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Post by triplehoya09 on Dec 26, 2016 12:30:30 GMT -5
I just don't see much downside to taking the kid, assuming we can get him. We have room and need more talent. He supposedly has talent. So he has some attitude. If we're winning, the attitude should be mitigated. If we're losing, we have bigger problems than his attitude. Except for Cunliffe taking a scholarship that could be given to another recruit - a recruit that may not materialize or may not have his skills - what's the downside?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 26, 2016 12:33:39 GMT -5
LMAO.. I'm over here crying reading this. Too damn funny. How do you tell somebody Shut up right after telling them relax it's xmas? !!! This was exactly my thought when I read it but I decided to take the high road.. Which was the point I was trying to make before I got yelled at by 72.. Oh the irony.. LOL..
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Post by dense on Dec 26, 2016 12:52:17 GMT -5
I honestly think Broadus has to convince him that we are a family atmosphere and that will appeal to him most. He has a close friend on Kansas already so I think thats why he is on them. I think that stage is what he is looking for. The rumor from ASU people is troubling on why he and Hurley did not work out but it is not saying he is a bad kid just thinks too highly of himself.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 26, 2016 13:43:58 GMT -5
LMAO.. I'm over here crying reading this. Too damn funny. How do you tell somebody Shut up right after telling them relax it's xmas? !!! I took it to mean Santa Treats For U.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 26, 2016 14:21:22 GMT -5
Love to see a kid come in and he is given a chance and it all works out. It can only help the program. AKA Allen Iverson.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 26, 2016 16:33:36 GMT -5
Kids a top-50 level talent. If we want to compete with the best teams, we need ballers.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 26, 2016 18:59:16 GMT -5
Trusting The Staff on this one. I think they are learning that chemistry is an important factor for a successful program.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 27, 2016 9:14:58 GMT -5
I honestly think Broadus has to convince him that we are a family atmosphere and that will appeal to him most. He has a close friend on Kansas already so I think thats why he is on them. I think that stage is what he is looking for. The rumor from ASU people is troubling on why he and Hurley did not work out but it is not saying he is a bad kid just thinks too highly of himself. I don't know anything about the kid or his history at other schools. It sounds like he has an "attitude" and thinks he is a really good player. That can be a problem, if he is not a good player, but if the kid can back it up on the floor then that "attitude" is what's needed from scorers at the high major level. We are going to likely lose two players next year, Peak and Pryor, who both seem to be very "confident" players and there is not much difference between confident players and cocky players. When you have player that can make shots and score in bunches you need them to have the self confidence to want the ball all the time. Some people have ripped Copeland on his way out the door for being too passive and not asserting his will on the game, it doesn't sound like that would be a problem with this kid. The Hoyas are going to need scorers next year, so if the staff believes he can be a scorer next year then go do what they need to do to sign him up!!!
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Post by calhoya on Dec 27, 2016 9:49:22 GMT -5
Trusting The Staff on this one. I think they are learning that chemistry is an important factor for a successful program. Yes this sums up my view on the matter. However,having read a bit about him this last few days and talking to my brother-in-law who lives and dies with PAC 12 basketball and follows that ASU program reasonably well, there are definitely warning signs that need to be addressed up front.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2016 10:22:50 GMT -5
We are going to likely lose two players next year, Peak and Pryor, who both seem to be very "confident" players and there is not much difference between confident players and cocky players. Disagree. For argument's sake, which players under JT3 fit your definition of "cocky"?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 27, 2016 10:49:14 GMT -5
We are going to likely lose two players next year, Peak and Pryor, who both seem to be very "confident" players and there is not much difference between confident players and cocky players. Disagree. For argument's sake, which players under JT3 fit your definition of "cocky"? I'll preface this by saying cocky doesn't always have to be a negative thing.. Having said that, I thought Jabril was cocky, Markel, Chris Wright & DSR too..
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 27, 2016 10:59:49 GMT -5
Disagree. For argument's sake, which players under JT3 fit your definition of "cocky"? I'll preface this by saying cocky doesn't always have to be a negative thing.. Having said that, I thought Jabril was cocky, Markel, Chris Wright & DSR too.. When they play for the team you support and have some success they are called confident, when they play for a team you don't like they are often called "cocky". My point was that there is not much real difference, except from the fans perception of the player. I really like Pryor as a player, but I could see where someone that supports another program would view him as cocky. I think any good team has at least one player who can be viewed this way. That type of player just believes that he can score any time he gets the ball
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Post by dense on Dec 27, 2016 11:52:23 GMT -5
Trusting The Staff on this one. I think they are learning that chemistry is an important factor for a successful program. Yes this sums up my view on the matter. However,having read a bit about him this last few days and talking to my brother-in-law who lives and dies with PAC 12 basketball and follows that ASU program reasonably well, there are definitely warning signs that need to be addressed up front. Exactly, I have been reading a bunch about the situation from ASU fans and if what their "insiders" say is true then it is a huge red flag that needs to be addressed because the same problem will happen here more than likely.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 27, 2016 14:15:45 GMT -5
Talented kid but I could go either way here tbh... Certainly we all respect your opinion on prospects Yaboy...you're much more plugged in and have seen these kids much more than most of us. Care to expand on that thought?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 15:06:39 GMT -5
Talented kid but I could go either way here tbh... Certainly we all respect your opinion on prospects Yaboy...you're much more plugged in and have seen these kids much more than most of us. Care to expand on that thought? Most of the concerns have been laid out by other posters but from what I've seen (which isn't much) he's very talented but his game is a little loose. His aggression can cause him to take bad shots make poor decisions etc... So while the numbers are good, it's more volume, and efficiency hasn't been there at times. Needs to keep the aggression but have a better understanding of what a good and bad shot and play hard all of the time regardless of results. In order for him to reach his potential imo he has to be coached hard. If he's willing to accept that you take him, but that's a question we do not no the answer to.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2016 15:59:03 GMT -5
I'll preface this by saying cocky doesn't always have to be a negative thing.. Having said that, I thought Jabril was cocky, Markel, Chris Wright & DSR too.. When they play for the team you support and have some success they are called confident, when they play for a team you don't like they are often called "cocky". My point was that there is not much real difference, except from the fans perception of the player. I really like Pryor as a player, but I could see where someone that supports another program would view him as cocky. I think any good team has at least one player who can be viewed this way. That type of player just believes that he can score any time he gets the ball I don't see Markel and DSR as "cocky" in the "boldly or brashly self-confident" (def. Merriam Webster) sense. Many times they looked timid on the court, and I'm a fan of both and appreciate them for what they did at GU. Maybe Jabril, but that's his Philly side and that's more aggressiveness. Pryor is excused because he's an old man , not an 18 year-old like Cunliffe. I would add Bowen before he got here, but GU sucked it out of him. Maybe Rivers, but he's the "conceited" definition of "cocky".
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Dec 27, 2016 16:47:52 GMT -5
When they play for the team you support and have some success they are called confident, when they play for a team you don't like they are often called "cocky". My point was that there is not much real difference, except from the fans perception of the player. I really like Pryor as a player, but I could see where someone that supports another program would view him as cocky. I think any good team has at least one player who can be viewed this way. That type of player just believes that he can score any time he gets the ball I don't see Markel and DSR as "cocky" in the "boldly or brashly self-confident" (def. Merriam Webster) sense. Many times they looked timid on the court, and I'm a fan of both and appreciate them for what they did at GU. Maybe Jabril, but that's his Philly side and that's more aggressiveness. Pryor is excused because he's an old man , not an 18 year-old like Cunliffe. I would add Bowen before he got here, but GU sucked it out of him. Maybe Rivers, but he's the "conceited" definition of "cocky". Rivers was a classmate and friend of mine while at Gtown. I have to say, he wasn't the slightest bit cocky or conceited. More like a normal college kid with a big last name.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 27, 2016 17:14:48 GMT -5
LMAO.. I'm over here crying reading this. Too damn funny. How do you tell somebody Shut up right after telling them relax it's xmas? !!! True, but it was funny as hell. lol
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Post by tashoya on Dec 27, 2016 19:59:31 GMT -5
Certainly we all respect your opinion on prospects Yaboy...you're much more plugged in and have seen these kids much more than most of us. Care to expand on that thought? Most of the concerns have been laid out by other posters but from what I've seen (which isn't much) he's very talented but his game is a little loose. His aggression can cause him to take bad shots make poor decisions etc... So while the numbers are good, it's more volume, and efficiency hasn't been there at times. Needs to keep the aggression but have a better understanding of what a good and bad shot and play hard all of the time regardless of results. In order for him to reach his potential imo he has to be coached hard. If he's willing to accept that you take him, but that's a question we do not no the answer to. Freshman Isaiah Whitehead level decision-making?
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Post by tashoya on Dec 27, 2016 20:05:32 GMT -5
When they play for the team you support and have some success they are called confident, when they play for a team you don't like they are often called "cocky". My point was that there is not much real difference, except from the fans perception of the player. I really like Pryor as a player, but I could see where someone that supports another program would view him as cocky. I think any good team has at least one player who can be viewed this way. That type of player just believes that he can score any time he gets the ball I don't see Markel and DSR as "cocky" in the "boldly or brashly self-confident" (def. Merriam Webster) sense. Many times they looked timid on the court, and I'm a fan of both and appreciate them for what they did at GU. Maybe Jabril, but that's his Philly side and that's more aggressiveness. Pryor is excused because he's an old man , not an 18 year-old like Cunliffe. I would add Bowen before he got here, but GU sucked it out of him. Maybe Rivers, but he's the "conceited" definition of "cocky". Disagree. DSR and Markel both loved to clap in the opposing player's face. That's pretty cocky. They weren't overly a-hole about it but they had that edge. Both dudes had smiles meant to Edited off opposing players. Markel's was the cheese-eating type and DSR's was a stop being stupid type. That said, neither took it to the point of being all that hated but part of that too is that you have actually be better than the dudes you're playing against such that the clowning would bother them and really make them hate you. Neither Markel nor DSR were consistently that much better than their opponents. Both were very good players but they weren't players that opponents were scared to face. DSR on a very good day could light you up but you didn't have to worry about him at the other end as an opponent. He may get 30 on you but you could get yours too in many cases.
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