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Post by hoyanewyorka on Oct 23, 2019 15:08:32 GMT -5
Jonathan Wallace says hello. HEY COACH! How are ya...for your last official GU duty, can you update the Georgetown home page roster for us. Thanx.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 23, 2019 16:50:37 GMT -5
I really think we need a stud PG in 2021. That said, you never know who will become available late this cycle.
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Post by hoyas315 on Oct 24, 2019 9:57:35 GMT -5
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Post by IDenj on Oct 24, 2019 10:34:01 GMT -5
I hope we can find a date for him come the end of February.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 24, 2019 11:19:16 GMT -5
I hope we can find a date for him come the end of February. Why then?
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Post by IDenj on Oct 24, 2019 11:44:52 GMT -5
Just sound funny when he’s scheduling a visit 4 months from now.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 24, 2019 11:45:20 GMT -5
Translation, he’s waiting on UNC and Duke. Lol...that is exactly how I reacted to it too. For a while this summer and even throughout the early portions of the fall, the prevailing thought was that Josh Hall would hold off on signing until spring. That has changed, his father told Rivals.com. While a commitment date has not been yet, one will be made within the next two weeks. This decision to make a decision comes following his official visit to NC State over the weekend. Don’t count this as a done deal for the Wolfpack just yet because Hall could potentially take two more official visits. Louisville, which already hosted him last month, remains in the picture, but DePaul and LSU could also have a say. Hall is a talented prospect that broke out this summer and now sits within the top-25 of his class. Blessed with plenty of upside, talent and the ball skills for someone of his stature, Hall can handle, score and defend various positions. Over the next few days, a commitment date should be known, which will lead to a November signing. NC State may have the talk for now but a visit to DePaul and/or LSU could change the entire dynamic surrounding one of the best available seniors this year. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-point-play-bluebloods-josh-hall-point-guard-needs
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 25, 2019 1:45:43 GMT -5
I was thinking more like 6'10. he played on Zach Ervin's AAU team. He is not an unknown asset. I'm sure he will be a fine mid major player but we can't be using ships based on reaches unless we are in dire need which we aren't right now. There will be much better options in this cycle. Honestly I'm surprised he didn't pull the trigger as soon as he got the offer. He played for Bobby Maze's AAU team fwiw. He's from Tennessee. I think you're overreacting a bit. 1) Plenty of kids get offered by various schools it doesn't mean they can pull the trigger right away. If that was the case Sherwyn Devonish would have been a Hoya. 2) It's not like he would have to come in and play major minutes. He could develop for a few years and be a high quality back-up (possibly more) as a Junior-Senior. You need those types of pieces as well. The difference between HM and MM isn't really that vast. I know exactly who he played for that’s why I quoted his teammate. 1. I know that was the point of me saying that. 2. Yeah he could be Steph but more than likely he will be recruited over and end up at UTSA or decide he doesn’t want to get limited playing time until he develops late in his career. In this new era you don’t need to waste scholarships on reaches/late developers. Let them go to the small school and if they do develop you can get them in the new college basketball free agency.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 2:44:51 GMT -5
He played for Bobby Maze's AAU team fwiw. He's from Tennessee. I think you're overreacting a bit. 1) Plenty of kids get offered by various schools it doesn't mean they can pull the trigger right away. If that was the case Sherwyn Devonish would have been a Hoya. 2) It's not like he would have to come in and play major minutes. He could develop for a few years and be a high quality back-up (possibly more) as a Junior-Senior. You need those types of pieces as well. The difference between HM and MM isn't really that vast. I know exactly who he played for that’s why I quoted his teammate. 1. I know that was the point of me saying that. 2. Yeah he could be Steph but more than likely he will be recruited over and end up at UTSA or decide he doesn’t want to get limited playing time until he develops late in his career. In this new era you don’t need to waste scholarships on reaches/late developers. Let them go to the small school and if they do develop you can get them in the new college basketball free agency. We'll see how it goes. Offering a kid is the easiest part of recruiting. Some kids pick up offers and never hear from the staff that offered them again. No reason to overreact to it.. Since you're using him as an example for the point you're making, what recruit did Grayson prevent from coming here by his presence?? In this day and age kids get recruited over all the time. Kids transfer all the time. If he's the example you're using for your cautionary tale than you kind of just proved it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 25, 2019 4:12:34 GMT -5
Post-grad: Zim Nwokeji (Florida State), 6’10” Aundre Polk’20 6’4” Raheim Moss’20 6’7” Chad Baker’20 ————————— HS: 6’4” Omer Yasir Kucuk’20 6’6” Aniwaniwa Tait-Jones’20 were among the standouts
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 25, 2019 9:38:54 GMT -5
I know exactly who he played for that’s why I quoted his teammate. 1. I know that was the point of me saying that. 2. Yeah he could be Steph but more than likely he will be recruited over and end up at UTSA or decide he doesn’t want to get limited playing time until he develops late in his career. In this new era you don’t need to waste scholarships on reaches/late developers. Let them go to the small school and if they do develop you can get them in the new college basketball free agency. We'll see how it goes. Offering a kid is the easiest part of recruiting. Some kids pick up offers and never hear from the staff that offered them again. No reason to overreact to it.. Since you're using him as an example for the point you're making, what recruit did Grayson prevent from coming here by his presence?? In this day and age kids get recruited over all the time. Kids transfer all the time. If he's the example you're using for your cautionary tale than you kind of just proved it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. It’s impossible to know who he prevented when they commit early. If it’s a last minute offer and the scholarship was going to go unused then maybe it’s fine. I still wouldn’t do it. My point was there is no reason to do it now. There is still a lot of time left in this cycle. Maybe we were just doing someone a favor with this which is fine but the optics are bad IMO considering it came in the heels of losing RJ.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 9:49:15 GMT -5
We'll see how it goes. Offering a kid is the easiest part of recruiting. Some kids pick up offers and never hear from the staff that offered them again. No reason to overreact to it.. Since you're using him as an example for the point you're making, what recruit did Grayson prevent from coming here by his presence?? In this day and age kids get recruited over all the time. Kids transfer all the time. If he's the example you're using for your cautionary tale than you kind of just proved it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. It’s impossible to know who he prevented when they commit early. If it’s a last minute offer and the scholarship was going to go unused then maybe it’s fine. I still wouldn’t do it. My point was there is no reason to do it now. There is still a lot of time left in this cycle. Maybe we were just doing someone a favor with this which is fine but the optics are bad IMO considering it came in the heels of losing RJ. No it's not. The answer is none. It's not real until you start seeing OV's happen. The optics? You're so dramatic. C'mon dude, nobody is even paying attention, and the kid isn't as bad as your posts suggest at all...
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 25, 2019 14:21:00 GMT -5
It’s impossible to know who he prevented when they commit early. If it’s a last minute offer and the scholarship was going to go unused then maybe it’s fine. I still wouldn’t do it. My point was there is no reason to do it now. There is still a lot of time left in this cycle. Maybe we were just doing someone a favor with this which is fine but the optics are bad IMO considering it came in the heels of losing RJ. No it's not. The answer is none. It's not real until you start seeing OV's happen. The optics? You're so dramatic. C'mon dude, nobody is even paying attention, and the kid isn't as bad as your posts suggest at all... How can you say none? How would we ever know unless Pat pulled a ship off a kid that already committed which let’s hope he never does. If Grayson wouldn’t have committed so early there is a good chance his ship would’ve been used on someone better than him. Pat cast him aside after 1 year. As for Dante I don’t think he is anywhere near the level that we should be bringing using a scholarship on at this point. He’s a fine player that will play D1 ball which means he’s obviously a good basketball player. If he matures and becomes worthy and we bring him in in 3-4 years then great but I’ve watched him and he’s not it now. Why waste a scholarship for 2-3 years to get 1-2 good years when you don’t have to anymore? If you think differently on him than OK you are entitled to that and we will just see how it plays out.Hopefully he turns into the latest Sherwyn though as that was great entertainment. The game has changed even from when Jonathan Wallace come in. You don’t have to find the diamonds in the rough anymore and develop them. Let someone else do it and have them transfer in and say their previous coach yelled too loud at them once so they can get the waiver. Pat has shown to play that game better than most so keep the scholarships available. I know there is a small chance Dante gets an actual committable offer so this is more to the bigger point of what’s the point unless it’s a favor or an angle to get in some coaches good graces.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:50:45 GMT -5
No it's not. The answer is none. It's not real until you start seeing OV's happen. The optics? You're so dramatic. C'mon dude, nobody is even paying attention, and the kid isn't as bad as your posts suggest at all... How can you say none? How would we ever know unless Pat pulled a ship off a kid that already committed which let’s hope he never does. If Grayson wouldn’t have committed so early there is a good chance his ship would’ve been used on someone better than him. Pat cast him aside after 1 year. As for Dante I don’t think he is anywhere near the level that we should be bringing using a scholarship on at this point. He’s a fine player that will play D1 ball which means he’s obviously a good basketball player. If he matures and becomes worthy and we bring him in in 3-4 years then great but I’ve watched him and he’s not it now. Why waste a scholarship for 2-3 years to get 1-2 good years when you don’t have to anymore? If you think differently on him than OK you are entitled to that and we will just see how it plays out.Hopefully he turns into the latest Sherwyn though as that was great entertainment. The game has changed even from when Jonathan Wallace come in. You don’t have to find the diamonds in the rough anymore and develop them. Let someone else do it and have them transfer in and say their previous coach yelled too loud at them once so they can get the waiver. Pat has shown to play that game better than most so keep the scholarships available. I know there is a small chance Dante gets an actual committable offer so this is more to the bigger point of what’s the point unless it’s a favor or an angle to get in some coaches good graces. Because when Grayson left we were over the scholarship number. There was a lot of convo on the board about that when it happened. So right or wrong if Pat wants a kid he's willing to go over the number and work out the roster later. It's big boy basketball my friend. Wether that's a convo with an incoming kid, or a kid already on the roster, if he wants a player he's not going to let the scholarship number stop him. I don't think you, or any of us for that matter, have seen him enough to know much about his skill level. So maybe just chill and see how it plays out before you go all crazy over an offer. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 25, 2019 16:20:24 GMT -5
How can you say none? How would we ever know unless Pat pulled a ship off a kid that already committed which let’s hope he never does. If Grayson wouldn’t have committed so early there is a good chance his ship would’ve been used on someone better than him. Pat cast him aside after 1 year. As for Dante I don’t think he is anywhere near the level that we should be bringing using a scholarship on at this point. He’s a fine player that will play D1 ball which means he’s obviously a good basketball player. If he matures and becomes worthy and we bring him in in 3-4 years then great but I’ve watched him and he’s not it now. Why waste a scholarship for 2-3 years to get 1-2 good years when you don’t have to anymore? If you think differently on him than OK you are entitled to that and we will just see how it plays out.Hopefully he turns into the latest Sherwyn though as that was great entertainment. The game has changed even from when Jonathan Wallace come in. You don’t have to find the diamonds in the rough anymore and develop them. Let someone else do it and have them transfer in and say their previous coach yelled too loud at them once so they can get the waiver. Pat has shown to play that game better than most so keep the scholarships available. I know there is a small chance Dante gets an actual committable offer so this is more to the bigger point of what’s the point unless it’s a favor or an angle to get in some coaches good graces. Because when Grayson left we were over the scholarship number. There was a lot of convo on the board about that when it happened. So right or wrong if Pat wants a kid he's willing to go over the number and work out the roster later. It's big boy basketball my friend. Wether that's a convo with an incoming kid, or a kid already on the roster, if he wants a player he's not going to let the scholarship number stop him. I don't think you, or any of us for that matter, have seen him enough to know much about his skill level. So maybe just chill and see how it plays out before you go all crazy over an offer. That's all I'm saying. Grayson left after a year not before he ever set foot on campus. I don’t think Pat would pull a kids scholarship before he ever sets foot on campus. Maybe you do but I hope not and give him more credit than that. Yes I believe if Grayson doesn’t commit early that scholarship would’ve been used on someone better than Grayson. As for Dante I originally called out the silly notion that a coaches hype should be a reason to have a positive opinion on any player. I also said I don’t think Pat should allow him to take a scholarship, who cares about an offer. I’ve seen him play enough to think he’s not a Hoya level player but more importantly most every coach in the country has seen him and apparently doesn’t think he is. That’s why I mentioned him not being an unknown asset. For a player to be entering his senior year to have the level of offers and the ranking he has and actually being great likely means one of two things. He had an unbelievable growth spurt in the last 3 months or he played on some unknown AAU team so nobody saw him. That is why I made both those assertions because neither seem to be the case here. What did Pat see in the last 3 months which is essentially a dead period to offer now which just happened to be right after the guy he was pushing hardest for committed elsewhere? He hasn’t even played his first game of the season nor will he for over a month. I guess the better question is what are you seeing that no other big time college coach is?
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 25, 2019 16:23:39 GMT -5
Also what is the point of putting out an I committable offer (which I think we both agree it is) at this point if not for one of the reasons I described? Why not give it last week before RJ committed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:35:39 GMT -5
Because when Grayson left we were over the scholarship number. There was a lot of convo on the board about that when it happened. So right or wrong if Pat wants a kid he's willing to go over the number and work out the roster later. It's big boy basketball my friend. Wether that's a convo with an incoming kid, or a kid already on the roster, if he wants a player he's not going to let the scholarship number stop him. I don't think you, or any of us for that matter, have seen him enough to know much about his skill level. So maybe just chill and see how it plays out before you go all crazy over an offer. That's all I'm saying. Grayson left after a year not before he ever set foot on campus. I don’t think Pat would pull a kids scholarship before he ever sets foot on campus. Maybe you do but I hope not and give him more credit than that. Yes I believe if Grayson doesn’t commit early that scholarship would’ve been used on someone better than Grayson.As for Dante I originally called out the silly notion that a coaches hype should be a reason to have a positive opinion on any player. I also said I don’t think Pat should allow him to take a scholarship, who cares about an offer. I’ve seen him play enough to think he’s not a Hoya level player but more importantly most every coach in the country has seen him and apparently doesn’t think he is. That’s why I mentioned him not being an unknown asset. For a player to be entering his senior year to have the level of offers and the ranking he has and actually being great likely means one of two things. He had an unbelievable growth spurt in the last 3 months or he played on some unknown AAU team so nobody saw him. That is why I made both those assertions because neither seem to be the case here. What did Pat see in the last 3 months which is essentially a dead period to offer now which just happened to be right after the guy he was pushing hardest for committed elsewhere? He hasn’t even played his first game of the season nor will he for over a month. I guess the better question is what are you seeing that no other big time college coach is? Dude.... www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4397224/osun-osunniyiThere's way more to player evaluation than AAU performance. Xavier Pinson didn't even play on the Mac Irvin's A team and he ended up performing well as a frosh. Anyways, I’ll let you have it at this point. If you want to freak out over this offer, knock yourself out.
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Post by hoyas315 on Oct 26, 2019 7:34:10 GMT -5
NEPSAC EtomicB ! I’m always a fan of the Hoyas recruiting players from LC. On a related note, RJ Blakney who took an unofficial visit to Georgetown on 12/16/17 is doing a prep year at Loomis Chaffee this year.
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Post by hoyainla on Oct 26, 2019 13:18:01 GMT -5
Grayson left after a year not before he ever set foot on campus. I don’t think Pat would pull a kids scholarship before he ever sets foot on campus. Maybe you do but I hope not and give him more credit than that. Yes I believe if Grayson doesn’t commit early that scholarship would’ve been used on someone better than Grayson.As for Dante I originally called out the silly notion that a coaches hype should be a reason to have a positive opinion on any player. I also said I don’t think Pat should allow him to take a scholarship, who cares about an offer. I’ve seen him play enough to think he’s not a Hoya level player but more importantly most every coach in the country has seen him and apparently doesn’t think he is. That’s why I mentioned him not being an unknown asset. For a player to be entering his senior year to have the level of offers and the ranking he has and actually being great likely means one of two things. He had an unbelievable growth spurt in the last 3 months or he played on some unknown AAU team so nobody saw him. That is why I made both those assertions because neither seem to be the case here. What did Pat see in the last 3 months which is essentially a dead period to offer now which just happened to be right after the guy he was pushing hardest for committed elsewhere? He hasn’t even played his first game of the season nor will he for over a month. I guess the better question is what are you seeing that no other big time college coach is? Dude.... www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4397224/osun-osunniyiThere's way more to player evaluation than AAU performance. Xavier Pinson didn't even play on the Mac Irvin's A team and he ended up performing well as a frosh. Anyways, I’ll let you have it at this point. If you want to freak out over this offer, knock yourself out. I never freaked out over the offer. That is what you are not understanding. I said “Pat can’t panic and bring kids in just to fill spots” and “we can't be using ships based on reaches unless we are in dire need which we aren't right now“ and then I even said in a response to you I don’t care about an uncomittable offer. Either you aren’t reading or you just felt like coming at me for whatever reason. If he commits I’ll freak out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 16:12:31 GMT -5
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