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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 13, 2017 7:39:34 GMT -5
From the Syracuse Post-Standard: "It's difficult to defend a club that went 2-11 outside its building, suffered eight double-digit losses (including seven by 14 points or more) and was beaten by Boston College, Connecticut, Georgetown and St. John's (which otherwise staggered to a combined record of 49-77). Facts, then, are facts. And here is just one more: The Orange -- sliding for a while now with a 62-47 ramble across its last 109 contests -- put its fate in the hands of the ringside judges." (62-47 is only five games better than Georgetown did in its last 109.) www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2017/03/if_all_that_matters_is_ncaa_tournament_what_now_for_syracuse_basketball.html
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 13, 2017 10:14:02 GMT -5
(62-47 is only five games better than Georgetown did in its last 109.) Of course, four of those five extra wins got them to a final four last year, which does a lot to keep the overwhelming majority of "Fire JB!!!" chants at bay...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2017 14:02:35 GMT -5
Those sentiments are online today.
A small ray of sunshine in a dour off season.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 19, 2017 9:28:18 GMT -5
"Tears on my pillow...."
Couldn't happen to a more deserving university.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 19, 2017 9:38:11 GMT -5
"Tears on my pillow...." Couldn't happen to a more deserving university. Couldn't happen to a more deserving "correctional facility"..:
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 19, 2017 9:53:09 GMT -5
(62-47 is only five games better than Georgetown did in its last 109.) Of course, four of those five extra wins got them to a final four last year, which does a lot to keep the overwhelming majority of "Fire JB!!!" chants at bay... ACC! ACC! haha
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 19, 2017 10:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 19, 2017 11:52:59 GMT -5
Just perused a 'Cuse message board. Seems that they are assuming Boeheim is going nowhere for several years but talking about successors to Boeheim such as Jay Wright, Shaka Smart, Chris Mack, John Beilein (because his son will be coaching at Lemoyne and he can watch his son coach) and even Tom Crean! Seems pretty delusional to me, especially Wright. 1 pm news conference.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 19, 2017 12:11:22 GMT -5
Nice. Either Boeheim lied to this guy for years or he is cutting and running for greener pastures.
The cesspool that is Syracuse always has stink on it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 19, 2017 12:37:03 GMT -5
Hopkins is smart enough to realize that following Boeheim will be a no-win proposition - especially hamstrung with the probation recruiting losses that will take a couple of years to recover from. He is also aware of the fanbase criticism of a HOF coach who just last year reached the Final Four, and how short a leash they would give him.
Not so sure this will change Boeheim's time frame. Although after having him at home 24/7 during the suspension last year, Julie may have put her foot down and told him he is NEVER retiring.
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 19, 2017 12:40:21 GMT -5
Yes Yes, Cuse sucks and all that, but you still have to feel a little for Hopkins. How many opportunities did he turn down or not even explore enough to turn down over the years with JB stringing him along about taking over for the Orange. Will be interesting to see how much of the success the program was Hopkins and how much was Boeheim though over the next couple years...
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 19, 2017 23:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 19, 2017 23:33:58 GMT -5
After his next scandal, Boeheim will have to fake his own death, then return the next day with a store-bought goatee as his long, lost twin brother, Timmy Boeheim. Then he will sign an extension through 2026.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2017 9:13:27 GMT -5
Would be existential to see Magoo yelling at his own kid like he does anyone else who makes a mistake.
On the other hand - would his head explode when a ref makes a bad call on Little Magoo?
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 20, 2017 15:21:02 GMT -5
I actually think this is on balance a good thing for Cuse, and an awful hire for UW:
Scenario #1: Hopkins is terrible at UW. Bad hire for UW, but good for Cuse because they now know that Hopkins was not the right choice. Scenario #2: Hopkins does a good/great job at UW. Just as he is coming into his own at UW, Boeheim retires. Hopkins is immediately choice #1 for the opening, and in all likelihood takes it due to his ties there. UW left holding the bag and needing to rebuild again.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 20, 2017 15:51:11 GMT -5
I actually think this is on balance a good thing for Cuse, and an awful hire for UW: Scenario #1: Hopkins is terrible at UW. Bad hire for UW, but good for Cuse because they now know that Hopkins was not the right choice. Scenario #2: Hopkins does a good/great job at UW. Just as he is coming into his own at UW, Boeheim retires. Hopkins is immediately choice #1 for the opening, and in all likelihood takes it due to his ties there. UW left holding the bag and needing to rebuild again. General supposition on the syracusefan.com site is that Hopkins will not be returning to Syracuse. He reportedly told SU when he was under consideration for the Southern California head coaching position that if he were to leave, he would not come back. Although he has spent the better part of his adult life in CNY, he is a West Coast native, and it's hard to see a scenario where he leaves Seattle, a major city, for a return to eight months of gray skies and multi-foot snowfalls.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 20, 2017 16:01:22 GMT -5
I actually think this is on balance a good thing for Cuse, and an awful hire for UW: Scenario #1: Hopkins is terrible at UW. Bad hire for UW, but good for Cuse because they now know that Hopkins was not the right choice. Scenario #2: Hopkins does a good/great job at UW. Just as he is coming into his own at UW, Boeheim retires. Hopkins is immediately choice #1 for the opening, and in all likelihood takes it due to his ties there. UW left holding the bag and needing to rebuild again. General supposition on the syracusefan.com site is that Hopkins will not be returning to Syracuse. He reportedly told SU when he was under consideration for the Southern California head coaching position that if he were to leave, he would not come back. Although he has spent the better part of his adult life in CNY, he is a West Coast native, and it's hard to see a scenario where he leaves Seattle, a major city, for a return to eight months of gray skies and multi-foot snowfalls. Didn't know Hopkins made a comment like that, but regardless, if he is successful, Cuse will try to hire him and I'd think would have a pretty decent shot. Seattle may be on the west coast, but its not really much closer to his home in Southern California--it would be like someone in LA saying I'm moving to Maine to be closer to my family in Miami. And while Seattle is a cool city, its weather is downright awful. The joke in Seattle is that the rainy season starts in early September and ends in late August. If Hopkins decides not to come back, it would be because Boeheim/Cuse Editeded him off by making him "coach in waiting", telling him its almost his turn, and then extending Boeheim's tenure by another 5 years.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 20, 2017 16:12:14 GMT -5
General supposition on the syracusefan.com site is that Hopkins will not be returning to Syracuse. He reportedly told SU when he was under consideration for the Southern California head coaching position that if he were to leave, he would not come back. Although he has spent the better part of his adult life in CNY, he is a West Coast native, and it's hard to see a scenario where he leaves Seattle, a major city, for a return to eight months of gray skies and multi-foot snowfalls. Didn't know Hopkins made a comment like that, but regardless, if he is successful, Cuse will try to hire him and I'd think would have a pretty decent shot. Seattle may be on the west coast, but its not really much closer to his home in Southern California--it would be like someone in LA saying I'm moving to Maine to be closer to my family in Miami. And while Seattle is a cool city, its weather is downright awful. The joke in Seattle is that the rainy season starts in early September and ends in late August. If Hopkins decides not to come back, it would be because Boeheim/Cuse Editeded him off by making him "coach in waiting", telling him its almost his turn, and then extending Boeheim's tenure by another 5 years. Chicken or egg argument: Did Syracuse extend Boeheim's contract after learning that Hopkins was leaving for Washington, or did Hopkins leave after learning that Boeheim would be staying at Syracuse for another five years? According to SU's athletic director, the contract extension came after Hopkins advised that he was accepting the Huskies' offer, and that he wanted to get the best coach available (his words, not mine). I'm a bit more suspicious, and think Boeheim had no intention of leaving after the 2017-2018 season as previously agreed.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2017 16:15:46 GMT -5
I actually think this is on balance a good thing for Cuse, and an awful hire for UW: Scenario #1: Hopkins is terrible at UW. Bad hire for UW, but good for Cuse because they now know that Hopkins was not the right choice. Scenario #2: Hopkins does a good/great job at UW. Just as he is coming into his own at UW, Boeheim retires. Hopkins is immediately choice #1 for the opening, and in all likelihood takes it due to his ties there. UW left holding the bag and needing to rebuild again. Scenario #3: Septegenarian Magoo continues the downslide in recruiting and performance; finally leaves with program and his reputation in such tatters that neither Hopkins nor any other major college coach will even answer a call from the Syracuse AD. I am no good at links, but SU grad Pete Thamel wrote an uncomfortable column to the effect that in extending Magoo, Syracuse is starkly acknowledging that winning bball games and filling the Carrier Bubble is more important than academic integrity and playing by the rules.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 20, 2017 18:01:54 GMT -5
I actually think this is on balance a good thing for Cuse, and an awful hire for UW: Scenario #1: Hopkins is terrible at UW. Bad hire for UW, but good for Cuse because they now know that Hopkins was not the right choice. Scenario #2: Hopkins does a good/great job at UW. Just as he is coming into his own at UW, Boeheim retires. Hopkins is immediately choice #1 for the opening, and in all likelihood takes it due to his ties there. UW left holding the bag and needing to rebuild again. Scenario #3: Septegenarian Magoo continues the downslide in recruiting and performance; finally leaves with program and his reputation in such tatters that neither Hopkins nor any other major college coach will even answer a call from the Syracuse AD. I am no good at links, but SU grad Pete Thamel wrote an uncomfortable column to the effect that in extending Magoo, Syracuse is starkly acknowledging that winning bball games and filling the Carrier Bubble is more important than academic integrity and playing by the rules. There was a time when Cuse did otherwise?
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