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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2017 11:23:30 GMT -5
Crean fired.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 16, 2017 11:26:37 GMT -5
Well that is a big domino to fall.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2017 11:38:58 GMT -5
Well, there's one job that would certainly be above ours as a commodity for candidates.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 16, 2017 11:44:13 GMT -5
Wow. That makes jt3's deal look like a bargain. He's only made the NCAA tournament twice and lost as a 4 to a 13. It was my attempt at sarcasm and being humorous....
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 16, 2017 11:45:03 GMT -5
3 sweet 16's in 9 seasons...they were able to move on.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2017 11:48:33 GMT -5
3 sweet 16's in 9 seasons...they were able to move on. Not that I'm expecting this, but it would be funny if they went to Marquette yet again and poached Wojo this time.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 16, 2017 11:50:55 GMT -5
Imo this is an idiotic firing. They lost multiple NBA level players to injuries this season and still made the NIT! Read the press release 2 outright BIG 10 regular season Championships in 5 years and was just in the sweet 16. He has molded and adapted his program to the rules and a more uptempo style during his time in Bloomington. By firing Crean they are saying that's not acceptable. As a coach who's thinking of replacing him, I would think they would be extremely hesitant. Indiana may think they are still in the UNC, Duke, Kansas hemisphere but reality is they aren't and haven't been in a longtime. If you want to fire Crean for some of the off court stuff, that's fine.
Crean will be unemployed 5 minutes if he chooses. Wouldn't be surprised if California Berkley has already reached out.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 16, 2017 11:55:18 GMT -5
Agreed its a silly fire but you don't know IU basketball. All of those fans look south and see more in-state talent and don't see why Kentucky is on a different level. Tough job and I wouldn't want it in a million years. People talk about JTIII but the Boobie Knight shadow still looms large.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 16, 2017 12:13:48 GMT -5
Just a fleeting thought...if the direction is to retain/extend JT3, then retaining ALL of our players AND making a concerted effort to "win back" Tremont becomes an immediate and extremely high priority...how could this be accomplished?...hire Allen Iverson as essentially a "guard" coach to mentor players on BOTH ends to prepare them for the next level (remember, he was BE Defensive player of the year and All-BE defensive team both years he was here, and is in the HOF)...He came out in support of JT3 at the BE tourney...Tremont has said in the past that he essentially patterns his game after and has great respect for AI...Also, JT3's struggle to lock down top guards the last several years, though close on many, would likely turn from a disadvantage to a major advantage in the recruitment of guards, which I think most would agree has been our major problem...would AI take the job? I don't know, but I do know that he feels a great debt of gratitude to Big John, and if asked and paid significantly, he might...I'd give it a shot...what would his formal title/role be? not sure, but we ought to be able to figure out something if it could save our program moving forward.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 16, 2017 12:31:31 GMT -5
Practice? You talking about practice?! I love AI the competitor and player but not certain AI has the qualities needed to be a coach Talented and gifted players don't often make great coaches. As far as I know he's never coached before and has not shown any interest in doing so. Smacks of desperation and a big gamble.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 16, 2017 12:33:47 GMT -5
I think AI is also signed up with that old timer half court league.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 16, 2017 12:34:41 GMT -5
He would need a college degree, too, right?
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Post by deacon on Mar 16, 2017 12:38:05 GMT -5
Indiana has the same expectation as every other blue-blood: National Championship.
Not winning 20 games, the regular season title, the conference tournament title or making it to the Final Four.
It's titles. He didn't deliver, so ...
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 16, 2017 12:40:36 GMT -5
Also if they waited until July 1, that buyout would have dropped to $1M. Seems a big indicator this is an important time of the year to be in the market.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2017 12:40:57 GMT -5
Agreed its a silly fire but you don't know IU basketball. All of those fans look south and see more in-state talent and don't see why Kentucky is on a different level. Tough job and I wouldn't want it in a million years. People talk about JTIII but the Boobie Knight shadow still looms large. Absolutely correct about the specter of Bobby Knight hanging over the Indiana program. In any event, losing seven of the last ten conference games probably sealed Crean's fate. He may make sense for Illinois.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 16, 2017 12:52:13 GMT -5
Agreed its a silly fire but you don't know IU basketball. All of those fans look south and see more in-state talent and don't see why Kentucky is on a different level. Tough job and I wouldn't want it in a million years. People talk about JTIII but the Boobie Knight shadow still looms large. Absolutely correct about the specter of Bobby Knight hanging over the Indiana program. In any event, losing seven of the last ten conference games probably sealed Crean's fate. He may make sense for Illinois. Alford wants the job badly, but this may be the time Gregg Marshall finally leaves the Shockers.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2017 13:03:18 GMT -5
Indiana has the same expectation as every other blue-blood: National Championship. Not winning 20 games, the regular season title, the conference tournament title or making it to the Final Four. It's titles. He didn't deliver, so ... Winning national titles is tough bar for expectations and really not that reasonable. Among active coaches, the only ones with 2 or more championships are Coach K (5), Pitino (2), and Roy Williams (2) (I know he's in the NBA now, but Billy Donovan also had 2). Among active coaches, those with 5 or more Final Fours are: Coach K (12), Roy Williams (8), Izzo (7), Pitino (7), Calipari (6*), Boeheim (5), and most of those guys have been coaching for decades. It's definitely fair to aspire to national titles, but expecting them unless you're one of the select few who gets a super Hall of Fame coach, seems unreasonable. * Depends on whether you include vacated ones.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 16, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -5
Well, there's one job that would certainly be above ours as a commodity for candidates. I agree on most levels that Indiana would be considered a better job than Georgetown. It is "basketball school", in a power 5 conference, rich tradition and the willingness and ability to pay at the top of the coaching market for the right person. On the other hand the pressure with the Indiana job to win, to win every year and to win right away is enormous. They would most likely also be looking at different candidates. They are going to want a big name established coach from a big program, where I think the Hoyas might look at some up and coming mid major coaches, if they seems to be the right fit. While they might compete for some of the same candidates, and the Hoyas might lose out to Indiana in those cases, I think there would still be plenty of good coaches who would pursue the Hoya job
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Post by sleepy on Mar 16, 2017 14:19:22 GMT -5
Well, there's one job that would certainly be above ours as a commodity for candidates. I agree on most levels that Indiana would be considered a better job than Georgetown. It is "basketball school", in a power 5 conference, rich tradition and the willingness and ability to pay at the top of the coaching market for the right person. On the other hand the pressure with the Indiana job to win, to win every year and to win right away is enormous. They would most likely also be looking at different candidates. They are going to want a big name established coach from a big program, where I think the Hoyas might look at some up and coming mid major coaches, if they seems to be the right fit. While they might compete for some of the same candidates, and the Hoyas might lose out to Indiana in those cases, I think there would still be plenty of good coaches who would pursue the Hoya job Like who, They weren't exactly beating the doors down 13 years ago. Keatts and Hurley aren't exiciting me and I think we will need a very special personality to take on the extra challenges that the Thompson name will surely leave to the next coach.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 16, 2017 14:53:41 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the GU job is neither a bad nor an elite one, and that it takes a very unique person to hold that position. Most of the candidates whose names are out there really are not qualified for this job.
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