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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 23, 2017 1:10:34 GMT -5
Get the Edited out of here about Crean. Anyone that watched him at Marquette knew what would happen at IU. It happened and now here it is again.
If anyone is rooting for Crean, I am entirely convinced they do not watch games and only pay attention to recruit rankings and ESPN commentary.
As far as the original post: Simms would definitely be an addition to next years team. I'd worry about the number of players with 3/4 skills but I personally think some of those current guys could handle the 5 position in the current offense.
Not sure why this thread isn't in the recruiting area anyway...if this were originally a discussion about possible HC replacements it would make sense here, but alas, it's not.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 23, 2017 1:14:25 GMT -5
Assuming a coaching change is made, whether this season or next. . .we're not bringing in a savior, whether it's King Rice from Monmouth or another "flavor-of-the-week." This roster will require a reboot. Question: How long are you willing to wait for dramatic results? Two seasons? Three seasons? What happens if the next Hoya coach treads water, with Big East records ranging from 5-11 to 10-8, and overall seasonal records never exceeding 16 or 17 wins? Do we then tear it down again after three or four seasons without NCAA success, and start over? Is that the type of program that we want to have? I'm not saying that a change isn't required, or even that it shouldn't be made. It's just that I believe that those expectations that we collectively had six seasons ago may be unrealistic going forward. Quoted for truth but I do believe that any CBB coach deserves at least 6 years (a recruiting class and a half) to prove they can win; if they win early, then they deserve just as much time to prove they can rebound. |
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 10:10:52 GMT -5
National champion coach was hired from Hofstra. Young and hungry is better than a retread I wouldn't call Crean a retread. Crean has three more NCAA wins than JT3. He has never won a conference tournament. He's missed the tournament twice in the past four years. He's not a horrible coach, but I think after nine years at Indiana it's pretty clear what Crean's upside is. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 23, 2017 10:40:31 GMT -5
I would vomit in my mouth if Crean or Lappas were in the discussion. Go get an up & comer. Make him prove it. Holtman is that type of guy. Maybe the new assistant from ND who is on our bench is that guy. I would prefer that type of hire with someone bringing in a fresh perspective. Move JTIII to an emeritus type role so he can bow out gracefully.
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Post by boxout05 on Feb 23, 2017 10:49:40 GMT -5
Wonder how much pressure Thad Matta is facing. (btw, can you believe he's younger than JTIII?)
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 23, 2017 13:11:20 GMT -5
I would vomit in my mouth if Crean or Lappas were in the discussion. Go get an up & comer. Make him prove it. Holtman is that type of guy. Maybe the new assistant from ND who is on our bench is that guy. I would prefer that type of hire with someone bringing in a fresh perspective. Move JTIII to an emeritus type role so he can bow out gracefully. Will Solomon (former ND coach referenced) is a retread...failed pretty badly during his stint as head coach at St. Bonaventure. I think we could do a lot worse than Crean. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 24, 2017 15:27:03 GMT -5
I would vomit in my mouth if Crean or Lappas were in the discussion. Go get an up & comer. Make him prove it. Holtman is that type of guy. Maybe the new assistant from ND who is on our bench is that guy. I would prefer that type of hire with someone bringing in a fresh perspective. Move JTIII to an emeritus type role so he can bow out gracefully. Will Solomon (former ND coach referenced) is a retread...failed pretty badly during his stint as head coach at St. Bonaventure. I think we could do a lot worse than Crean. Didn't realize he already had a head gig. Maybe dif't circumstances. I just can't take Crean pacing up and down the sidelines. He would get recruits though. He hasn't been very efficient in his recruiting at IU as he has spent a ton of money chasing every player. There are better less expensive options then Crean. I also referred to Holtman as an example of a good hire, I wasn't saying we could (or should) get him. Someone floated that in a prior post. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 24, 2017 22:04:32 GMT -5
I will be very surprised if the Creepster gets fired this year. NI about Brownell.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 25, 2017 3:36:38 GMT -5
Wonder how much pressure Thad Matta is facing. (btw, can you believe he's younger than JTIII?) Wow...Thad Matta has aged horribly. Looking at him I thought he was in his 50's already, but I don't feel sorry for him Matta could have still been coaching comfortably at Butler or Xavier but left both schools for more money I imagine now that Shaka Smart at Texas has to soon be feeling the heat from the Longhorns if next year is like this year |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 25, 2017 23:49:04 GMT -5
I imagine now that Shaka Smart at Texas has to soon be feeling the heat from the Longhorns if next year is like this year A great illustration that even if you hire one of the hottest coaches out there, success is no sure thing. |
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Feb 26, 2017 18:32:50 GMT -5
I imagine now that Shaka Smart at Texas has to soon be feeling the heat from the Longhorns if next year is like this year A great illustration that even if you hire one of the hottest coaches out there, success is no sure thing. this comment would be valid if the premise was accurate. Shaka smart is not feeling heat, at least in terms of job security, right now or next year. |
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Post by richfame on Feb 26, 2017 19:53:34 GMT -5
You are way off base here with this one way. I'm surprised as you always seem to take a fair approach. Crean would be a godsend for this program. We are now talking about bringing in someone from Monmouth as the savior. National champion coach was hired from Hofstra. Young and hungry is better than a retread We need to lure Jay Wright here. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2017 23:51:20 GMT -5
A great illustration that even if you hire one of the hottest coaches out there, success is no sure thing. this comment would be valid if the premise was accurate. Shaka smart is not feeling heat, at least in terms of job security, right now or next year. It's fact that Shaka Smart is having a horrible season. You can dismiss it all you want, but I promise you that if he has another year or two like this the Texas fans are going to be calling for his head. That said, I never said he won't turn it around - he might, but he might not. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2017 23:51:45 GMT -5
National champion coach was hired from Hofstra. Young and hungry is better than a retread We need to lure Jay Wright here. I assume this is sarcastic. If not, then it makes no sense. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 27, 2017 8:29:08 GMT -5
It's fact that Shaka Smart is having a horrible season. You can dismiss it all you want, but I promise you that if he has another year or two like this the Texas fans are going to be calling for his head. That said, I never said he won't turn it around - he might, but he might not. Texas fans aren't a patient lot: ask Charlie Strong. An 0-13 record on the road and home attendance at 62% of capacity isn't a recipe for anyone's job security in Austin. www.hookem.com/columns/golden-texas-lost-season-rests-shaka-smarts-door/ |
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Feb 27, 2017 9:08:21 GMT -5
It's fact that Shaka Smart is having a horrible season. You can dismiss it all you want, but I promise you that if he has another year or two like this the Texas fans are going to be calling for his head. That said, I never said he won't turn it around - he might, but he might not. Texas fans aren't a patient lot: ask Charlie Strong. An 0-13 record on the road and home attendance at 62% of capacity isn't a recipe for anyone's job security in Austin. www.hookem.com/columns/golden-texas-lost-season-rests-shaka-smarts-door/While I do agree Texas fans aren't known for patience, Texas football and Texas basketball cannot and should not be compared... |
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 27, 2017 9:15:33 GMT -5
While I do agree Texas fans aren't known for patience, Texas football and Texas basketball cannot and should not be compared… I completely agree. Basketball has always been, and always will be, the poor child in that universities sports program. I thought Shaka would do a good job there and having seen a few games this season it looks like he has them playing hard and buying into his system/program, but they just need a few more players to show consistent success. Those fans are not patient and if he struggles again next year they will run him out of town. If he gets let go there after next year, and the Hoyas ever decide to move on from JTIII, I would look really hard at Shaka as a replacement. I love the ways his teams play and he has had some good success recruiting in the Mid Atlantic. |
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Feb 27, 2017 9:21:39 GMT -5
While I do agree Texas fans aren't known for patience, Texas football and Texas basketball cannot and should not be compared… I completely agree. Basketball has always been, and always will be, the poor child in that universities sports program. I thought Shaka would do a good job there and having seen a few games this season it looks like he has them playing hard and buying into his system/program, but they just need a few more players to show consistent success. Those fans are not patient and if he struggles again next year they will run him out of town. If he gets let go there after next year, and the Hoyas ever decide to move on from JTIII, I would look really hard at Shaka as a replacement. I love the ways his teams play and he has had some good success recruiting in the Mid Atlantic. I think even if he got fired next year (which I do not see happening fwiw), his next gig would still come a at a very high price point. If we were looking at a buyout + Shaka contract, it may be tough to make those #s work. The guy is struggling at Texas, yes, but there would be a feeding frenzy were he to hit the market again. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 27, 2017 9:27:58 GMT -5
While I do agree Texas fans aren't known for patience, Texas football and Texas basketball cannot and should not be compared… I completely agree. Basketball has always been, and always will be, the poor child in that universities sports program. Poor? Tom Herman is getting paid $5 million, Shaka at $3 million and climbing. He'll be somewhere close to $4M when all is said and done. In two years, Smart is 30-32 and Texas will miss the post season for the first time since 1998, when a 14-17 record got Tom Penders fired. It's hard to see the Horns (10-19) even reach 14 wins at this point. UT isn't happy about paying Smart for an early exit when Rick Barnes had 17 NCAA appearances in 18 years. |
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 27, 2017 10:24:25 GMT -5
I completely agree. Basketball has always been, and always will be, the poor child in that universities sports program. Poor? Tom Herman is getting paid $5 million, Shaka at $3 million and climbing. He'll be somewhere close to $4M when all is said and done. In two years, Smart is 30-32 and Texas will miss the post season for the first time since 1998, when a 14-17 record got Tom Penders fired. It's hard to see the Horns (10-19) even reach 14 wins at this point. UT isn't happy about paying Smart for an early exit when Rick Barnes had 17 NCAA appearances in 18 years. Poor might not be the correct word. Basketball has never had the same profile within the school as football. Texas is a football program. They did pay Shaka a lot of money to come into the program and make it nationally relevant and I am sure they are not happy with the results. |
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