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Post by Elvado on Aug 18, 2016 9:02:54 GMT -5
I love the deafening media silence about the President's decision to remain on MV during the catastrophic flooding in Louisiana.
You would think that he might interrupt his golf, fundraising and hobnobbing long enough for a visit. But, I accept that he is entitled to his vacation just like anyone else. I also recognize that any visit would be mostly symbolic and not operationally important.
I am simply surprised that he is not being called out for it.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Aug 18, 2016 9:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Aug 18, 2016 9:25:57 GMT -5
Glad to know someone is asking. Let's see if he can pry himself away from the Lobster bisque and left-leaning cocktail parties...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 13:32:09 GMT -5
" I also recognize that any visit would be mostly symbolic and not operationally important." but.....
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Post by njhoya78 on Aug 18, 2016 13:59:30 GMT -5
Just my two cents here...
By way of comparison, Obama was in New Jersey two days after Superstorm Sandy hammered the Jersey Shore; more symbolic than operationally important, but he was there. Arguably the impact on Louisiana is far greater, in terms of property damage and lives lost, than what happened in my own backyard in October 2012.
Whether it is mere symbolism otherwise, he should be there. Query: Does the fact that Louisiana projects as a "red" state in November 2016, as compared to New Jersey and New York being "blue" states in November 2012, have something to do with his perceived indifference to the victims of the flooding?
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Post by Elvado on Aug 18, 2016 14:09:25 GMT -5
" I also recognize that any visit would be mostly symbolic and not operationally important." but..... But he was happy to savage a former President in this very symbolism about 11 years ago. Sauce for the goose....
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Post by ksf42001 on Aug 18, 2016 14:11:07 GMT -5
Just my two cents here... By way of comparison, Obama was in New Jersey two days after Superstorm Sandy hammered the Jersey Shore; more symbolic than operationally important, but he was there. Arguably the impact on Louisiana is far greater, in terms of property damage and lives lost, than what happened in my own backyard in October 2012. Whether it is mere symbolism otherwise, he should be there. Query: Does the fact that Louisiana projects as a "red" state in November 2016, as compared to New Jersey and New York being "blue" states in November 2012, have something to do with his perceived indifference to the victims of the flooding? Sorry, but Sandy was far far worse than the current flooding in LA in terms of both property damage and lives lost. Over 150 people died (in the US alone) due to Sandy, with damages approaching $20B. There are disasters, and then there are Katrina/Sandy type disasters. The current flooding in Louisiana is bad, but probably no worse than the South Carolina flooding in October 2015 (which killed about 20 and has an estimated ~$250-75M in damages). As a point of comparison, there are individual projects on the Sandy disaster that are more than $1B (NYU Langone Hospital for example). Obama did the one thing he should have done, which is issue a disaster declaration immediately instead of waiting for damage assessments to come in, which can take weeks/months. Clarification - the $s I'm talking about are Public Assistance dollars only, not Individual Assistance or any CDBG-DR money that comes available...
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 18, 2016 18:44:25 GMT -5
With upwards of 100,000 people having their homes damaged or destroyed, I call the Louisiana situation a disaster. And the press severely criticized Bush for flying over the area of Katrina.
Of course, there is no double-standard. Nope, none at all.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 18, 2016 20:02:18 GMT -5
Just my two cents here... By way of comparison, Obama was in New Jersey two days after Superstorm Sandy hammered the Jersey Shore; more symbolic than operationally important, but he was there. Arguably the impact on Louisiana is far greater, in terms of property damage and lives lost, than what happened in my own backyard in October 2012. Whether it is mere symbolism otherwise, he should be there. Query: Does the fact that Louisiana projects as a "red" state in November 2016, as compared to New Jersey and New York being "blue" states in November 2012, have something to do with his perceived indifference to the victims of the flooding? Sorry, but Sandy was far far worse than the current flooding in LA in terms of both property damage and lives lost. Thanks for the info. Can you please let us know where the threshold is for when a President should show up at a natural disaster. Clearly it's somewhere more than 12 but less than 150 deaths. Is it 47? 72?
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Post by ksf42001 on Aug 18, 2016 20:12:10 GMT -5
Sorry, but Sandy was far far worse than the current flooding in LA in terms of both property damage and lives lost. Thanks for the info. Can you please let us know where the threshold is for when a President should show up at a natural disaster. Clearly it's somewhere more than 12 but less than 150 deaths. Is it 47? 72? Thank you for your contribution, now go away...
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Post by blueeagle on Aug 18, 2016 20:38:55 GMT -5
Where is he on vacation? Perhaps he should also swing by So Cal to offer symbolic and not operational assistance to those displaced by wildfires in the LA suburbs? Let's not forget Miami and those infected by the Zika virus.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 18, 2016 20:51:24 GMT -5
I think everyone should leave him be. He is busy insuring that no foursome goes unfilled at Farm Neck and that no pretentious restaurant has an empty seat.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 18, 2016 21:20:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. Can you please let us know where the threshold is for when a President should show up at a natural disaster. Clearly it's somewhere more than 12 but less than 150 deaths. Is it 47? 72? Thank you for your contribution, now go away... Way to avoid answering the question (not that I expected more from you).
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Post by kchoya on Aug 18, 2016 21:25:25 GMT -5
Where is he on vacation? Perhaps he should also swing by So Cal to offer symbolic and not operational assistance to those displaced by wildfires in the LA suburbs? Let's not forget Miami and those infected by the Zika virus. Some Democrats said Romney visited too soon, with so many residents still dealing with flooded homes and streets. But White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the Romney visit is a good thing. "It's always important to draw attention to the fact that individuals and families and business owners are profoundly affected by storms like Isaac," Carney said. --- You know in 1965, Lyndon Johnson was president during Hurricane Betsy. And he received a call from Russell Long who urged him to come to Louisiana and President Johnson said, “Don't worry, I'll send my best man.” Russell Long famously said, “We don't want your best man, we want you”. And president Johnson was in Louisiana the day after Hurricane Betsy and he went into a shelter that was darkened and had no electricity and it was night and he shined a flashlight in his face and he said, “I'm Lyndon Baines Johnson, and I’m your President, and I’m here to make sure you get all the help you need.”
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Post by ksf42001 on Aug 18, 2016 22:14:16 GMT -5
Thank you for your contribution, now go away... Way to avoid answering the question (not that I expected more from you). Oh, you actually wanted an answer? I had just assumed you were just being a dick, but apparently you were simply asking a sincere question in a dickish manner. Also, thanks for paying enough attention to have expectations for me (and my lowly 705 comments), it means a lot... My answer is that I don't care if the president visits a major disaster area or not. All I care is that FEMA (and the state/local emergency managers) does their job, which they apparently have been (not that FEMA does much in terms of immediate response). I'm just confused by the outcry for him not visiting Louisiana, when there wasn't for West Virginia a month ago, South Carolina in October, or any of the 10 major disaster declarations that were declared during the actual incident period (as opposed to the 30 others that were declared weeks/months later). What's happening in LA is absolutely terrible, but it's sadly not unprecedented even in the last 12 months in either damages or lives lost. My only point originally was that it was unfair to lambast Obama for visiting after Sandy and then not visiting Louisiana, because they aren't comparable events, and I still stand by that. Now, I will avidly await your dismissive one line reply, don't let me down...
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Post by SaxaCD on Aug 19, 2016 0:30:59 GMT -5
Where is he on vacation? Perhaps he should also swing by So Cal to offer symbolic and not operational assistance to those displaced by wildfires in the LA suburbs? Let's not forget Miami and those infected by the Zika virus. Some Democrats said Romney visited too soon, with so many residents still dealing with flooded homes and streets. But White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the Romney visit is a good thing. "It's always important to draw attention to the fact that individuals and families and business owners are profoundly affected by storms like Isaac," Carney said. --- You know in 1965, Lyndon Johnson was president during Hurricane Betsy. And he received a call from Russell Long who urged him to come to Louisiana and President Johnson said, “Don't worry, I'll send my best man.” Russell Long famously said, “We don't want your best man, we want you”. And president Johnson was in Louisiana the day after Hurricane Betsy and he went into a shelter that was darkened and had no electricity and it was night and he shined a flashlight in his face and he said, “I'm Lyndon Baines Johnson, and I’m your President, and I’m here to make sure you get all the help you need.” And you were expecting King O to start doing his job now, almost 8 years in, why exactly?
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Post by TC on Aug 19, 2016 1:00:12 GMT -5
Glad to know someone is asking. Let's see if he can pry himself away from the Lobster bisque and left-leaning cocktail parties... From the damned if you do damned if you don't department here's the 2012 thread where Elvado bitches about the President leaving his vacation early because his wife and children didn't leave too : hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/449571/thread
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Post by Elvado on Aug 19, 2016 5:12:23 GMT -5
Glad to know someone is asking. Let's see if he can pry himself away from the Lobster bisque and left-leaning cocktail parties... From the damned if you do damned if you don't department here's the 2012 thread where Elvado bitches about the President leaving his vacation early because his wife and children didn't leave too : hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/449571/threadRight. These two concerns are equivalent. Frankly, Louisiana is probably better off if he stays on the golf course. My point in opening this thread is to discuss the incredible kid glove job the media is doing on the Putter in Chief. Other Presidents would be savaged for insensitivity and "ineptitude" for staying on vacation. Not our Golfer...
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Post by tashoya on Aug 19, 2016 8:22:38 GMT -5
From the damned if you do damned if you don't department here's the 2012 thread where Elvado bitches about the President leaving his vacation early because his wife and children didn't leave too : hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/449571/threadRight. These two concerns are equivalent. Frankly, Louisiana is probably better off if he stays on the golf course. My point in opening this thread is to discuss the incredible kid glove job the media is doing on the Putter in Chief. Other Presidents would be savaged for insensitivity and "ineptitude" for staying on vacation. Not our Golfer... Your assessment of the kid gloves part aside, I'm surprised how little coverage in general both Louisiana and California are getting right now. Apparently, Ryan Lochte being an a-hole isn't 4+ year old news. Shameful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 9:34:49 GMT -5
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