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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Dec 25, 2016 12:58:32 GMT -5
We definitely need his services next year based on our guards development at this point. I don't see Campbell, Mosely or Mulmore being able to fill Peaks and Pryors shoes. The only down falls I see would be team chemistry and recruiting going forward, what happens with our chances with Boyd, Hubb and Johnson? But would he be able to play next year? Too many factors involved to give a clear answer the NCAA changes their mind like the wind but according to Verbal Commit two other recent transfers have been granted play time.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 25, 2016 13:26:23 GMT -5
Who knows what is true, particularly based upon a high school video documentary. That said, I hope that the coaches are very careful in evaluating the "fit" with the likely returning players next year. Team needs a player willing to fit into a specific position and role. It does not need a talented kid with an oversized ego. With respect to Copeland, I read a couple of posts on this thread that suggest that he had attitude issues. This is a first for me and would like to know the basis for these statements. My kid has met him several times (including after his benching), knows others who know him fairly well and never suggested any attitude issues. Is there some rumor or incident of which I am unaware or is this all just a reaction to the fact that the team has won a few games in a row and is playing better than before? There is an incident that you are unaware of. So one alleged incident makes him an attitude problem? I say take the high road here, what's the point of throwing innuendos out there about the kid..
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 25, 2016 15:52:34 GMT -5
There is an incident that you are unaware of. So one alleged incident makes him an attitude problem? I say take the high road here, what's the point of throwing innuendos out there about the kid.. The point is it's not just innuendo. And in what scenario does someone with no knowledge of a situation claim to understand the situation better than those that are involved with the situation? Oh that's right - only on Hoyatalk. Who said "one alleged incident" is responsible for his perception? No o......oh wait apparently you just did, so that means it must be true. Get over yourself - have fun on the "high road"
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 25, 2016 15:54:31 GMT -5
But would he be able to play next year? Too many factors involved to give a clear answer the NCAA changes their mind like the wind but according to Verbal Commit two other recent transfers have been granted play time. Generally, if you transfer before the second semester, you're eligible after the first semester of classes the following year expires. So, he'd be eligible in mid-late December 2017 if he came to Georgetown - if the NCAA didn't provide any sort of waiver (as they did with Josh Smith).
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 25, 2016 16:09:28 GMT -5
So one alleged incident makes him an attitude problem? I say take the high road here, what's the point of throwing innuendos out there about the kid.. The point is it's not just innuendo. And in what scenario does someone with no knowledge of a situation claim to understand the situation better than those that are involved with the situation? Oh that's right - only on Hoyatalk. Who said "one alleged incident" is responsible for his perception? No o......oh wait apparently you just did, so that means it must be true. Get over yourself - have fun on the "high road" Another word salad post.. Smh.. Ok Rock..
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 25, 2016 16:33:45 GMT -5
Back to Cunliffe....
WANT! Dude can score. He'd do really well on the new look Gtown offense. We need scorers next year and with finally having a real PG in Tremont next year, this would be a huge get to our team for next year. On top of that looks like he can handle the ball well too. Have we forgotten how much we need that??
Ego or not...you gotta have some ego if you want to be the best. We're missing that bulldog attitude this year imho. I want kids who want to WIN. He'd have every opportunity to play huge minutes immediately.
Get it done Broadus!
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 25, 2016 16:46:52 GMT -5
Back to Cunliffe.... WANT! Dude can score. He'd do really well on the new look Gtown offense. We need scorers next year and with finally having a real PG in Tremont next year, this would be a huge get to our team for next year. On top of that looks like he can handle the ball well too. Have we forgotten how much we need that?? Ego or not...you gotta have some ego if you want to be the best. We're missing that bulldog attitude this year imho. I want kids who want to WIN. He'd have every opportunity to play huge minutes immediately. Get it done Broadus! Agreed. In business and in sports ...sometimes you have to take a risk if someone is a possible game changer. Let's not get too touchy/feely here folks. The '84 Hoyas had some serious attitudes on that team...Fred Brown and Michael Graham come to mind. A fight breaking out in practice wasn't uncommon.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 25, 2016 17:25:28 GMT -5
The point is it's not just innuendo. And in what scenario does someone with no knowledge of a situation claim to understand the situation better than those that are involved with the situation? Oh that's right - only on Hoyatalk. Who said "one alleged incident" is responsible for his perception? No o......oh wait apparently you just did, so that means it must be true. Get over yourself - have fun on the "high road" Another word salad post.. Smh.. Ok Rock.. You have some weird obsession with me - I don't really get it. Long story short you don't have any inside information so how are you comfortable coming to conclusions about his situation? And better yet, refuting those who do have inside knowledge.
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Post by stafford72 on Dec 25, 2016 17:49:16 GMT -5
Both of you--it's Christmas! Shut up
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 25, 2016 18:22:48 GMT -5
Both of you--it's Christmas! Shut up Hit the ignore button next time, mom. If three posts bother you then maybe YOU need to relax. Merry Christmas
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Post by dense on Dec 25, 2016 19:44:33 GMT -5
I am for him but I am not confident it will work. What I do like is he is a high level shooter with a picture perfect shot. Shot 40% from 3 at ASU. Reading their fansites, it seems like he was forcing drives but was trending up right as he left. Had 14 against Kentucky. He did get pulled in a game right before the transfer and looked visually upset so like I said he wears it on his sleeve. Upshot of him coming is his sister might come to games, she probably will be in the Olympics in 2020. Runs a 10.9 100 and she is very attractive.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 25, 2016 19:59:10 GMT -5
I am for him but I am not confident it will work. What I do like is he is a high level shooter with a picture perfect shot. Shot 40% from 3 at ASU. Reading their fansites, it seems like he was forcing drives but was trending up right as he left. Had 14 against Kentucky. He did get pulled in a game right before the transfer and looked visually upset so like I said he wears it on his sleeve. Upshot of him coming is his sister might come to games, she probably will be in the Olympics in 2020. Runs a 10.9 100 and she is very attractive. I like where your heads at.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 25, 2016 21:09:01 GMT -5
I am for him but I am not confident it will work. What I do like is he is a high level shooter with a picture perfect shot. Shot 40% from 3 at ASU. Reading their fansites, it seems like he was forcing drives but was trending up right as he left. Had 14 against Kentucky. He did get pulled in a game right before the transfer and looked visually upset so like I said he wears it on his sleeve. I think this is right. There is always risk with transfers. It's virtually unheard of for a player doing well and getting a lot of playing time to transfer, so really in almost every situation there is some level of risk. Naturally, that yields results across the board. Some transfers thrive (Ewing Jr., Pryor, Benimon or Macklin), while others are a mostly busts and don't ever become good players (Domingo, Nikita Mescheriakov), while others are somewhere in the middle (Vee Sanford, Josh Smith). Clearly, this kid has had his share of problems at other places, and transferring as a freshman after one semester is a little weird. But, the recruiting sites and scouts pretty much universally agree that the kid has talent. And, after this year we will lose a great player in Pryor, and we just lost Copeland, so I think there's room. Barring unexpected events, we aren't going another top 50 recruit to come in to help next year from high school, so if the staff feels like they like the kid and he will be okay at Georgetown, I say go for it. If not, then pass, and we can look at other transfers and/or graduate transfers. I should say that this is an area where we, as fans, really have no ability to make an intelligent opinion. Aside from rumors and some facts about his high school transfers, we really know nothing about him. This is a situation where to make a fully informed decision, you need to thoroughly vet the kid by talking to him, talking to peers, coaches, basically anybody who knows him. Based on what we know publicly, I really can't say I am for or against recruiting this kid. I like that he's supposed to be a high level player, but the background stuff is concerning. This is an area where I think, like it or not, we really have to trust the staff.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 25, 2016 22:13:41 GMT -5
I understand that transferring before the end of the first semester is odd. But, taking the basketball aspect out of it, I think, for me, I was most likely to transfer from Georgetown my first semester than any semester following that. My parents told me to stick it out and my unhappiness had nothing to do with Georgetown but with the upheaval and changes in my life and relationships. That was a tough adjustment for me and, while I never really was serious about transferring, it did occur to me. It's not that difficult for me to envision feeling that way and also feeling that the school/program is a poor fit. I never had that second part which is, likely, why I never got beyond the consideration of a transfer. Maybe that's the case for this kid or maybe it isn't. I certainly don't know. But, if it is the case that this kid really isn't happy and feels the fit to be a bad one for him, if anything, it's something to be commended in that he's not wasting his nor the school's/team's time. There's no shame in making a poor decision and then trying to act quickly to correct it. I'm going with TTS in this case.
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Post by dense on Dec 26, 2016 3:31:52 GMT -5
I am for him but I am not confident it will work. What I do like is he is a high level shooter with a picture perfect shot. Shot 40% from 3 at ASU. Reading their fansites, it seems like he was forcing drives but was trending up right as he left. Had 14 against Kentucky. He did get pulled in a game right before the transfer and looked visually upset so like I said he wears it on his sleeve. Upshot of him coming is his sister might come to games, she probably will be in the Olympics in 2020. Runs a 10.9 100 and she is very attractive. I like where your heads at. Yea, I will admit her instagram and twitter are very "impressive" LOL
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 26, 2016 4:17:25 GMT -5
I understand that transferring before the end of the first semester is odd. But, taking the basketball aspect out of it, I think, for me, I was most likely to transfer from Georgetown my first semester than any semester following that. My parents told me to stick it out and my unhappiness had nothing to do with Georgetown but with the upheaval and changes in my life and relationships. That was a tough adjustment for me and, while I never really was serious about transferring, it did occur to me. It's not that difficult for me to envision feeling that way and also feeling that the school/program is a poor fit. I never had that second part which is, likely, why I never got beyond the consideration of a transfer. Maybe that's the case for this kid or maybe it isn't. I certainly don't know. But, if it is the case that this kid really isn't happy and feels the fit to be a bad one for him, if anything, it's something to be commended in that he's not wasting his nor the school's/team's time. There's no shame in making a poor decision and then trying to act quickly to correct it. I'm going with TTS in this case. Yes, that was my experience, also. I had never been away from home for more than a week when I traveled 3,000 miles to attend college. When I went home for Christmas break during freshman year, I didn't want to return. But I stuck it out, and never looked back. So I agree that we need to trust the staff here. Of course, Cunliffe did also go through three high schools, so there is definitely a red flag.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 26, 2016 11:35:29 GMT -5
Both of you--it's Christmas! Shut up LMAO.. I'm over here crying reading this. Too damn funny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 11:58:37 GMT -5
Both of you--it's Christmas! Shut up LMAO.. I'm over here crying reading this. Too damn funny. How do you tell somebody Shut up right after telling them relax it's xmas? !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 12:00:09 GMT -5
Talented kid but I could go either way here tbh...
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 26, 2016 12:29:49 GMT -5
I understand that transferring before the end of the first semester is odd. But, taking the basketball aspect out of it, I think, for me, I was most likely to transfer from Georgetown my first semester than any semester following that. My parents told me to stick it out and my unhappiness had nothing to do with Georgetown but with the upheaval and changes in my life and relationships. That was a tough adjustment for me and, while I never really was serious about transferring, it did occur to me. It's not that difficult for me to envision feeling that way and also feeling that the school/program is a poor fit. I never had that second part which is, likely, why I never got beyond the consideration of a transfer. Maybe that's the case for this kid or maybe it isn't. I certainly don't know. But, if it is the case that this kid really isn't happy and feels the fit to be a bad one for him, if anything, it's something to be commended in that he's not wasting his nor the school's/team's time. There's no shame in making a poor decision and then trying to act quickly to correct it. I'm going with TTS in this case. Yes, that was my experience, also. I had never been away from home for more than a week when I traveled 3,000 miles to attend college. When I went home for Christmas break during freshman year, I didn't want to return. But I stuck it out, and never looked back. So I agree that we need to trust the staff here. Of course, Cunliffe did also go through three high schools, so there is definitely a red flag. It's kinda hypocritical of me to post this considering how I killed Blake Harris for transferring a lot but I don't think Cunliffes moves in HS are that big of a flag.. From what I gathered he left his local HS after his soph year to go to a private school for his Jr year and the left there to play at one of the top programs in the state Rainier Beach for his Sr. season.. It doesn't appear that he was kicked off of any of these teams.. Each move looks to have put him at a higher level of competition, can't be too mad at a kid for wanting to play against the best.. Maybe Tas & Rooter are right about fit being an issue for him at ASU, from the looks of their roster he was gonna have to continue playing the PF spot for awhile.. As I posted earlier in this thread, I'm a fan of the staff chasing him.. The program needs more talented players..
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