should, at minimum, have posting privileges suspended.
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Post by TC on Mar 14, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -5
Joe Paterno wasn't cutting it on the football field, yadda yadda yadda, Bill O'Brien, James Franklin, complete renaissance!
This post made me really thankful for Jack DeGioia.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 14, 2017 14:52:28 GMT -5
Joe Paterno despite what many have been lead to believe long before the Polish pervert made Calipar, and Pitino look like a saint. You want to talk about crooked recruiting and keeping kids in school he wrote the book. Rip Engle been spinning in the grave for over 30 years years.
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 14, 2017 14:52:55 GMT -5
Without getting into the merits of who is white or not and how race may (or may not) affect our perception of the program let's be clear about one thing:
It all works as long as the team wins... JT2 didn't win because he was a mentor/father figure/trailblazer/icon, but rather was allowed to be the latter and raised his profile (and that of which he stood for) because he WON - the legend of JT2 doesn't happen without wins and win he did... a lot..
JT3 is a very different kind of man/coach yet he found his spot immediately in all our hearts because he WON... Soft spoken, many of his players reflect their coach (much like his father's did), sometimes a little too nice, a little too passive but as long as he won...
We have stopped winning and we are out of excuses - bad luck? sure, rule changes? yep... you name it, it contributed in part to the current situation but we are past the point of fixing - it's broken - fans are leaving, players are leaving, recruits are leaving, money flow is slowing... so change is necessary...
Personally I think the clean slate approach should get a lot of attention and consideration... we need change in a major way
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