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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 7:16:56 GMT -5
I consider myself to be a moderate Republican with a few agreements on Democratic positions. I am deeply disturbed with the right wing of the Republican Party. This is a huge group and is basically distinct and separate from someone like me. I was watching one of the recent Trump rallies where the crowd interrupted him and started screaming "Ryan sucks." Trump did absolutely nothing to quell the disturbance. What is the matter with these people? And most important what is going to happen to the Republican party after the election. Is there a place in the Republican Party for me anymore?? Granted, the Democratic party has its fringe group of "crazies." But they don't seem to run things and for the most part they have come together with the mainstream Democratic faction.
What do you guys think?? My wife thinks that the Republican party may split in two.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 21, 2016 8:07:10 GMT -5
I consider myself to be a moderate Republican with a few agreements on Democratic positions. I am deeply disturbed with the right wing of the Republican Party. This is a huge group and is basically distinct and separate from someone like me. I was watching one of the recent Trump rallies where the crowd interrupted him and started screaming "Ryan sucks." Trump did absolutely nothing to quell the disturbance. What is the matter with these people? And most important what is going to happen to the Republican party after the election. Is there a place in the Republican Party for me anymore?? I would think so. Part of the problem in recent years has been the inability of the GOP to nominate stronger top-of-ballot candidates (Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney, DJT) and in doing so, it has allowed the nativists and alt-right to get a foothold into the discussion. Remember that it was William F. Buckley that pushed the GOP to purge itself of John Birchers in the 1960's. It was Barry Goldwater himself who wrote that "We cannot allow the emblem of irresponsibility to attach to the conservative banner," which is exactly what Trump has allowed via Steve Bannon (G'83) and the Infowars crowd. Maybe it's time for the Ben Sasses and Mindy Finns of the party to take their place at the head of the line and pass the torch to the next generation, a generation that frankly won't put up with repeating the painful lessons of 2016 going forward. And this isn't an issue solely for the GOP. The Democrats are staring down the abyss of a huuuuge lack of top-level talent for elections going forward--the current generation of Democrats won't be there at the next cycle. Who are the nationally prominent Democratic governors and senators under 50? There's no deep bench.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 21, 2016 8:19:01 GMT -5
I mostly concur with DFW here.
A more interesting question for me is whether we are moving to a place where enough people on both sides are disgusted enough that the abomination that is our current two party system will come under serious attack.
Trump and the Republicans are an horrific mess right now. When sunlight hits the shenanigans that the DNC has going on, they will not look a whole lot better.
Just a thought.
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Post by TC on Oct 21, 2016 8:42:51 GMT -5
And this isn't an issue solely for the GOP. The Democrats are staring down the abyss of a huuuuge lack of top-level talent for elections going forward--the current generation of Democrats won't be there at the next cycle. Who are the nationally prominent Democratic governors and senators under 50? There's no deep bench. Booker, Chris Murphy, Gillibrand, Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Castro. The problem with that line of thinking though is that at this point it's easier for a newer Senator like an Obama or Rubio without much of a record to be stained by to make the leap and be a frontrunner for 8 years from now isn't even on our radar yet. In 2000, no one knew who Obama was. My argument would be that the GOP really has the worse bench at this point. You've got an entire generation - Ryan, Rubio, Cruz, etc - that are now going to be damaged goods because they supported Trump. When they give their "principled conservatism" speeches people are going to laugh. The one exception is pretty much the entire Mormon delegation - Sasse, Flake, McMullin, Romney, Hunstman - they didn't put up with it. Everyone else did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 8:46:13 GMT -5
A more interesting question for me is whether we are moving to a place where enough people on both sides are disgusted enough that the abomination that is our current two party system will come under serious attack. Bingo. Big picture: both parties are a mess. The difference in 2016 was that you had 16 people running on the R side, and an anointed candidate on the D side. The fact that Bernie stayed relevant as long as he did was telling - but getting 15-20% in a 2-way race (sorry, Martin O'Malley and Lincoln Chafee) makes you a sideshow. Getting 15-20% in a 15-way race is winning.
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 21, 2016 11:56:34 GMT -5
I'm a liberal Republican, from the Lowell Weicker wing of the party. . .I think that there are about three of us left.
I have been thinking along the same lines as Jerry's wife for the better part of the past twelve months. The GOP that I joined years ago has been hijacked, and there is really no place in it for me any longer. Yet, I believe that the Democratic party will overreact in response to the hard right turn that the GOP has taken, and veer towards the socialist wing espoused by Bernie Sanders. I'm not comfortable with that direction either.
Is there a place in either party for liberal on social issue/conservative on fiscal issue individuals? I'm not seeing it right now. And that may be where the seeds are sown for the creation of a viable third party. . .and maybe even a viable fourth party.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 12:19:08 GMT -5
Hi NJhoya78!
I suspect that our political stances are pretty similar. I loved Weicker, and you are correct that there are vanishing few of us. I also agree that the Democratic party will veer to the left after the election. I am not sure what is going to happen after the election, but I don't feel good about it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 21, 2016 15:34:13 GMT -5
As a moderate Republican, I continue to cling to my fantasy that a clear defeat will somehow allow the party to fade the "deplorables" back into the woodwork; then as the Dems slant further left, and Hillary becomes even more arrogant and less likable, level heads will have 4 (okay 2 1/2 - 3) years to put forth a strong candidate to guarantee her legacy as a failed one-term "leader".
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Post by Elvado on Oct 21, 2016 16:17:27 GMT -5
As a moderate Republican, I continue to cling to my fantasy that a clear defeat will somehow allow the party to fade the "deplorables" back into the woodwork; then as the Dems slant further left, and Hillary becomes even more arrogant and less likable, level heads will have 4 (okay 2 1/2 - 3) years to put forth a strong candidate to guarantee her legacy as a failed one-term "leader". More arrogant? Less likable? Both are impossible
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Post by TC on Oct 21, 2016 16:44:11 GMT -5
Also likely : Republican Party runs Curt Schilling in 2020.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 21, 2016 16:45:18 GMT -5
As a moderate Republican, I continue to cling to my fantasy that a clear defeat will somehow allow the party to fade the "deplorables" back into the woodwork; then as the Dems slant further left, and Hillary becomes even more arrogant and less likable, level heads will have 4 (okay 2 1/2 - 3) years to put forth a strong candidate to guarantee her legacy as a failed one-term "leader". More arrogant? Less likable? Both are impossible Just you wait. She can do it.
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Post by Filo on Oct 25, 2016 6:55:45 GMT -5
As a moderate Republican, I continue to cling to my fantasy that a clear defeat will somehow allow the party to fade the "deplorables" back into the woodwork; then as the Dems slant further left, and Hillary becomes even more arrogant and less likable, level heads will have 4 (okay 2 1/2 - 3) years to put forth a strong candidate to guarantee her legacy as a failed one-term "leader". I am with you FF. A guy can dream, can't he? Unfortunately, TC is probably closer to the reality: Also likely : Republican Party runs Curt Schilling in 2020. The Republican party has been hijacked.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 25, 2016 7:58:17 GMT -5
As a moderate Republican, I continue to cling to my fantasy that a clear defeat will somehow allow the party to fade the "deplorables" back into the woodwork; then as the Dems slant further left, and Hillary becomes even more arrogant and less likable, level heads will have 4 (okay 2 1/2 - 3) years to put forth a strong candidate to guarantee her legacy as a failed one-term "leader". Unfortunately, the so-called "deplorables" are the base of the GOP. Hence, Pence/Trump per this poll will be the face of the party. To my mind, Pence is stained by his association with Trump. Even so, 51% of the GOP (or those who lean GOP) see Pence/Trump as the face of the GOP. (I wonder if Trump thinks this is a "rigged" poll?) www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-20/poll-shows-republicans-less-committed-to-trumpLindsey Graham's statement in 2013 regarding the "autopsy" of the GOP's loss has a large kernel of truth: “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2012/08/29/b9023a52-f1ec-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html
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Post by richfame on Oct 27, 2016 11:29:42 GMT -5
I think after this election is a good time for both parties to look in the mirror and actually come together and govern. Talking about the GOP I think they will have a nice crop of candidates that are moderate or certainly palatable to the general public. I really like Niki Haley I think she can be a super star. I also think Paul Ryan, Pence, Rubio can all be respectable candidates. I think the democrats will equally be sick of a lying, corrupt barely electable candidate and they will throw out some more center left candidates. I think this is the only saving grace from this circus of 2016.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 9, 2016 16:14:03 GMT -5
What do you guys think?? . I think they will end up with control of the White House, the Senate and the House.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:42:45 GMT -5
KChoya, you are one of the most thoughtful and insightful posters I have ever read. How were you able to come up with that? ?
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Post by kchoya on Nov 11, 2016 11:29:59 GMT -5
KChoya, you are one of the most thoughtful and insightful posters I have ever read. How were you able to come up with that? ? You need more question marks. I don't understand what you're asking. BTW, does your wife still think that the Republican party may split in two?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 11, 2016 14:26:43 GMT -5
I'm a liberal Republican, from the Lowell Weicker wing of the party. . .I think that there are about three of us left. I have been thinking along the same lines as Jerry's wife for the better part of the past twelve months. The GOP that I joined years ago has been hijacked, and there is really no place in it for me any longer. Yet, I believe that the Democratic party will overreact in response to the hard right turn that the GOP has taken, and veer towards the socialist wing espoused by Bernie Sanders. I'm not comfortable with that direction either. Is there a place in either party for liberal on social issue/conservative on fiscal issue individuals? I'm not seeing it right now. And that may be where the seeds are sown for the creation of a viable third party. . .and maybe even a viable fourth party. Maybe the LibCon party? Liberative? Conserveral? I like the concept but it will now be dormant for at least 4 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 14:53:18 GMT -5
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