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Feb 8, 2019 11:08:39 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2019 11:08:39 GMT -5
I knew this guy would be a bust in the NBA. Classic tweener like Evan Turner. A big guard who isn't a true point guard. Danny Ainge swindled the 76ers. Jason Tatum and a #1 pick for Markelle Fultz.
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Feb 8, 2019 11:32:06 GMT -5
Post by hoya9797 on Feb 8, 2019 11:32:06 GMT -5
Did you know that he would get hurt and then get the shooting yips?
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Feb 8, 2019 11:33:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 11:33:48 GMT -5
I think that's unfair because we have yet to see the best Markelle Fultz.. We may never see it, but coming out of College he was the best prospect in his class.
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Feb 8, 2019 12:14:02 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2019 12:14:02 GMT -5
Did you know that he would get hurt and then get the shooting yips? Getting hurt seems like an excuse for his bad play. The shooting yips I could see because he seemed like a highly overrated tweener in college.
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Feb 8, 2019 12:16:28 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2019 12:16:28 GMT -5
The 76ers wouldn't have given up on him if they thought he could play anywhere close to the #1 overall pick. They spent a fortune to get him (Jason Tatum and a #1) and decided it was better to get something for him before he loses all value (a la injured John Wall).
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Feb 8, 2019 13:35:14 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Feb 8, 2019 13:35:14 GMT -5
In an alternate universe he actually has a pretty good NBA career by staying in school four years.
In that same universe Simmons becomes the best point guard of all time by staying in school until he developed a jumpshot.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 8, 2019 16:03:00 GMT -5
Who remembers that Jonny Flynn was 6th pick overall (a total bust) and drafted ahead of Steph Curry.
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Feb 8, 2019 17:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2019 17:06:01 GMT -5
Who remembers that Jonny Flynn was 6th pick overall (a total bust) and drafted ahead of Steph Curry. T wolves had two chances to draft Steph Curry. Instead David khan drafted Rick Rubio, Johnny Flynn and Ty Lawson in the same draft.
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Feb 8, 2019 20:09:28 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Feb 8, 2019 20:09:28 GMT -5
In an alternate universe he actually has a pretty good NBA career by staying in school four years. In that same universe Simmons becomes the best point guard of all time by staying in school until he developed a jumpshot. I don't quite buy this re Ben Simmons. There's no reason he can't develop a jump shot in the NBA. Do you know who else couldn't shoot when he came into the NBA? A fellow named Earvin Johnson. In fact, I wanted the Lakers to take Sidney Moncrief with the number 1 pick that year, because the Lakers already had Norm Nixon, and I figured what did they need with a big, slow point guard who can't shoot? But Magic worked on it and worked on it, and became a damn good shooter (even if it was more of a set shot than a jump shot). For what it's worth, I also realized I was wrong about Magic when I attended an exhibition game his rookie season, even if he couldn't shoot.
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Mar 2, 2019 8:00:12 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Mar 2, 2019 8:00:12 GMT -5
Magic played in an era in which having a jumpshot to keep defenses honest was not as important as it is in today's spread-the-court NBA. He could get away with it far more in his first few seasons than Simmons, but at the same time he also made more jumpshots in his early seasons than Simmons has.
Yes, Simmons can improve his jumpshot while in the NBA but making such noticeable strides in a weak area is not as common as it should be for players who make the league. Most importantly why should fans be supporting a half-finished at best prospect instead of a more complete player who is lacking in experience rather than basic skills such as a ten-foot jumper? Simmons can't even make shots when left opened, he's too afraid to try. Which is why in a more perfect world he would have stayed in school longer to address such weaknesses rather than take advantage of a system that rewards impatience and potential over time and development.
But it's not as if I'm saying he is a bust. He is obviously a potentially great player. But he could have challenged for the best that ever played his position if he stayed in school and worked on that particular deficiency.
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Mar 4, 2019 18:34:23 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Mar 4, 2019 18:34:23 GMT -5
Magic played in an era in which having a jumpshot to keep defenses honest was not as important as it is in today's spread-the-court NBA. He could get away with it far more in his first few seasons than Simmons, but at the same time he also made more jumpshots in his early seasons than Simmons has. Yes, Simmons can improve his jumpshot while in the NBA but making such noticeable strides in a weak area is not as common as it should be for players who make the league. Most importantly why should fans be supporting a half-finished at best prospect instead of a more complete player who is lacking in experience rather than basic skills such as a ten-foot jumper? Simmons can't even make shots when left opened, he's too afraid to try. Which is why in a more perfect world he would have stayed in school longer to address such weaknesses rather than take advantage of a system that rewards impatience and potential over time and development. But it's not as if I'm saying he is a bust. He is obviously a potentially great player. But he could have challenged for the best that ever played his position if he stayed in school and worked on that particular deficiency. I don't disagree with any of this. My point is that if Simmons really wants to be great, he'll work on it, and not just settle for being a really good player without a jump shot. He's certainly young enough where he can still do it. And let's fact it, staying in school for another year + would have probably benefited about 90% of the players currently in the league who came out before their junior season.
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