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Post by deacon on Dec 28, 2019 9:27:41 GMT -5
Considering what has already transpired this season, I would like to think there’s zero chance this happens if Coach Ewing has a convo with Coach Turgeon about what it was like coaching them.
We can do better.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 28, 2019 10:06:30 GMT -5
To lock up two scholarships potentially on PFs/Cs who couldn’t even play until ‘21-‘22 would be roster malpractice. Post of the year. I wish I could retweet that.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 28, 2019 10:09:52 GMT -5
They were run after one semester. Not a season, but a semester. They aren't supremely talented enough to gamble on the laziness and immaturity going away.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 28, 2019 10:57:48 GMT -5
I am sure there is absolutely no chance they do this but If they want to stay together, have guaranteed playing time, stay local and they love Broadus...there is always Morgan State...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 11:10:18 GMT -5
Plenty of flags - red or not. But if there's ever a time to keep that door open, it's now.
We've got 5 empty spots for next year. The odds we get 5 guys to fill the roster who can help us (either next year or long-term) are 1 in it-ain't-gonna-happen.
Also - if Pat has reservations about Tim or Malcolm, and/or the twins would be available at the beginning of next year for some reason -- then you're inching closer to this being a move to consider.
The talent is obviously the biggest concern. If you don't think the twins will be better than Tim & Malcolm, then you don't consider it. But even w/ the bad taste of an early transfer, I assume you'd find many coaches who'd rather have the twins.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 28, 2019 11:47:06 GMT -5
Plenty of flags - red or not. But if there's ever a time to keep that door open, it's now. We've got 5 empty spots for next year. The odds we get 5 guys to fill the roster who can help us (either next year or long-term) are 1 in it-ain't-gonna-happen. Also - if Pat has reservations about Tim or Malcolm, and/or the twins would be available at the beginning of next year for some reason -- then you're inching closer to this being a move to consider. The talent is obviously the biggest concern. If you don't think the twins will be better than Tim & Malcolm, then you don't consider it. But even w/ the bad taste of an early transfer, I assume you'd find many coaches who'd rather have the twins. Five more spots and NONE of them needed at the FIVE spot. Until there is proof that one of the Mitchells can adequately play a lot of minutes at the four, that would mean five dudes who are essentially centers until evidence suggests they can play more than one position. And all of those five guys would have at least three years left of eligibility. The fanbase who complained that Ewing brought in three centers in one class are now okay with that number essentially being five for the class if the Mitchells join? Of course the way getting around that, as suggested above, is if Ighoefe or Wilson don't end up being good enough to get major minutes and leave the program. And isn't that just what Georgetown basketball needs, more destabilization? And I don't want to hear that talk about how this is just part of today's college basketball landscape. Do you know how many transfers that would be in Ewing's first three seasons? It used to be that when guys got scholarships but didn't live up to expectations, it would be no big deal if they stayed with the program and contributed in their own way until they graduated. Now there is an expectation for them to leave, at times even a desire by the fanbase for them to do so. But why? To open up scholarships? What's the point of that when people deride coaches for playing more than eight guys anyway? And if the Mitchelll twins replace Ighoefe and Wilson but don't meet needs or expectations, we would repeat the whole cycle over again? Also there is scuttlebutt going on now in real time on twitter that the twins were entitled malcontents who disrupted team chemistry and decided to quit their team because of impatience. They also kept moving around like this during high school. These are the guys you want to bring into the program? Hell, no.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 28, 2019 11:58:46 GMT -5
Plenty of flags - red or not. But if there's ever a time to keep that door open, it’s now. I’d argue the exact opposite. We just learned that entitled malcontents are a massive negative and you want to take on more? I’d rather have five scholarship players than take on someone who can’t be coached. And that’s before we consider that they aren’t that good and that we have much bigger positional needs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -5
Plenty of flags - red or not. But if there's ever a time to keep that door open, it’s now. I’d argue the exact opposite. We just learned that entitled malcontents are a massive negative and you want to take on more? I’d rather have five scholarship players than take on someone who can’t be coached. And that’s before we consider that they aren’t that good and that we have much bigger positional needs. That's a lot of assumptions.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 28, 2019 12:02:10 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on this. If they were guards or small forwards I think you could argue that despite any red flags it might be worthwhile to take the chance. But given that they’re at a position where we don’t have much need, do you really want to risk messing with chemistry?
That said we are talking mostly about next year where we don’t have much of a roster. So I could see why signing them could be tempting
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Post by IDenj on Dec 28, 2019 12:35:39 GMT -5
No thanks.
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Post by 804hoya on Dec 28, 2019 13:08:07 GMT -5
Pass
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 28, 2019 14:06:25 GMT -5
Maryland writer says they were sent packing by Turgeon. They were going to be suspended for a practice altercation. They were ranked top 5 preseason. You have to be pretty bad to get the boot so quickly on a team with high hopes.
Plus I just don't think they upgrade our talent level and I'm as down as anyone on our talent level.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Dec 28, 2019 14:12:42 GMT -5
Timothy Ighoefe just killed that idea, "WE DON'T NEED THE TWINS"! Timothy finished with 8 pts, 2 rebounds, in 5 minutes of play and iced it with a PROUD PAPA smile from coach PE!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 14:14:07 GMT -5
Timothy Ighoefe just killed that idea, "WE DON'T NEED THE TWINS"! Ha. You knew that was coming...
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Post by RBHoya on Dec 28, 2019 14:28:46 GMT -5
I didn't like them coming out of high school and was happy that they were going to take up 2 scholarships at Maryland rather than coming here. Given that we've since pulled in what I would consider to be 3 superior center prospects in Qudus, Tim and Malcolm, there's even less reason to consider this IMHO.
With all that's happened to our roster it makes sense for us to be in the market for "traditional" (ie. non graduate) transfers. But the twins don't play a position of need, and frankly, I never thought they were all that good. Given that they now seem to have attitude issues too, it's hard to find much to like here.
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Post by hoyavafan1 on Dec 28, 2019 14:34:08 GMT -5
Pass..
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 28, 2019 15:54:38 GMT -5
I didn't like them coming out of high school and was happy that they were going to take up 2 scholarships at Maryland rather than coming here. Given that we've since pulled in what I would consider to be 3 superior center prospects in Qudus, Tim and Malcolm, there's even less reason to consider this IMHO. With all that's happened to our roster it makes sense for us to be in the market for "traditional" (ie. non graduate) transfers. But the twins don't play a position of need, and frankly, I never thought they were all that good. Given that they now seem to have attitude issues too, it's hard to find much to like here. That's what I'm talking about, baby.
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Post by metaphor on Dec 29, 2019 0:39:17 GMT -5
We need guards and playmaking forwards, best of luck elsewhere.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 29, 2019 7:58:22 GMT -5
Not at all disagreeing about the risks of taking these two kids. Nor am I even slightly aware of their abilities and whether they would be an upgrade over what we have returning next year. But I do not understand the statement that the post is not a position of need for the Hoyas next year. It may be true that there are 3 posts likely to return to the team next year, but with 7 likely scholarships and only two filled, I think it is a major stretch to think that the Hoyas could not use a skilled post with an established game. Wilson has not played a second of ball this year and seems unlikely to do so. Ighoefe looks very much like a project who will take longer than one year to develop into a legitimate high major post. Wahab is athletic and energetic and works his tail off. That said, like Ighoefe, I have not seen anything to suggest that Wahab's offensive game is anywhere close to developed. Moreover, he struggles to stay on the floor so until he develops more on the defensive end he cannot be counted on for major minutes. There may be real potential returning in the post, but unless people are willing to turn next year into another rebuilding/development year, I think Ewing better go get a quality center, most likely a graduate transfer.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Dec 29, 2019 8:51:57 GMT -5
I realize we can’t wait 'til Tuesday for Providence and have to discuss something. But until the twins take a visit, this is nothing but speculation from a blogger saying the twins are almost gift wrapped for the Hoyas. Why? Because they are from the area? Because people say Coach collects big men? Have faith in Coach. Keep sending him emails about players you see on YouTube that you feel would benefit the program.
I apologize, this site is quite entertaining. I didn't give proper credit to the poster that referred to the other as a YouTube talent scout. Also the poster that called out the other because he allegedly has inside into and doesn't use it for good. I really look forward to coming here, although my comments don't always support that viewpoint.
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