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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 9, 2016 18:09:59 GMT -5
You take a commitment from him now and you signal to all other 2017 and 2018 recruits that you're not serious about playing an up-tempo style. Opposing recruiters will hammer that home to all fast guards/wings that might be interested in Georgetown. You think Keldon Johnson wants a plodding 7'5" guy running with him and Tremont Waters? If this kid is as tight with Dikembe as he appears to be, you take nothing more than a silent commitment and you let the rest of the process play out. While I get your point, there is a counterargument:(1)He probably doesn't even see the floor for a year, maybe two, plus (2)If you have a guy who can grab rebounds, maybe even dominate the boards (I said IF), you can cheat for the outlet pass and take off more quickly, plus if you have a shot blocker you can apply more pressure on defense and still be protected at the rim. But if we are comfortable that his relationship with Deke steers him our way, it would seem you can sit tight for a little while.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 9, 2016 18:29:03 GMT -5
No. Right now he literally can't play at all. Doesn't even see the floor in high school because he can't get up and down the floor. I remember the two plodding 7' projects that came to GU and both made the NBA. The question is: does the kid have the cojones to work as hard as the other two to make the NBA? There is no comparison between him and, say, Roy Hibbert. We didn't even want to take Mamadou N'Diaye or Tacko Fall, and both of those kids actually PLAYED in high school. This kid is so far behind those two, it's a different world.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 9, 2016 20:49:23 GMT -5
I remember the two plodding 7' projects that came to GU and both made the NBA. The question is: does the kid have the cojones to work as hard as the other two to make the NBA? There is no comparison between him and, say, Roy Hibbert. We didn't even want to take Mamadou N'Diaye or Tacko Fall, and both of those kids actually PLAYED in high school. This kid is so far behind those two, it's a different world. Dead wrong! We would have jumped at n'diaye or fall had they wanted to become Hoyas. N'diaye had a medical condition and wanted to stay close to home.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 9, 2016 23:56:02 GMT -5
There is no comparison between him and, say, Roy Hibbert. We didn't even want to take Mamadou N'Diaye or Tacko Fall, and both of those kids actually PLAYED in high school. This kid is so far behind those two, it's a different world. Dead wrong! We would have jumped at n'diaye or fall had they wanted to become Hoyas. N'diaye had a medical condition and wanted to stay close to home. Then my memory was off. Still standing by the fact that I'd be surprised if this kid got offers from anywhere unless he actually starts to play in high school. If Bullis won't put him on the floor, he has ZERO chance of playing at Georgetown, even with "development".
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2016 0:26:22 GMT -5
Dead wrong! We would have jumped at n'diaye or fall had they wanted to become Hoyas. N'diaye had a medical condition and wanted to stay close to home. Then my memory was off. Still standing by the fact that I'd be surprised if this kid got offers from anywhere unless he actually starts to play in high school. If Bullis won't put him on the floor, he has ZERO chance of playing at Georgetown, even with "development". Plenty of time to monitor the kid... we'll see what happens...
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Post by dense on Dec 10, 2016 2:12:59 GMT -5
I remember the two plodding 7' projects that came to GU and both made the NBA. The question is: does the kid have the cojones to work as hard as the other two to make the NBA? There is no comparison between him and, say, Roy Hibbert. We didn't even want to take Mamadou N'Diaye or Tacko Fall, and both of those kids actually PLAYED in high school. This kid is so far behind those two, it's a different world. yeah and Tacko is looking great this year. scored 20 against Nova.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 3:48:43 GMT -5
I'm with POD on this until I see evidence he can play at this level... On a side note think this is much ado about nothing because if he does play at Gtown he'll probably be a walk on..
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Post by daymondmyles on Dec 11, 2016 10:40:29 GMT -5
A 7'5 walk on. My heart just exploded with joy.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 11, 2016 17:16:52 GMT -5
I'm with POD on this until I see evidence he can play at this level... On a side note think this is much ado about nothing because if he does play at Gtown he'll probably be a walk on.. I doubt he will walk on. We have 13 scholarships and at most 10 play, that leaves room for at least 1 project. As someone else said, you can't teach size, plus he has a bit of touch on his shots (without defense). If you look at Roy around the same time, he look just the same (just 4 inches shorter); except his HS offense wasn't trying to push the ball. To your point, he hasn't shown that he can play at this level, so an early commitment would not scare away any better guys. Especially since you can be honest that he is just a project (which is evident).
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 11, 2016 21:35:05 GMT -5
I'm with POD on this until I see evidence he can play at this level... On a side note think this is much ado about nothing because if he does play at Gtown he'll probably be a walk on.. I doubt he will walk on. We have 13 scholarships and at most 10 play, that leaves room for at least 1 project. As someone else said, you can't teach size, plus he has a bit of touch on his shots (without defense). If you look at Roy around the same time, he look just the same (just 4 inches shorter); except his HS offense wasn't trying to push the ball. To your point, he hasn't shown that he can play at this level, so an early commitment would not scare away any better guys. Especially since you can be honest that he is just a project (which is evident). Again: We should NEVER (and will not) offer a guy who hasn't even "developed" to the point where he can play high school basketball. He's not a project. A project is someone like Bradley Hayes or Trey Mourning. George Muresean actually played in high school, averaged some okay numbers, and he will never play because he's not even at a "project" level of talent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 21:58:46 GMT -5
Wait - why do we think this kid isn't good enough to play in HS? I'm assuming his lack of appearances has gotta be eligibility concerns, right?
There might be 5 to 10 high schools in the country where a 7'5" guy who can move -- at least as well as that video shows -- wouldn't play a lick. Bullis is certainly not one of them.
I don't see any stats for him at all. I'm not saying he's good enough for a big-time D1 ball, but -- he's gotta be good enough to play at Bullis.
Has he never played? And they're spoon-feeding him rules of the game? That form on his free throws would suggest otherwise - it's not terrible.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 11, 2016 22:57:15 GMT -5
Wait - why do we think this kid isn't good enough to play in HS? I'm assuming his lack of appearances has gotta be eligibility concerns, right? There might be 5 to 10 high schools in the country where a 7'5" guy who can move -- at least as well as that video shows -- wouldn't play a lick. Bullis is certainly not one of them. I don't see any stats for him at all. I'm not saying he's good enough for a big-time D1 ball, but -- he's gotta be good enough to play at Bullis. Has he never played? And they're spoon-feeding him rules of the game? That form on his free throws would suggest otherwise - it's not terrible. I agree but the kid was part of a national program in his home country that was focused on finding prospects. He may have a way to go before he is effective on any level (even IAC ball) but as long as we can assist his path to the next level, I see no reason to pass him by already. For an example of IAC Varsity basketball: we may have gotten Roy and Markel from that level, but I also personally guarded Roy (in 15-20 point losses) where he was not impressive overall (especially not at an NBA level). He's now been an NBA all-star after barely playing against 6'5" centers in HS. As has been said, you can't teach height and some shooting touch can go a long way. (Then again his HS front court was consisted of a 7'1 C, 6'9 PF, and a 6'7 SF which would be impressive on any level)
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 11, 2016 23:22:40 GMT -5
Wait - why do we think this kid isn't good enough to play in HS? I'm assuming his lack of appearances has gotta be eligibility concerns, right? There might be 5 to 10 high schools in the country where a 7'5" guy who can move -- at least as well as that video shows -- wouldn't play a lick. Bullis is certainly not one of them. I don't see any stats for him at all. I'm not saying he's good enough for a big-time D1 ball, but -- he's gotta be good enough to play at Bullis. Has he never played? And they're spoon-feeding him rules of the game? That form on his free throws would suggest otherwise - it's not terrible. I agree but the kid was part of a national program in his home country that was focused on finding prospects. He may have a way to go before he is effective on any level (even IAC ball) but as long as we can assist his path to the next level, I see no reason to pass him by already. For an example of IAC Varsity basketball: we may have gotten Roy and Markel from that level, but I also personally guarded Roy (in 15-20 point losses) where he was not impressive overall (especially not at an NBA level). He's now been an NBA all-star after barely playing against 6'5" centers in HS. As has been said, you can't teach height and some shooting touch can go a long way. (Then again his HS front court was consisted of a 7'1 C, 6'9 PF, and a 6'7 SF which would be impressive on any level) Trying to compare Roy to this kid is like comparing apples and a dumpster fire. Roy was a 4 star prospect from his freshman year of high school. There are big guys who are rough around the edges, and there are big guys who literally cannot get from one end of the floor to the other. Right now, Mountari is the latter. Maybe he can become the former, who knows, but saying we should offer him a scholly right now is internet fanboying inanity.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 12, 2016 1:51:58 GMT -5
I agree but the kid was part of a national program in his home country that was focused on finding prospects. He may have a way to go before he is effective on any level (even IAC ball) but as long as we can assist his path to the next level, I see no reason to pass him by already. For an example of IAC Varsity basketball: we may have gotten Roy and Markel from that level, but I also personally guarded Roy (in 15-20 point losses) where he was not impressive overall (especially not at an NBA level). He's now been an NBA all-star after barely playing against 6'5" centers in HS. As has been said, you can't teach height and some shooting touch can go a long way. (Then again his HS front court was consisted of a 7'1 C, 6'9 PF, and a 6'7 SF which would be impressive on any level) Trying to compare Roy to this kid is like comparing apples and a dumpster fire. Roy was a 4 star prospect from his freshman year of high school. There are big guys who are rough around the edges, and there are big guys who literally cannot get from one end of the floor to the other. Right now, Mountari is the latter. Maybe he can become the former, who knows, but saying we should offer him a scholly right now is internet fanboying inanity. Roy was a 3 star prospect by the time graduated HS, don't let his successes cloud your vision. The entire program proclaimed his Freshman year that he was a guy that couldn't run the court or do more then 3 pushups in the row. We will have a DEEP class in '18. I'm not saying give Mountari a scholarship at this immediate moment just that we may need to take a project in that class and why not someone who is 7'5".
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 12, 2016 9:28:07 GMT -5
I agree but the kid was part of a national program in his home country that was focused on finding prospects. He may have a way to go before he is effective on any level (even IAC ball) but as long as we can assist his path to the next level, I see no reason to pass him by already. For an example of IAC Varsity basketball: we may have gotten Roy and Markel from that level, but I also personally guarded Roy (in 15-20 point losses) where he was not impressive overall (especially not at an NBA level). He's now been an NBA all-star after barely playing against 6'5" centers in HS. As has been said, you can't teach height and some shooting touch can go a long way. (Then again his HS front court was consisted of a 7'1 C, 6'9 PF, and a 6'7 SF which would be impressive on any level) Trying to compare Roy to this kid is like comparing apples and a dumpster fire. Roy was a 4 star prospect from his freshman year of high school. There are big guys who are rough around the edges, and there are big guys who literally cannot get from one end of the floor to the other. Right now, Mountari is the latter. Maybe he can become the former, who knows, but saying we should offer him a scholly right now is internet fanboying inanity. This is the most insane revisionist history. Roy couldn't run, let alone dribble a basketball, as a freshman. He looked like a baby giraffe. There are pages and pages of old threads about how he would be a plodding project at best.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 12, 2016 9:40:46 GMT -5
This is the most insane revisionist history. Roy couldn't run, let alone dribble a basketball, as a freshman. He looked like a baby giraffe. There are pages and pages of old threads about how he would be a plodding project at best. "[In 2003-2004], Hibbert averaged 19 points, 17 rebounds, six blocks and three assists en route to being named a second-team Washington Post All-Met." www.thehoya.com/big-man-high/I'm dubious of mystery recruits. In today's 24/7 world, there are no 7-5 secrets, which is why Watara Mountari is less about the next Dikembe Mutombo and, for now, more about the next Neil Fingleton.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 12, 2016 10:43:39 GMT -5
He participated in a Basketball Without Borders camp this summer. Was recognized by the staff at the camp and sent to the US. www.fiba.com/news/biyombo-bledsoe-mbah-a-moute-mejri-sefolosha-and-zeller-headline-first-basketball-without-borders-camp-in-angolaI don't know what people expect. He's been in the US for less then half a year. He hasn't played AAU. This is his first season on US organized basketball. There are tons of secret recruits. There are ~3,428 foreigners playing basketball in the US currently (http://www.usbasket.com/Foreign-Players-in-America.asp). Have you heard of every one of those players? Hell Otto Porter was not well known in the recruiting scene. We even have an acronym for the guys that come out of nowhere (SRD). No one is saying he's on the track for the NBA. All that people are pointing out is that the guy is 7'5". Even if he can't move outside of the charge circle, his height alone is an asset. As for 04 All-Met selections, that's when they had 10 players on first time (as well as the POY) before they even get to the second team. If Roy was as great as everyone his saying his SR year, he would have been first team: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/hssports/longterm/allmets/winter04/basketball.htm . I love Roy, we competed in HS and were on campus at the same time at Georgetown but he was definitely considered raw. Not as raw as Watara but we haven't seen anything about him outside of a 5 minute practice session filmed with a Nokia.
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Post by turbohoya on Dec 12, 2016 10:57:18 GMT -5
Heart and willingness to work... if there are any signs that he wants to get better physically and skills wise, take him and make him work
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 12, 2016 11:52:47 GMT -5
Heart and willingness to work... if there are any signs that he wants to get better physically and skills wise, take him and make him work If the kid was interested in coming to Georgetown as a walk on, then you need to consider a 7'5" kid. Who knows if he can progress to the level where he could contribute, but I can't see using a scholarship on a player that can't get on the floor for his high school team. Just remember the last few years when the Hoyas had some injuries and then the next thing you know you have kids playing actual meaningful game minutes that do not belong in a Division 1 game. Scholarships need to go to players who you are confident have a good chance to be a contributor.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 12, 2016 12:16:08 GMT -5
Trying to compare Roy to this kid is like comparing apples and a dumpster fire. Roy was a 4 star prospect from his freshman year of high school. There are big guys who are rough around the edges, and there are big guys who literally cannot get from one end of the floor to the other. Right now, Mountari is the latter. Maybe he can become the former, who knows, but saying we should offer him a scholly right now is internet fanboying inanity. This is the most insane revisionist history. Roy couldn't run, let alone dribble a basketball, as a freshman. He looked like a baby giraffe. There are pages and pages of old threads about how he would be a plodding project at best. But his point still stands, this kid can barely put one foot in front of another for three consecutive steps...you do realize there are many more 7'+ ordinary people than basketball players right? Height isn't everything...
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