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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 8, 2017 19:11:48 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on next season's football schedule? The first three games are must wins if they want to get to the 6 win season. I don't know anything about Campbell, only that they are a Pioneer League opponent. Columbia continues to improve under Bagnoli. Marist has a good QB in White. Harvard, Princeton are always very tough games. That leaves the Patriot League, who's the front runner? Opinions?
2017 SCHEDULE
09/09: at Campbell
09/16: MARIST
09/23: at Columbia
09/30: HARVARD
10/07: at Princeton
10/14: at Lehigh
10/21: FORDHAM
10/28: at Holy Cross
11/04: LAFAYETTE
11/11: at Bucknell
11/18: COLGATE
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 9, 2017 9:17:49 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on next season's football schedule? The first three games are must wins if they want to get to the 6 win season. I don't know anything about Campbell, only that they are a Pioneer League opponent. Columbia continues to improve under Bagnoli. Marist has a good QB in White. Harvard, Princeton are always very tough games. That leaves the Patriot League, who's the front runner? Opinions? I know the staff is doing its best, but the home schedule is not very inspiring and adding Campbell to the schedule doesn't drive much if any interest. A show of hands for those who have traveled through Buies Creek, North Carolina? ... ... ... I thought so. PL-wise, some early picks: 1. Lehigh: New coordinators, but still favored 2. Colgate: Close behind the Engineers 3. Fordham: One more year for Chase Edmonds; after that, questions 4. Bucknell: Always underrated 5. Holy Cross: It may be up or out for Tom Gilmore in Pujals' fifth year 6. Lafayette: Rebuilding 7. Georgetown: The talent gap that no one wants to talk about isn't going away |
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 9, 2017 10:31:46 GMT -5
I think Harvard coming in on September 30 should attract some interest. I was told last time Harvard came to the Hilltop, it was hard to get a ticket. I'm sure the Crimson will bring a good crowd.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 10, 2017 21:06:15 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on next season's football schedule? The first three games are must wins if they want to get to the 6 win season. I don't know anything about Campbell, only that they are a Pioneer League opponent. Columbia continues to improve under Bagnoli. Marist has a good QB in White. Harvard, Princeton are always very tough games. That leaves the Patriot League, who's the front runner? Opinions? I know the staff is doing its best, but the home schedule is not very inspiring and adding Campbell to the schedule doesn't drive much if any interest. A show of hands for those who have traveled through Buies Creek, North Carolina? ... ... ... I thought so. PL-wise, some early picks: 1. Lehigh: New coordinators, but still favored 2. Colgate: Close behind the Engineers 3. Fordham: One more year for Chase Edmonds; after that, questions 4. Bucknell: Always underrated 5. Holy Cross: It may be up or out for Tom Gilmore in Pujals' fifth year 6. Lafayette: Rebuilding 7. Georgetown: The talent gap that no one wants to talk about isn't going away How could there be so many Patriot League football programs looking to move out head coaches but our basketball program wouldn't care about any success to keep a coach forever? |
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Post by This Just In on Feb 11, 2017 10:34:13 GMT -5
I know the staff is doing its best, but the home schedule is not very inspiring and adding Campbell to the schedule doesn't drive much if any interest. A show of hands for those who have traveled through Buies Creek, North Carolina? ... ... ... I thought so. PL-wise, some early picks: 1. Lehigh: New coordinators, but still favored 2. Colgate: Close behind the Engineers 3. Fordham: One more year for Chase Edmonds; after that, questions 4. Bucknell: Always underrated 5. Holy Cross: It may be up or out for Tom Gilmore in Pujals' fifth year 6. Lafayette: Rebuilding 7. Georgetown: The talent gap that no one wants to talk about isn't going away How could there be so many Patriot League football programs looking to move out head coaches but our basketball program wouldn't care about any success to keep a coach forever? Regardless of what anyone says, going 3 out of 4 years of not making the NCAA's in the NBE has to mount some level of pressure after this season. Just hope that the team does not make a Pitt hiring change by going from Jamie Dixon (mediocre) to Gene Stallings (sub par). |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 11, 2017 13:52:00 GMT -5
Thanks for hijacking this thread, guys. I was afraid there might be one thread on this site that did not criticize the basketball coaching staff. I really appreciate your allaying that concern.
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 11, 2017 17:30:56 GMT -5
In the Patriot League, I say we can beat Fordham (should have beat them last year at their place), Bucknell, and Lafayette. Didn't know Pujals was back at QB for HC, he's impressive, that will be a tough one to win. I know I'm an optimist, but I think we can win 6 games next year, throw in a huge upset and we have seven. Do I hear any "Amens" to that?
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Post by eb59 on Feb 12, 2017 0:51:01 GMT -5
Davidson is a quite honestly a better win than a Campbell win regardless of who is actually better, its a battle of the worst of the worst in the PFL, but at least some poor saps that really follow mediordce BB at least of heard of Davidson....(side bar are they better than GU over the pst 10 years???) WTF, If a team like Austin Peay plays Univ of Wisconsin - can we maybe aspire just a bit higher than a never ever been heard of college .... like maybe try to schedule / compete with a Editedty I-A like a Con USA team or a CAA team or another Ivy team as opposed to playing somebody nobody in the world has heard of let alone gives the smallest $hitt about; for real Georgetown University vs Campbell College - lets just schedule Galudette to ensure the win cause its a lot cheeper travel and brings the exact same win/lose embarassment!!!!! That is honestly a un-heard of school / team, are they FCS? $hit, it just gets worse and worse conmpaired to our Conference Peers...this is a slap in the face! We have conference teams moving up to play Army, Navy, BC, Etc and we are moving DOWN!!!!!! This is a joke..... love it we lost the only small brand somewhat name team purely b/c of BB in Davidson to a school I'm almost certain almost 0% of the Gtown student body or the rest of the US student body have ever heard of in a Cambell College!!!! How many GU applicants maybe considered Campbell as a back up - my guess is 0%!!!!! This is a recruiting and reputation killer - thanks FB Leadership, its as always 0 steps forward and a bunch backward, I'm beginning to think we just like moving backwards in every aspect of the sport on the field and off! Ok, back to the Stadium - hows that coming cause we now are playing the St Pete's of the I-AA to fill a win - so inspiring - cant wait to give to the $50k Challenge and get our sss kicked by Crew....wonder why / how that happens?  ?? |
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 12, 2017 9:44:02 GMT -5
eb59, I have to disagree with you. I know Campbell is an "unheard of" in college football. But you have to look at where the program is right now. I have only started watching GU football the last couple years. They appear to be a mediocre team at best right now. Why play some FBS program or top FCS program and get mauled, interest in the program or big money payoff? That's not what is needed right now. Wins and establishing some consistency is. I live in Florida near Florida Atlantic Univ. Several years ago they opened with Auburn then Alabama. Huge money payoffs, yes. Help the program, no. They have their 3rd head coach in about 7 years and floundering. The Hoyas need to consistently get over the .500 mark before venturing out to play top contenders. Their hands are tied, no football scholarships. I think if they can get to the 6 win season over the next 2-3 years, it will develop some momentum in spirit and recruiting. Right now they are playing the two best teams in the Ivy plus a competitive Patriot League schedule, and Columbia ain't that bad. Even Alabama plays some very weak OOC opponents. I like Coach Sgarlata's enthusiasm and drive. He's the right man in the right place, but he needs help. Please start making some progress on the new stadium (I hear construction in DC area is slow due to permits, etc.)! Plus he needs some help on the offensive side of the ball, creativity and better skilled position play. Defense one of the best in the Patriot League. I have heard it said, "faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see". I believe in this present program, Go Hoyas!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 12, 2017 20:00:57 GMT -5
I think there are some issues at play with a schedule like this:
1. Georgetown is in a competitive impasse with the rest of the Patriot League so no wins can be guaranteed in league anymore. As such, it needs the Marists and the Campbells of the world to avoid the corrosive effects of a washout season. Georgetown will tolerate 2-9 seasons. It won't tolerate 0-11.
2. As Harvard is to Georgetown (a "scheduling up" game where the Hoyas are 17-20 points underdogs at the start), so too is Georgetown to Davidson, and Davidson has cut ties with Georgetown before to get an easy win. The Davidson program is such an uphill climb that they haven't defeated a Div. I out-of-conference opponent in 12 years and rely on Division II and III schools to gets wins. Last season's Davidson team was 2-9 with wins over Kentucky Wesleyan and Livingstone College.
3. Campbell may be a no-name, but they are going full scholarship with the Big South after this season. It's possible Campbell doesn't return a home game next year, which is a problem for Georgetown, which wants home and away games and not one-offs. There are just 10 nonscholarship teams left north of Florida (Ivy, Marist, Davidson), and there's a dwindling number willing to play in DC--Yale did not renew its series after 2012, Harvard and Princeton are rolling off after this year, and Penn seems uninterested in a series. Scholarship teams are more interested in getting a big-time opponent than playing at MSF, and who can blame them? The problem is that the star power of those that are left is a dwindling number.
So here's some upcoming out of conference opponents in the Patriot League (I-A opponents in bold). See if you can spot the outlier. Ask if recruits can, too.
Colgate: Army, Buffalo, Cal Poly, Furman, Richmond, New Hampshire, William and Mary.
Fordham: Army, Ball State, Charlotte, Eastern Washington, Bryant, Richmond, Stony Brook, Central Connecticut
Holy Cross: Boston College, Syracuse, Connecticut, Navy, New Hampshire, Dartmouth, Monmouth
Lafayette: Army, Delaware, Villanova, Central Connecticut
Lehigh: Navy, Villanova, Penn, Yale
Georgetown: Columbia, Campbell, Brown, Marist
Want something better? Ask for it!
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 12, 2017 20:25:49 GMT -5
I hate to say it but I think with the way things are trending it's time for this school to figure out if it really wants a football program. It's worse to send out a team that is underfunded and a punching bag for peer schools season after season then just decide we don't have the resources to compete in this. It baffles me why this isn't more of a priority to be something like Villanova or at a minimum the PL teams we play against.
Maybe we could cancel this program and divert those funds to III's next payday.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 12, 2017 21:18:45 GMT -5
I hate to say it but I think with the way things are trending it's time for this school to figure out if it really wants a football program. It's worse to send out a team that is underfunded and a punching bag for peer schools season after season then just decide we don't have the resources to compete in this. It baffles me why this isn't more of a priority to be something like Villanova or at a minimum the PL teams we play against. Georgetown certainly has the resources to compete--it has roughly the same general revenue and expense base as Villanova does, and plays roughly the same sports (Villanova plays water polo which GU doesn't, Georgetown has men's rowing and Villanova doesn't.) What's different? Resources at Villanova don't pay as much for a basketball coach, don't pay rent for 16 games at Verizon Center when six will do at Wells Fargo Center, and don't have an institutional phobia against scholarship football. They also have a spartan, if functional, 12,000 seat football stadium that is large enough to welcome regional opponents from time to time (Penn, Delaware, Lehigh) and aren't afraid to take a road-only loss now and then against a Temple or Pitt because it keeps their name in front or recruits. Not many recruits say "I didn't know Villanova has a football team!" By contrast, Georgetown doesn't play any regional opponents. Howard doesn't want to lose prestige in the HBCU community by losing to Georgetown (Howard lost two of three, and it easily could have been all three if Jim Miceli could have called a goal line series...), Towson isn't in conversation, Maryland and Navy aren't interested. By 2018, the marquee opponent will be Columbia, which is closer than you think in passing Georgetown right by. Then again, Villanova loses roughly $3 million a year in soft dollars to play at this level. it's a number they can live with given the revenue stream they get from basketball, which Georgetown no longer has in the same degree. But as long as the administrative wisdom holds that the Ivy League is all Georgetown can ever aspire to play, that's all they'll get. If I suggested opponents like Rice and Tulane instead of Davidson and Marist, many would say, "we can't ever compete with schools like that." To which I would ask, "Well, why not?" FWIW, Villanova plays both Lehigh and Lafayette this season. |
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 12, 2017 22:19:18 GMT -5
I hate to say it but I think with the way things are trending it's time for this school to figure out if it really wants a football program. It's worse to send out a team that is underfunded and a punching bag for peer schools season after season then just decide we don't have the resources to compete in this. It baffles me why this isn't more of a priority to be something like Villanova or at a minimum the PL teams we play against. Georgetown certainly has the resources to compete--it has roughly the same general revenue and expense base as Villanova does, and plays roughly the same sports (Villanova plays water polo which GU doesn't, Georgetown has men's rowing and Villanova doesn't.) What's different? Resources at Villanova don't pay as much for a basketball coach, don't pay rent for 16 games at Verizon Center when six will do at Wells Fargo Center, and don't have an institutional phobia against scholarship football. They also have a spartan, if functional, 12,000 seat football stadium that is large enough to welcome regional opponents from time to time (Penn, Delaware, Lehigh) and aren't afraid to take a road-only loss now and then against a Temple or Pitt because it keeps their name in front or recruits. Not many recruits say "I didn't know Villanova has a football team!" By contrast, Georgetown doesn't play any regional opponents. Howard doesn't want to lose prestige in the HBCU community by losing to Georgetown (Howard lost two of three, and it easily could have been all three if Jim Miceli could have called a goal line series...), Towson isn't in conversation, Maryland and Navy aren't interested. By 2018, the marquee opponent will be Columbia, which is closer than you think in passing Georgetown right by. Then again, Villanova loses roughly $3 million a year in soft dollars to play at this level. it's a number they can live with given the revenue stream they get from basketball, which Georgetown no longer has in the same degree. But as long as the administrative wisdom holds that the Ivy League is all Georgetown can ever aspire to play, that's all they'll get. If I suggested opponents like Rice and Tulane instead of Davidson and Marist, many would say, "we can't ever compete with schools like that." To which I would ask, "Well, why not?" FWIW, Villanova plays both Lehigh and Lafayette this season. They pay Jay less that's funny. The Verizon thing is something that if as bad as many claim here needs to change. Expand our on campus to fit and get our house in order. If our capacity is too low what will the BE do kick us out? Please, not like the VC has more attendance than that on campus would hold. As in many things this athletic department does, I just don't believe there is any real plan here and it's a shame for all involved. I really think no one in this school knows what the hell they are doing in terms of athletics as we are so inconsistent in what we do and have no real plan. I think the few programs that are successful are doing it despite themselves. No excuses why as a school with our resources we could be this far behind Ivies and PL teams. |
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 15, 2017 18:35:30 GMT -5
Having a football program is not even an issue, every university needs football for school spirit and alumni tradition. Maybe it's a testosterone thing, but combative sports against other schools is healthy and American.
DFW Hoya, you bring in a good comparison with Villanova. I respect that school and have felt it would be great to have an ongoing tradition of playing them on a yearly basis. Two things surface as I read your comment:
1. Their football facility is far superior to GU. I don't know what the answer is for Georgetown. They are landlocked with no room to grow. Remodeling the present facility will make it look better, but won't increase the seating much.
Is there a football facility in the DC area that could be rented for a game or two for some higher level opponents? Would this cut down on attendance? Suggestions?
2. Money allocation for present athletics. Does basketball bring in a lot of revenue? If GU cutdown on using the Verizon Center in half (8 games), would using the on campus facility reduce their income significantly? What is the
budget for paying football coaches? I would think they should at least be competitive with the top half of the Patriot League if not even on top. I'm a personnel guy, pay the money and coaches will want to stay around for awhile.
I also was a bit disappointed that 2 years in a row, GU had to take a 9 hour bus ride the day before the Harvard game. Maybe that's how it is done in the Patriot League, but to expect athletes to perform optimally, give their bodies a
chance to compete at a high level.
I'm looking forward to the Harvard game this year. Hopefully a good crowd and a competitive game. With Barnes getting a second shot at QB and the defense coming off a stellar year, I hope we can play them tough. I still would like to see us go to some 2-back sets occasionally to provide some more blocking to establish a running game. Spring game is April 21, a Friday. I hear off season conditioning is going well. Go Hoyas!
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 16, 2017 23:56:58 GMT -5
Having a football program is not even an issue, every university needs football for school spirit and alumni tradition. Maybe it's a testosterone thing, but combative sports against other schools is healthy and American. DFW Hoya, you bring in a good comparison with Villanova. I respect that school and have felt it would be great to have an ongoing tradition of playing them on a yearly basis. Two things surface as I read your comment: 1. Their football facility is far superior to GU. I don't know what the answer is for Georgetown. They are landlocked with no room to grow. Remodeling the present facility will make it look better, but won't increase the seating much. Is there a football facility in the DC area that could be rented for a game or two for some higher level opponents? Would this cut down on attendance? Suggestions? 2. Money allocation for present athletics. Does basketball bring in a lot of revenue? If GU cutdown on using the Verizon Center in half (8 games), would using the on campus facility reduce their income significantly? What is the budget for paying football coaches? I would think they should at least be competitive with the top half of the Patriot League if not even on top. I'm a personnel guy, pay the money and coaches will want to stay around for awhile. I also was a bit disappointed that 2 years in a row, GU had to take a 9 hour bus ride the day before the Harvard game. Maybe that's how it is done in the Patriot League, but to expect athletes to perform optimally, give their bodies a chance to compete at a high level. I'm looking forward to the Harvard game this year. Hopefully a good crowd and a competitive game. With Barnes getting a second shot at QB and the defense coming off a stellar year, I hope we can play them tough. I still would like to see us go to some 2-back sets occasionally to provide some more blocking to establish a running game. Spring game is April 21, a Friday. I hear off season conditioning is going well. Go Hoyas! Not sure I agree with your first naive statement. Have you checked our BE rivals and looked at how many have football programs? Now go ahead and continue the 15 to 20 year argument about why Georgetown is where there are in football. |
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Feb 17, 2017 16:15:18 GMT -5
I don't know the history of Georgetown Football, only been following the last few years. I heard about 2012 they had a great season with about 8 wins. Was the talent really good that year? Eagle54 and DFW Hoya, you seem like very long and faithful fans, I'm sure you've been through alot. With Sgarlata taking the helm, I'd like to see them start an upward swing. I'm convinced FCS football is not just for those who can't play in the FBS, but a very viable option for those men who want to combine good good football with an outstanding education. I'm still not convinced that scholarships are the issue, because GU has scholarship money for lower to middle income athletes. Those tend to be your good football players. I would like to know what the average football player pays in tuition, maybe I would be surprised. There are outstanding teams in the FCS that don't give football scholarships. The issue is not the quality of education at Georgetown, they usually hover around #20 on the lists of top universities in the country. The networking with alumni appears to be active. They are very selective in their admissions process and want top quality students. It appears like tradition is an issue. As I read posts, it sounds as if winning seasons are few are far between. So how does this change. I think longevity of programs helps. I will continue to say, Sgarlata seems to be the right man and I don't think he is going anywhere. He has to get 2-3 winning seasons in a row under his belt. How does this happen. Mr. Reed has to start "fast-tracking" this stadium renovation to provide a spark and impetus. Pay your coaches at the top of the league scale. More from the Sports Information Office about football, the team, including sending to high school coaches any successes they have. We live in day of social media, crank it up big time! How about alumni support? Georgetown has to have strategically place alumni groups around the country. Having ex-Hoya football players promoting within the area they live might go a long way. Just some thoughts on a Friday at the end of a work week. Looking forward to next season. This Brunell kid from Jacksonville may be the QB of the future, I've heard good things. My goal is still a 6-win season next year, we can get there. Go Hoyas!  |
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 17, 2017 22:34:16 GMT -5
Sgarlata is the right guy for the job and no one knows or has been around this program longer. I think he's working with a handicap on many fronts and it's due to this administration that is only half in on football and that maybe generous. Until they fix the scholarship/non-scholarship situation in our conference, get a real stadium to play in, treat this as more than some other club team at the school, etc. they won't get anywhere. The scholarship issue is new but the others have been hanging out there forever. Academics at Georgetown certainly help and is the reason we get many of the great players we have but if Lehigh, Fordham, etc. are offering scholarship money and have better facilities with a winning program a high school kid is not going to pick Georgetown over that even though academics favor us.
As has been pointed out on the basketball board, we seem like a school all in on one sport that can't seem to do anything and we run these other programs like some third rate community college.
DFW knows more than I on the topic but the interest in this program is all but gone as evidenced by the interest on this board.
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