Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 8:11:37 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor.
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime.
Will Mr. Obama follow suit?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 21, 2017 10:06:37 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? Yes, I expect so. One doesn't have to go into utter seclusion (as LBJ did) to be an effective elder statesman. And not all members of the Ex-Presidents Club kept their opinions to themselves. Truman often criticized Eisenhower (and later Kennedy) as a private citizen and actually campaigned against Eisenhower in 1956.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 10:42:00 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? Yes, I expect so. One doesn't have to go into utter seclusion (as LBJ did) to be an effective elder statesman. And not all members of the Ex-Presidents Club kept their opinions to themselves. Truman often criticized Eisenhower (and later Kennedy) as a private citizen and actually campaigned against Eisenhower in 1956. Thank you for the added perspective. I was not around for the Ike, Truman years
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 12:34:43 GMT -5
Trump isn't holding himself to any type of standard so who really cares. "Norms" lol...
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 21, 2017 12:50:36 GMT -5
If Trump is as horrible and destructive as it looks like he could be, I hope everyone speaks out.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 12:51:29 GMT -5
Trump isn't holding himself to any type of standard so who really cares. "Norms" lol... Nice deflection. So your answer is no
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:01:27 GMT -5
Deflection? Lol... When I develop that "I know what Obama will do app" I'll let you know.
Until then let's expect everyone else to hold themselves to a higher standard than the current occupant. Norms? As if the guy in the White House has followed in the past or is currently following any of them. lol
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 21, 2017 13:33:23 GMT -5
He already answered this question at his last press conference.
"But there’s a difference between that normal functioning of politics and certain issues or certain moments where I think our core values may be at stake. I put in that category if I saw systematic discrimination being ratified in some fashion. I put in that category explicit or functional obstacles to people being able to vote, to exercise their franchise.
I’d put in that category institutional efforts to silence dissent or the press. And for me at least, I would put in that category efforts to roundup kids who have grown up here and for all practical purposes are American kids, and send them someplace else, when they love this country. They are our kids’ friends and their classmates, and are now entering into community colleges or in some cases serving in our military, that the notion that we would just arbitrarily or because of politics punish those kids, when they didn’t do anything wrong themselves, I think would be something that would merit me speaking out."
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 21, 2017 13:34:19 GMT -5
Thank you for the added perspective. I was not around for the Ike, Truman years Nor was I, of course. The Truman-Eisenhower turnover defines much of the modern "transition" protocol. It was the first change of party in 20 years, and the first such change since the inauguration was moved from March 4 to January 20. Given the Cold War, there had to be a smooth handoff (not as big a deal when Hoover tossed the keys to FDR) to allay fears around the world. The other byproduct was that respect would be given to the departing president. In 1953, Eisenhower basically ignored Truman that day and the Trumans were left to wait for a train out of Union Station while the inaugural parade was underway. That didn't look good for Eisenhower as a result and the process of affording respect to one's predecessor followed, even if Eisenhower himself wasn't a fan of JFK.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 13:48:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the added perspective. I was not around for the Ike, Truman years Nor was I, of course. The Truman-Eisenhower turnover defines much of the modern "transition" protocol. It was the first change of party in 20 years, and the first such change since the inauguration was moved from March 4 to January 20. Given the Cold War, there had to be a smooth handoff (not as big a deal when Hoover tossed the keys to FDR) to allay fears around the world. The other byproduct was that respect would be given to the departing president. In 1953, Eisenhower basically ignored Truman that day and the Trumans were left to wait for a train out of Union Station while the inaugural parade was underway. That didn't look good for Eisenhower as a result and the process of affording respect to one's predecessor followed, even if Eisenhower himself wasn't a fan of JFK. I know. I was playing with you.
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Post by TC on Jan 21, 2017 19:27:32 GMT -5
Elvado is afraid of the outgoing President he's spent 8 years complaining about who has about double the approval of the incoming one.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 19:31:49 GMT -5
Elvado is afraid of the outgoing President he's spent 8 years complaining about who has about double the approval of the incoming one. Afraid of, no. Sick to death of, yes. Let him go be cool and hip and oh so smart in seclusion.
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Post by TC on Jan 21, 2017 19:47:21 GMT -5
You're afraid. You would not start threads like this if he were like W. Bush, exiting the Presidency at 22%. He's a threat because he's a unifying figure and widely popular, and that's the only reason you care.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 21, 2017 19:49:33 GMT -5
Elvado is afraid of the outgoing President he's spent 8 years complaining about who has about double the approval of the incoming one. But, but, but - Trump won and the Repubs retained control of the House and Senate while Obama's party lost nationally and at the local and state levels. So approval, schmooval.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 19:51:19 GMT -5
You're afraid. You would not start threads like this if he were like W. Bush, exiting the Presidency at 22%. He's a threat because he's a unifying figure and widely popular, and that's the only reason you care. And you are a Barry O fan boy... Whatever floats your boat.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 21, 2017 19:54:18 GMT -5
Thank you for the added perspective. I was not around for the Ike, Truman years Nor was I, of course. The Truman-Eisenhower turnover defines much of the modern "transition" protocol. It was the first change of party in 20 years, and the first such change since the inauguration was moved from March 4 to January 20. Given the Cold War, there had to be a smooth handoff (not as big a deal when Hoover tossed the keys to FDR) to allay fears around the world. The other byproduct was that respect would be given to the departing president. In 1953, Eisenhower basically ignored Truman that day and the Trumans were left to wait for a train out of Union Station while the inaugural parade was underway. That didn't look good for Eisenhower as a result and the process of affording respect to one's predecessor followed, even if Eisenhower himself wasn't a fan of JFK. I witnessed the 1949 Truman Inauguration parade, standing in front of the Washington Hotel, frozen but refreshed by my classmate's flask. Eisenhower was in that 1949 parade. Their feud was apparently later.
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Post by aristides on Jan 21, 2017 20:46:12 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? Whether Obama fails to meet this criteria you've set for him is so far down my list of concerns as Trump starts to run this country...
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2017 21:13:49 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? Whether Obama fails to meet this criteria you've set for him is so far down my list of concerns as Trump starts to run this country... Good to know
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Post by Buckets on Jan 22, 2017 1:30:49 GMT -5
Remarkable post from a guy with an ethics committee review as his first internet search result.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 28, 2017 18:46:34 GMT -5
Whatever he does, I'm just glad he and the first family took a bit to relax in the Coachella Valley. No matter your views, you have to agree that they earned a bit of respite. Good folks here of ALL political persuasions. ReMARKable the degree to which people here are able to engage in respectful dialogue despite their disagreements. No wonder it's been one of America's favorite playgrounds for over 80 years, and that presidents of both parties come here to chill.
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