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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 0:17:01 GMT -5
Game time 1:00 pm. Updates throughout.
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 13:11:59 GMT -5
1st qtr. series:
Georgetown: Off to a poor start. Three and out, had to call a time out to avoid delay of game. Punt to C24. Colgate: Eight plays, punt to G30 Georgetown: Three and out (-11 yards), punt is blocked at G10 and returned for TD C 7-0 9:17 1st. Georgetown: Nine plays, punt to C20 Colgate driving to G30.
End of 1st, 7-0.
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 13:46:00 GMT -5
2nd qtr series:
Colgate: Seven plays, 80 yds, 22 yd TD pass. C 14-0 13:55 2nd. Georgetown: Eight plays, INT at midfield. Colgate: Five plays, stopped on 4th and 1 at G31 Georgetown: Five plays, punt into end zone. Colgate: Nine plays, 80 yards C 21-0 1:38 2nd Georgetown: Five plays and two CU penalties to C26, 43 yd FG C 21-3 0:11 2nd.
Halftime, 21-3.
Colgate leads 231-70 in total yards.
Georgetown: 18 rushing, 52 passing. Norris is 11 of 18 for 52 yards. That's 4 yards a catch.
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 14:53:54 GMT -5
3rd qtr series:
Colgate: Nine plays, 75 yards. C 28-3 11:30 3rd Georgetown: Five plays, punt. Colgate: Five plays, punt. Georgetown: Three and out, punt. Colgate: Six plays, 67 yards, 33 yard FG. C 31-3 3:00 3rd Georgetown: Fumbles kickoff at C25. Colgate: Four plays, INT at G14.
End of 3, 31-3
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2016 15:30:13 GMT -5
4th qtr. series:
Georgetown: Six plays, punt. Colgate: Six plays, punt to G5. Georgetown: Three and out, punt to midfield. Colgate: Seven plays, FG was called back by penalty, the second try was blocked. Georgetown: Four plays, turn ball over on downs Colgate: Three plays, TD, C 38-3 1:47 4th Georgetown: Lyons runs back kickoff to C20. Five plays, TD C 38-10 0:10 4th
Final, 38-10. The eight game losing streak is the longest since 2009.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 19, 2016 16:48:55 GMT -5
Not good.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 21, 2016 7:46:51 GMT -5
Um - any chance we have a QB coming in next season? Anybody at all?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 21, 2016 8:54:18 GMT -5
Um - any chance we have a QB coming in next season? Anybody at all? QB's are not the problem. Norris is a capable QB if the play calling was not so weak--he completed 20 passes against Colgate for a grand total of 112 yards. Brock Johnson has all the talent but not the seasoning. RB is the position--it's dead in the water. Take away Davidson and Marist, and Alex Valles averaged 30 yards per game, Christian Bermudez just seven. Georgetown hasn't recruited a solid RB prospect since Charlie Houghton and he dropped off significantly after his first two years. The last impact FB might have been Rob Belli. But here's the problem (again): a impact RB prospect isn't looking for grants and loans. Georgetown can either compete with scholarships and an AI, or no scholarships and no AI, but it can't win in its current setup. Absent the former, we seem unable to consider the latter, which would mean a departure from the Patriot League towards something like the Northeast Conference (St. Francis, Wagner, Duquesne, Central Connecticut, Robert Morris, Bryant, Sacred Heart) or an independent. The aforementioned Red Flash, once alongside St. Peter's as the worst I-AA program in the Northeast, travels to Villanova for the I-AA playoffs this week. The difference is 60 full rides a year--six schools offer it, one does not. Imagine if Duke only offered 25 scholarships and tried to win in the 85-scholarship ACC--how would they fare? That's the gap Georgetown faces in the Patriot.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 21, 2016 11:14:03 GMT -5
I certainly don't disagree that the program either needs to be all in, or step back to a level commensurate with the university's commitment.
My thought about the QB us that at 5 yards per completion, either he is just a dink and dunk guy, who we don't have receivers who can get free down the field. But either way, the number of interceptions is hard to comprehend.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 21, 2016 12:31:29 GMT -5
DFW, you know the school isn't going to fund scholarships at the level of our PL counterparts, so what do you actually think we should do?
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 21, 2016 17:38:45 GMT -5
Um - any chance we have a QB coming in next season? Anybody at all? QB's are not the problem. Norris is a capable QB if the play calling was not so weak--he completed 20 passes against Colgate for a grand total of 112 yards. Brock Johnson has all the talent but not the seasoning. RB is the position--it's dead in the water. Take away Davidson and Marist, and Alex Valles averaged 30 yards per game, Christian Bermudez just seven. Georgetown hasn't recruited a solid RB prospect since Charlie Houghton and he dropped off significantly after his first two years. The last impact FB might have been Rob Belli. But here's the problem (again): a impact RB prospect isn't looking for grants and loans. Georgetown can either compete with scholarships and an AI, or no scholarships and no AI, but it can't win in its current setup. Absent the former, we seem unable to consider the latter, which would mean a departure from the Patriot League towards something like the Northeast Conference (St. Francis, Wagner, Duquesne, Central Connecticut, Robert Morris, Bryant, Sacred Heart) or an independent. The aforementioned Red Flash, once alongside St. Peter's as the worst I-AA program in the Northeast, travels to Villanova for the I-AA playoffs this week. The difference is 60 full rides a year--six schools offer it, one does not. Imagine if Duke only offered 25 scholarships and tried to win in the 85-scholarship ACC--how would they fare? That's the gap Georgetown faces in the Patriot. Why not go independent and try to keep a schedule of Ivies and PL teams with a few others mixed in. I don't think anyone cares about the current conference affiliation but I think people are adverse to joining a lesser academic conference like the Northeast.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 21, 2016 23:45:35 GMT -5
QB's are not the problem. Norris is a capable QB if the play calling was not so weak--he completed 20 passes against Colgate for a grand total of 112 yards. Brock Johnson has all the talent but not the seasoning. RB is the position--it's dead in the water. Take away Davidson and Marist, and Alex Valles averaged 30 yards per game, Christian Bermudez just seven. Georgetown hasn't recruited a solid RB prospect since Charlie Houghton and he dropped off significantly after his first two years. The last impact FB might have been Rob Belli. But here's the problem (again): a impact RB prospect isn't looking for grants and loans. Georgetown can either compete with scholarships and an AI, or no scholarships and no AI, but it can't win in its current setup. Absent the former, we seem unable to consider the latter, which would mean a departure from the Patriot League towards something like the Northeast Conference (St. Francis, Wagner, Duquesne, Central Connecticut, Robert Morris, Bryant, Sacred Heart) or an independent. The aforementioned Red Flash, once alongside St. Peter's as the worst I-AA program in the Northeast, travels to Villanova for the I-AA playoffs this week. The difference is 60 full rides a year--six schools offer it, one does not. Imagine if Duke only offered 25 scholarships and tried to win in the 85-scholarship ACC--how would they fare? That's the gap Georgetown faces in the Patriot. Why not go independent and try to keep a schedule of Ivies and PL teams with a few others mixed in. I don't think anyone cares about the current conference affiliation but I think people are adverse to joining a lesser academic conference like the Northeast. Go back and read some old posts. This is discussed ad nauseum every off season, and this scenario is addressed in each discussion.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 21, 2016 23:49:48 GMT -5
Why not go independent and try to keep a schedule of Ivies and PL teams with a few others mixed in. I don't think anyone cares about the current conference affiliation but I think people are adverse to joining a lesser academic conference like the Northeast. Go back and read some old posts. This is discussed ad nauseum every off season, and this scenario is addressed in each discussion. I've read them but I think things have changed in the PL which would require a reassessment.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 22, 2016 13:43:49 GMT -5
Go back and read some old posts. This is discussed ad nauseum every off season, and this scenario is addressed in each discussion. I've read them but I think things have changed in the PL which would require a reassessment. Nothing has changed since last off season when we all discussed this over and over.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2016 15:38:28 GMT -5
Pros and cons of independent status:
Pro 1. Georgetown charts its own course on budget, scholarships 2. No Academic Index minimums on recruiting 3. More flexibility with strength of scheduling 4. Allows redshirting that PL does not 5. A chance to schedule a winning record but with unfamiliar opponents
Con 1. May be seen as a de-emphasis, reduced visibility with recruits ("What conference are you in?") 2. Difficulty scheduling opponents in Oct-Nov. due to conference schedules 3. Likely pushback from PL teams to schedule them out of conference 4. No video coverage; unlikely GU would foot the bill for production. 5. No chance at playoffs (as opposed to "almost" no chance in PL)
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 22, 2016 17:15:48 GMT -5
Pros and cons of independent status: Pro1. Georgetown charts its own course on budget, scholarships 2. No Academic Index minimums on recruiting 3. More flexibility with strength of scheduling 4. Allows redshirting that PL does not 5. A chance to schedule a winning record but with unfamiliar opponents Con1. May be seen as a de-emphasis, reduced visibility with recruits ("What conference are you in?") 2. Difficulty scheduling opponents in Oct-Nov. due to conference schedules 3. Likely pushback from PL teams to schedule them out of conference 4. No video coverage; unlikely GU would foot the bill for production. 5. No chance at playoffs (as opposed to "almost" no chance in PL) I'd take the independent status with that list. I think we could effectively get more Ivies on the schedule and maybe a PL team or two with the remaining teams coming from the rest of I-AA. If we can get more competitive in I-AA maybe we could try to play Villanova. I think the Ivies are more appealing for our fanbase than the PL teams anyway. Are you precluded from making playoffs without conference affiliation not that it matters much at this point?
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Post by puppydog100 on Nov 23, 2016 8:13:40 GMT -5
When does our current agreement with the Patriot League terminate?
Go indy, or bust!!!!!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 23, 2016 19:00:08 GMT -5
Pros and cons of independent status: Pro1. Georgetown charts its own course on budget, scholarships 2. No Academic Index minimums on recruiting 3. More flexibility with strength of scheduling 4. Allows redshirting that PL does not 5. A chance to schedule a winning record but with unfamiliar opponents Con1. May be seen as a de-emphasis, reduced visibility with recruits ("What conference are you in?") 2. Difficulty scheduling opponents in Oct-Nov. due to conference schedules 3. Likely pushback from PL teams to schedule them out of conference 4. No video coverage; unlikely GU would foot the bill for production. 5. No chance at playoffs (as opposed to "almost" no chance in PL) Georgetown would leave the PL partly because of our institutional decision not to fund scholarships and the resulting talent disparity in the PL, so charting our "own course on scholarships" isn't really a pro at all. We're not leaving the PL so that we can fund scholarships. Once we've left a conference and have literally no chance of making the playoffs (rather than just figuratively), why would the school accommodate MORE underqualified football players rather than less? Leaving the PL would be deepmhasizing football. We're not doing that to admit underqualified students for the largest roster on campus. Redshirting could happen here and there, but it's not really much of a pro. Without scholarships, redshirting also means kids have to pay an extra year of tuition. Not a lot of athletes doing that at Georgetown in any sport that aren't on scholarship.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 23, 2016 19:49:48 GMT -5
Once we've left a conference and have literally no chance of making the playoffs (rather than just figuratively), why would the school accommodate MORE underqualified football players rather than less? Leaving the PL would be deepmhasizing football. We're not doing that to admit underqualified students for the largest roster on campus. Curious as how you define underqualified. Does Georgetown take more underqualified track runners and soccer players, too?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 24, 2016 2:08:57 GMT -5
Once we've left a conference and have literally no chance of making the playoffs (rather than just figuratively), why would the school accommodate MORE underqualified football players rather than less? Leaving the PL would be deepmhasizing football. We're not doing that to admit underqualified students for the largest roster on campus. Curious as how you define underqualified. Does Georgetown take more underqualified track runners and soccer players, too? Students who wouldn't get in without athletic preference. Since we're trying to abandon the AI, I assume you'd be for targeting students who are even further away from the typical non-athlete admission standards. We take underqualified students in every sport, but if we're de-emphasizing football, why would you simultaneously lower admissions standards? I'll assume you agreed with my other points.
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