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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Mar 9, 2017 19:51:53 GMT -5
I have many friends who are Marquette fans who are inconsolable after the Seton Hall loss. At least we have all been beaten into submission by this time of the season.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 9, 2017 21:22:27 GMT -5
Marquette still figures to get in, I would think. Not sure I see how this is worse than our situation.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 9, 2017 21:23:17 GMT -5
I would trade places with Marquette in a heartbeat.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 10, 2017 7:25:55 GMT -5
I would trade places with Marquette in a heartbeat. Another way to tell our fans have become unhinged: They argue that having Wojo as head coach would be OK.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 10, 2017 7:35:03 GMT -5
I never said that I want Wojo as coach, I meant I'd like to be in Marquette's shoes as an likely tourney team. Having said that, Wojo has Marquette going in the right direction and JT3 has us in the gutter.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 10, 2017 7:51:57 GMT -5
Wojo has passion and it rubs off on his players. Our coach has no pulse, so our players reflect that on the court. We don't rebound, defend or grab loose balls. Pops had it and we did all of those things damn well.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 10, 2017 10:09:35 GMT -5
I still have faith that things will turn around.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -5
I still have faith that things will turn around. When my son was sick, someone told me "Faith is not believing God can, it is knowing that God will." When it comes to JT III turning this around, at best, I have hope. Faith, not so much.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 10, 2017 10:33:52 GMT -5
You don't have to like Wojo to recognize that Marquette is currently on a better trajectory than we are. They have improved in each of Wojo's three seasons and are on track to either squeak into the NCAAs or be just out this year. He has also recruited pretty well to Milwaukee and, as others have pointed out, his teams play with energy and passion.
Wojo is also a pretty shining example of how you can have a "good" coaching search outcome without just immediately having some sort of spectacular result. He was hired and struggled in his first season but has been competitive in the last two. For those who focus on risk, Wojo's run is an example that a team can move on successfully.
For what it's worth, I also think that even with our faults, Georgetown is a far better job than the Marquette job. This doesn't mean we should make a change based on what Marquette is doing. For example, I don't see yet that Wojo is going to build them into a BE championship contender year in and year out like many fans want for us. But I would take their season over ours for sure.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2017 10:48:06 GMT -5
You don't have to like Wojo to recognize that Marquette is currently on a better trajectory than we are. They have improved in each of Wojo's three seasons and are on track to either squeak into the NCAAs or be just out this year. He has also recruited pretty well to Milwaukee and, as others have pointed out, his teams play with energy and passion. Wojo is also a pretty shining example of how you can have a "good" coaching search outcome without just immediately having some sort of spectacular result. He was hired and struggled in his first season but has been competitive in the last two. For those who focus on risk, Wojo's run is an example that a team can move on successfully. For what it's worth, I also think that even with our faults, Georgetown is a far better job than the Marquette job. This doesn't mean we should make a change based on what Marquette is doing. For example, I don't see yet that Wojo is going to build them into a BE championship contender year in and year out like many fans want for us. But I would take their season over ours for sure. I think there's a lot to be said for hiring a current head coach, rather than an assistant, unless you are a coaching factory like Butler, VCU or Xavier (and those assistants have the advantage of stepping into a successful program that they are already a big part of). The problem with hiring assistants is that they need time to learn how to run the program and it's really hard to evaluate what's them and what's their boss. I know Wisconsin's head coach was never a head coach anywhere else, although he also had the advantage of taking over a program that was already built and that he was a big part of building. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of a successful power conference coach that wasn't a head coach somewhere else first and wasn't an internal hire. Wojo might be the best example at the moment.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 10, 2017 10:51:09 GMT -5
SPAM POST!
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 10, 2017 10:57:49 GMT -5
You don't have to like Wojo to recognize that Marquette is currently on a better trajectory than we are. They have improved in each of Wojo's three seasons and are on track to either squeak into the NCAAs or be just out this year. He has also recruited pretty well to Milwaukee and, as others have pointed out, his teams play with energy and passion. Wojo is also a pretty shining example of how you can have a "good" coaching search outcome without just immediately having some sort of spectacular result. He was hired and struggled in his first season but has been competitive in the last two. For those who focus on risk, Wojo's run is an example that a team can move on successfully. For what it's worth, I also think that even with our faults, Georgetown is a far better job than the Marquette job. This doesn't mean we should make a change based on what Marquette is doing. For example, I don't see yet that Wojo is going to build them into a BE championship contender year in and year out like many fans want for us. But I would take their season over ours for sure. I think there's a lot to be said for hiring a current head coach, rather than an assistant, unless you are a coaching factory like Butler, VCU or Xavier (and those assistants have the advantage of stepping into a successful program that they are already a big part of). The problem with hiring assistants is that they need time to learn how to run the program and it's really hard to evaluate what's them and what's their boss. I know Wisconsin's head coach was never a head coach anywhere else, although he also had the advantage of taking over a program that was already built and that he was a big part of building. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of a successful power conference coach that wasn't a head coach somewhere else first and wasn't an internal hire. Wojo might be the best example at the moment. Ironically, Chris Collins, another Duke assistant, also comes to mind. He did have two losing seasons to start but is now slated to make the NCAAs in his fourth year. And he had a really tough road at Northwestern, More generally, though, I agree with your broader point re: the value of head coaching experience.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 10, 2017 11:11:28 GMT -5
Two points. If Marquette is going in the right direction why were they the last team we beat this year? And we beat them very easily in what was definitely our best game. Second, I really think our next coach should be a hungry assistant who studied under one of the greats. Regardless of what we think of these greats they know how to coach and their assistants have to have picked something up. I would love to see a Louisville, W. Virginia, Carolina or Duke coach take over at GU. Regardless of wins or losses, gotta be a lot more enjoyable to watch.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 10, 2017 11:16:50 GMT -5
Your post made me reflect on another aspect of GU BB that bothers me just as much as losing .... it's just not entertaining. Of course both go hand-in-hand but I for one want to see a different offense instituted.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 10, 2017 12:13:01 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread but the hardest part about all of this for me is that we had decent expectations and have failed to meet them. That has made these seasons way more disappointing. If we are expected to stink, like we may next year, it wont be as hard to swallow.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 10, 2017 12:27:42 GMT -5
Wojo has passion and it rubs off on his players. Our coach has no pulse, so our players reflect that on the court. We don't rebound, defend or grab loose balls. Pops had it and we did all of those things damn well. There is absolutely no basis for that statement. You don't like that he remains calm. end of story
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 10, 2017 12:41:01 GMT -5
I still have faith that things will turn around. My faith is faltering.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 10, 2017 12:43:19 GMT -5
I still have faith that things will turn around. I totally respect your opinion and I'm rooting like heck for him to turn it around. My question is after a 69-62 record the last 4 years, how long would you give him to turn it around if you were making the decision? I'm not arguing your position, just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 17:11:48 GMT -5
Two points. If Marquette is going in the right direction why were they the last team we beat this year? And we beat them very easily in what was definitely our best game. Sample size of one? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 10, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
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