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Post by TC on May 12, 2017 8:51:07 GMT -5
The cynic in me has always said ACA was designed to catastrophically fail and be replaced by single payer which was always the Goal. The Heritage Foundation must really have been different in the 90's when they came up with this stuff.
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Post by Elvado on May 12, 2017 8:59:01 GMT -5
So I take it you do not concur that the Left's ultimate goal is single payer.
Fair enough.
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Post by aristides on May 12, 2017 9:12:03 GMT -5
In a shocking development, Aetna announces its intention to pull out of all ACA Exchanges. Anyone who was being honest about the ACA knew it was deeply flawed and likely unsustainable. Those chickens are now coming home to roost. The cynic in me has always said ACA was designed to catastrophically fail and be replaced by single payer which was always the Goal. The problem now is that the Democrat is no longer I. The White House... Of course the ACA had flaws. It would need a supportive administration to make corrections and changes as the healthcare marketplace evolves. I agree that it is likely unsustainable if there is a hostile administration endeavoring to see it fail. A single payer system where everyone could access affordable healthcare? What a nightmare. :-P
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:18:38 GMT -5
A single payer system where everyone could access affordable healthcare? What a nightmare. :-P It is a nightmare for those who see health care as a mere commodity.
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Post by Elvado on May 12, 2017 9:37:40 GMT -5
A single payer system where everyone could access affordable healthcare? What a nightmare. :-P It is a nightmare for those who see health care as a mere commodity. Show me one. And then explain why everyone comes here for medical care. After that, sign me up.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:51:19 GMT -5
Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,”
The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.
Then, the researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states. They found that more than 80 percent of these hospital visits were for emergency or urgent care (that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room). Only about 20 percent of the visits were for elective procedures or care.
Next, the authors of the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report — on the assumption that if Canadians were going to travel for health care, they would be more likely to go to the best-known and highest-quality facilities. Only one of the 11 hospitals that responded saw more than 60 Canadians in a year. And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.
Finally, the study’s authors examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey. In the previous year, 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care
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Post by tashoya on May 29, 2017 17:11:55 GMT -5
I just reread the title of this thread and it made me laugh.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 18:30:59 GMT -5
I just reread the title of this thread and it made me laugh. Nice catch... lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 20:50:07 GMT -5
So lets push for a plan that increases that number to 51 Million while providing 600 billion dollars in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 11:40:19 GMT -5
When asked why they're not releasing a draft of the bill, a Senate GOP aide actually said, "We're not stupid."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:19:18 GMT -5
Breaking: Senate Republicans aren't keeping their AHCA bill a secret because it's full of great stuff we'll all love...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 10:48:42 GMT -5
Confused... Your healthcare bill is "mean", let's throw a party??
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 14, 2017 13:00:29 GMT -5
This figure has been extracted from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report. Washington Post: According to the CBO, 64-year olds making $26,500 per year would see their premiums increase by an estimated 750 percent by 2026. While they are on track to pay $1,700 under the current law, the CBO projects the American Health Care Act would force them to pay $14,600. Even if you grant that inflation will allow them to make slightly more money by 2026, that's still about half of their income going to health care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 11:27:07 GMT -5
Then:
"And when it comes to a healthcare bill this bad, a little sunlight could go a long way" Tom Price
Obamacare had 100 Senate hearings and 161 amendments from Republicans. Health Committee markup for 60 hrs & 13 days. Finance Committee for 8 days. Full Senate debated for 25 days.
Now:
Trumpcare has had 0 Senate hearings and 0 amendments from Democrats.
Apart from declaring war after Pearl Harbor, Senate has *never* rammed through such major legislation w/o hearings. A bill to reshape 1/6th of the economy may get 10 hrs of debate if Mitch feels like it and we don't know a single detail....
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 20, 2017 19:14:06 GMT -5
This may be the single most asinine act by a controlling party in Congress in my lifetime. I don't even have a clue what to compare this to.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 20, 2017 23:15:48 GMT -5
This may be the single most asinine act by a controlling party in Congress in my lifetime. I don't even have a clue what to compare this to. The President himself said that health care is more complicated than anyone knows. What could possibly require discussion? That myopic statement alone should have been enough reason for detailed discussions. If the previous plan was "jammed" through and it was a bad plan, shouldn't the replacement plan be better considered and discussed/debated even more thoroughly than its predecessor?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 11:23:34 GMT -5
Crocodile tears.. It Only takes 3 Rs demanding hearings in order to get hearings...
ACA had 45+ hearings, AHCA no hearings.... Probably because it's super good..
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 21, 2017 18:13:49 GMT -5
Crocodile tears.. It Only takes 3 Rs demanding hearings in order to get hearings... ACA had 45+ hearings, AHCA no hearings.... Probably because it's super good.. Of course it's super good. And also super cheap, with super better care for everyone, except for the 20 million for which it won't be. But they don't count, so who cares.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 9:57:46 GMT -5
Nearly identical to the "mean" House bill
Medicaid covers: 64% of nursing home residents 60% of kids with disabilities 49% of births 20% of all Americans. Bill also waives essential benefits so those with pre existing conditions might be able to get basic coverage but insurers do not have to offer plans that cover their pre existing condition.....
On the bright side it provides 800 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans including $400 billion tax cut for the wealthiest 1% and a 3.8% reduction on investment income, capital gains and dividends.
Tax cuts for the wealthy in exchange for cutting benefits for expecting parents, premature babies, nursing home residents, and disabled kids ....
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 22, 2017 18:43:39 GMT -5
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