Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2022 9:15:00 GMT -5
He is now in the entertainment business. That says it all. I don’t think it does. Can you explain it to me? Yes. Sure. He promotes entertainment on a steaming service everyday. He produces content for people to consume on their devices and offers his own editorial slant in those productions. He now wants to lecture (his favorite sport) on the dangers posed by the production and consumption of content and the existential threat it poses. Please.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2022 9:16:20 GMT -5
Are you comparing content he makes for Netflix with the scourge that is social media? Care to offer an opinion as to what false information he is putting out there? I’m no great Obama fan, but your comment seems to be grasping at straws. Classic corrupt GOP response. Deflect and retarget to avoid discussion of the issue at hand. His comment is irrelevant and as a lawyer, he should know that. Suddenly, Elvado doesn't believe in capitalism??? The guy who "votes his wallet"? I salute his capitalism. He is not however an honest broker on this issue as one with a dog in the race.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 22, 2022 9:19:15 GMT -5
Classic corrupt GOP response. Deflect and retarget to avoid discussion of the issue at hand. His comment is irrelevant and as a lawyer, he should know that. Suddenly, Elvado doesn't believe in capitalism??? The guy who "votes his wallet"? I salute his capitalism. He is not however an honest broker on this issue as one with a dog in the race. You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anything at all? Perhaps you'd say "Pelosi is no better." And by the way, where are all the reports of the Taliban flying the UH-60 Black Hawks? Ha ha ha.
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 22, 2022 9:27:07 GMT -5
I don’t think it does. Can you explain it to me? Yes. Sure. He promotes entertainment on a steaming service everyday. He produces content for people to consume on their devices and offers his own editorial slant in those productions. He now wants to lecture (his favorite sport) on the dangers posed by the production and consumption of content and the existential threat it poses. Please. Very well. He is offering content for people to consume with an editorial slant. He is not offering it as news. He is offering it as, you put it, entertainment. You should know very well that this is substantially different than the “information” that imperils democracy. People consume social media as if it were the truth, as long as it conforms to their confirmation bias. They engage with headlines and memes as if they were the final word on an issue. Or another example: Tucker Carlson. He is literally on a network calling itself the news, yet, in legal filings, he refers to his program as entertainment also offering that no reasonable person could believe some of the things he says. But somehow, it’s not siloed off as Fox entertainment. Do you know anybody who consumes Netflix for anything other than entertainment? It’s pretty clearly an entertainment platform, as you have already acknowledged. Disguising entertainment as news as Carlson does is far more nefarious, dishonest, and destructive. Either you are too blinded by your hatred for Obama to see the difference, or you know there is a difference, you just won’t acknowledge it to other people. In either instance, there is quite literally no comparison to be made between what he is doing and what social media and Tucker Carlson are doing. None.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2022 9:34:04 GMT -5
I salute his capitalism. He is not however an honest broker on this issue as one with a dog in the race. You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anyhing. I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 22, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -5
You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anyhing. I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny A Georgetown-educated lawyer still can't distinguish between content (even with an editorial slant} and active disinformation. Sad. I take it you don't read newspapers either or simply ignore any political reporting in whatever newspaper to disclaim any knowledge of the McCarthy tape (audio not video, BTW)? Ignorance is bliss.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2022 9:50:57 GMT -5
I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny A Georgetown-educated lawyer still can't distinguish between content (even with an editorial slant} and active disinformation. Sad. I take it you don't read newspapers either or simply ignore any political reporting in whatever newspaper to disclaim any knowledge of the McCarthy tape (audio not video, BTW)? Ignorance is bliss. Fine line between slanted content and disinformation. Your point is taken. Obama, in my humble (and by your score uniformed) opinion has feet of clay on this issue. The issue is important, the messenger here is wrong. That said, I am sure he will give a brilliant address.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 22, 2022 10:06:09 GMT -5
A Georgetown-educated lawyer still can't distinguish between content (even with an editorial slant} and active disinformation. Sad. I take it you don't read newspapers either or simply ignore any political reporting in whatever newspaper to disclaim any knowledge of the McCarthy tape (audio not video, BTW)? Ignorance is bliss. Fine line between slanted content and disinformation. Your point is taken. Obama, in my humble (and by your score uniformed) opinion has feet of clay on this issue. The issue is important, the messenger here is wrong. That said, I am sure he will give a brilliant address. I know your last sentence is sarcasm. Suffice it to say, his speech was well-thought out and coherent, unlike anything emanating from MAGA GOPers and the orange psychipath. In his speech, Obama said that when he was president, he didn’t realize “how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories, despite having spent years being a target of disinformation myself,” saying he still harbors regret to this day. Disinformation refers to a coordinated campaign by political leaders, corporations, or other figures to spread harmful falsehoods and misleading narratives. Despite keeping a relatively low public profile during his post-presidency, the former president in recent months has started to turn disinformation into a signature issue for his public life after office, embarking on a campaign to warn the public about the harm caused by falsehoods online and the social media algorithms that spread them. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/21/obama-disinformation-stanford/
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2022 10:27:39 GMT -5
You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anyhing. I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny You really don't put much thought into your positions on anything political, do you?
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 22, 2022 10:58:58 GMT -5
I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny You really don't put much thought into your positions on anything political, do you? My bar tends to be low for either political party but there is only one party that clears it and it is the one that actually believes in democracy. It's definitely not the MAGA GOP. Matthew Continetti was on MSNBC flacking his Book "The Right" and it is sad that he does not see the revival of a "normal" Republican Party (smaller government, economic freedom, global alliances) anytime in the near future. Trumpism has infected it and has allowed all the extremist tendencies of the GOP which he writes has always existed will now hold sway.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2022 14:45:44 GMT -5
Fine line between slanted content and disinformation. Your point is taken. Obama, in my humble (and by your score uniformed) opinion has feet of clay on this issue. The issue is important, the messenger here is wrong. That said, I am sure he will give a brilliant address. I know your last sentence is sarcasm. Suffice it to say, his speech was well-thought out and coherent, unlike anything emanating from MAGA GOPers and the orange psychipath. In his speech, Obama said that when he was president, he didn’t realize “how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories, despite having spent years being a target of disinformation myself,” saying he still harbors regret to this day. Disinformation refers to a coordinated campaign by political leaders, corporations, or other figures to spread harmful falsehoods and misleading narratives. Despite keeping a relatively low public profile during his post-presidency, the former president in recent months has started to turn disinformation into a signature issue for his public life after office, embarking on a campaign to warn the public about the harm caused by falsehoods online and the social media algorithms that spread them. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/21/obama-disinformation-stanford/No sarcasm at all. Mr. Obama is a gifted and brilliant speaker. I am sure his address was well-written, well thought out and well-delivered. He just lacks the footing to credibly give it.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 22, 2022 18:25:56 GMT -5
Are you comparing content he makes for Netflix with the scourge that is social media? Care to offer an opinion as to what false information he is putting out there? I’m no great Obama fan, but your comment seems to be grasping at straws. He is now in the entertainment business. That says it all. To make documentaries. Everyone knows national parks are only interesting to socialists. Sneaky Obama.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2022 6:54:08 GMT -5
People are perfectly welcome to have their own opinions and biases about public figures, including current and past political figures. The facts are that disinformation in virtually all venues of media, be it television, radio, podcasts or social media (including that put out by both political parties) have directly or indirectly influenced hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths due to COVID in our country and have played a major role in the fraud being perpetrated by Mr. Putin where thousands of innocent lives are being taken. You can bleat all you want about lack of “footing” on the part of Mr. Obama, but the fact remains that he is a trusted voice to at least half of this country. As an aside, since the apparent objection is that he is a capitalist (imagine that, a capitalist in America), I fail to see how this advances that narrative. Never mind though, that part has no relevance towards discounting what is a subject that needs discussion and action almost more than any other in the country.
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2022 0:13:22 GMT -5
You certainly are the master of false equivalence. No doubt you equate Obama's production company with the "documentaries" produced by Editeder Carlson. For a "Republican" to use the word "honest" in anything is such hypocrisy. What do you have to say about McCarthy? Anyhing. I don’t watch Carlson. I have not seen the McCarthy tapes. I do not watch Netflix. I am thoroughly disgusted by Washington and every political figure there. I live in a city that just re-imposed a four day mask mandate because the Mayor is a jackass. Content producers decrying the evils of content consumption strikes me funny This comes off as disingenuous. You're disgusted by what, exactly? You support a "party" that is vehemently anti-democracy. Yet, you are disgusted by both sides equally? You're opposed to being cautious because a lot of people are stupid why?
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Post by tashoya on May 28, 2022 0:41:56 GMT -5
I know your last sentence is sarcasm. Suffice it to say, his speech was well-thought out and coherent, unlike anything emanating from MAGA GOPers and the orange psychipath. In his speech, Obama said that when he was president, he didn’t realize “how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories, despite having spent years being a target of disinformation myself,” saying he still harbors regret to this day. Disinformation refers to a coordinated campaign by political leaders, corporations, or other figures to spread harmful falsehoods and misleading narratives. Despite keeping a relatively low public profile during his post-presidency, the former president in recent months has started to turn disinformation into a signature issue for his public life after office, embarking on a campaign to warn the public about the harm caused by falsehoods online and the social media algorithms that spread them. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/21/obama-disinformation-stanford/No sarcasm at all. Mr. Obama is a gifted and brilliant speaker. I am sure his address was well-written, well thought out and well-delivered. He just lacks the footing to credibly give it. You're, unintentionally, hilarious.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 15, 2022 19:06:51 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? I still laugh when I read this one. The mango maniac. . .where's Elvado's outrage now??? I hope I live to see a day when people who were "Republicans" revise their personal history to deny having ever been associated with that party/cult when talking to their grandchildren. After all, GOPers are very good at revising history and creating their own reality.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 16, 2022 5:09:55 GMT -5
One laudable tradition that has been mostly honored by outgoing Presidents is staying quiet and refraining from criticism of his successor. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB have all observed this in my lifetime. Will Mr. Obama follow suit? I still laugh when I read this one. The mango maniac. . .where's Elvado's outrage now??? I hope I live to see a day when people who were "Republicans" revise their personal history to deny having ever been associated with that party/cult when talking to their grandchildren. After all, GOPers are very good at revising history and creating their own reality. Wrong then; worse now. Happy?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 16, 2022 5:39:44 GMT -5
I still laugh when I read this one. The mango maniac. . .where's Elvado's outrage now??? I hope I live to see a day when people who were "Republicans" revise their personal history to deny having ever been associated with that party/cult when talking to their grandchildren. After all, GOPers are very good at revising history and creating their own reality. Wrong then; worse now. Happy? I just hope you're not voting for White "Christian" Nationalist/fascist Mastriano or quack Dr. Oz. But that's your business.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 16, 2022 6:01:38 GMT -5
Wrong then; worse now. Happy? I just hope you're not voting for White "Christian" Nationalist/fascist Mastriano or quack Dr. Oz. But that's your business. Mastriano is a hard no for me. I actually like Shapiro who has done some good work as AG. The Senate race is much more problematic for me. Oz is a quack but Fetterman is a jackass who has yet to explain holding his shotgun On an unarmed black man. Funny how the media never pushes him to answer. Must be a “D” thing Add in his basic moron persona and I may just sit the Senate race out.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 16, 2022 6:43:23 GMT -5
I just hope you're not voting for White "Christian" Nationalist/fascist Mastriano or quack Dr. Oz. But that's your business. Mastriano is a hard no for me. I actually like Shapiro who has done some good work as AG. The Senate race is much more problematic for me. Oz is a quack but Fetterman is a jackass who has yet to explain holding his shotgun On an unarmed black man. Funny how the media never pushes him to answer. Must be a “D” thing Add in his basic moron persona and I may just sit the Senate race out. A retired Army Colonel friend of mine I served with in the Middle East taught at the Army War College after his deployment at the same time that Mastriano did. I am meeting up with him next month and am curious to hear what he knew about Mastriano during that time and if his whack job views were known at the time. After all, a whack job like Flynn achieved flag rank.
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