hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 31, 2016 10:40:38 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 31, 2016 10:57:58 GMT -5
Just yesterday I showed ID to use my credit card...
Why would I need one to vote?
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Jul 31, 2016 15:38:18 GMT -5
Just yesterday I showed ID to use my credit card... Why would I need one to vote? Privilege vs. Right
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Jul 31, 2016 15:48:14 GMT -5
Just yesterday I showed ID to use my credit card... Why would I need one to vote? Privilege vs. Right So I don't need to show an ID to purchase a firearm?
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Post by strummer8526 on Jul 31, 2016 15:53:28 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 31, 2016 16:39:26 GMT -5
Just yesterday I showed ID to use my credit card... Why would I need one to vote? Privilege vs. Right If I have to register and they keep track of who is voting, it seems logical I might have to prove who I am before I do. Just for clarification, I think voting should be made easier not harder. That said, proving that you are who you claim to be does not seem all that onerous.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jul 31, 2016 17:13:06 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 31, 2016 17:16:28 GMT -5
Perhaps those cards would be acceptable if one had to be a citizen to get one
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TC
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Post by TC on Jul 31, 2016 17:40:07 GMT -5
Again, stop pretending. You don't need to be a citizen to get a driver's license.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jul 31, 2016 17:50:40 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this race. Just making an observation. You would agree that only citizens should have the right to vote though, correct?
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 31, 2016 18:03:17 GMT -5
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 31, 2016 20:21:47 GMT -5
Yeah that was silly -- EVERY voter should have to provide a valid, non-screw-aroundable ID, and it should be easy or free to get. You need an ID to vote here in the Philippines (where the population is much poorer, and where substandard technology often means waiting in excruciating lines), and you needed one in Australia, when I was there. Cut out the silly loopholes for "favored" groups and make it fair for everybody, but to protect the integrity of the process, valid IDs should be part of the process.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 31, 2016 20:57:32 GMT -5
Of all the NC transgressions, I'd say voter ID ranks near the bottom. But let's not downplay the issue. Make no mistake, the manner in which they attempted to implement ID and the stated reasons they put forth are huge problems. The larger issue, IMO, is that the GOP in NC, Kansas, and Wisconsin (and other states as well) would be so blatently, openly racist in their attempts to influence elections by curtailing the right to vote. Heaven help that they would win elections by the force of their ideas. Since that works less effectively as time marches on, their solution is to attempt to manipulate the system. Win by putting forth ideas for which people will vote, not by gaming the system. We shouldn't have to fight that battle all over again. There are too many battles, like racially biased policing, yet to be won.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Aug 1, 2016 12:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 1, 2016 12:31:11 GMT -5
After moving away from Nevada 10 years ago, my son still keeps getting the voting material for Nevada elections. We have tried many times to get him removed from the list. All that is needed besides this voting material is his signature. I could forge his signature and vote twice (which I would NOT ever do), but it seems a loop hole for one person one vote in Nevada. In this case a photo ID would be helpful.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 1, 2016 13:10:19 GMT -5
After moving away from Nevada 10 years ago, my son still keeps getting the voting material for Nevada elections. We have tried many times to get him removed from the list. All that is needed besides this voting material is his signature. I could forge his signature and vote twice (which I would NOT ever do), but it seems a loop hole for one person one vote in Nevada. In this case a photo ID would be helpful. Careful Nevada. You are sounding strangely bigoted in your thought process.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 13:34:18 GMT -5
They specifically targeted African Americans.. This isn't even a debate, no idea how anyone can defend this action or claim indifference...
You guys are caught up on ID but this law went way beyond ID. They requested information on how different races voted and then based on that info moved to limit or remove those practices preferred by blacks..
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Post by badgerhoya on Aug 2, 2016 0:52:29 GMT -5
Yeah that was silly -- EVERY voter should have to provide a valid, non-screw-aroundable ID, and it should be easy or free to get. You need an ID to vote here in the Philippines (where the population is much poorer, and where substandard technology often means waiting in excruciating lines), and you needed one in Australia, when I was there. Cut out the silly loopholes for "favored" groups and make it fair for everybody, but to protect the integrity of the process, valid IDs should be part of the process. Keep in mind that in most places around the world, there's some sort of national ID card that people have to have. It's only natural, therefore, to have to provide that for any quasi-governmental function. If the US ended up mandating something like this - replacing the notorious Social Security card - that could be the way to make it work. However, given the variety of obstacles that states put in the ID issuing process - not to mention the investment of time - it seems that you're always going to run up against the issue of racial and poverty-based discrepancies in who doesn't have an ID.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Aug 2, 2016 1:05:38 GMT -5
Yeah that was silly -- EVERY voter should have to provide a valid, non-screw-aroundable ID, and it should be easy or free to get. You need an ID to vote here in the Philippines (where the population is much poorer, and where substandard technology often means waiting in excruciating lines), and you needed one in Australia, when I was there. Cut out the silly loopholes for "favored" groups and make it fair for everybody, but to protect the integrity of the process, valid IDs should be part of the process. Keep in mind that in most places around the world, there's some sort of national ID card that people have to have. It's only natural, therefore, to have to provide that for any quasi-governmental function. If the US ended up mandating something like this - replacing the notorious Social Security card - that could be the way to make it work. However, given the variety of obstacles that states put in the ID issuing process - not to mention the investment of time - it seems that you're always going to run up against the issue of racial and poverty-based discrepancies in who doesn't have an ID. The two places I mentioned don't have national ID cards. I think in the US we are running up against motivational discrepancies WAY more than racial or poverty-based, but I do agree that state governments should make it as easy as possible and reduce as many obstacles as possible, while still making sure the IDs match the voters. IF there is great inconvenience, it wouldn't work, but if there is only minor inconvenience, then that should be a small price to pay for civic responsibility, unless we really are evolving to a WALL-E culture of never moving at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 12:27:59 GMT -5
What ID do you need to show to vote by absentee/vote by mail ballot? Or to get registered to vote by Absentee? As a person who has registered people in this manner the answer is NONE. Last four of your social or if you know your DL/ID number that is sufficient. At no point do you have to show ID to vote by mail. Hard to argue these laws are to prevent voter fraud when there's a different set of rules for one process of voting than another
There is no credible evidence that in-person impersonation voter fraud, the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent, is even a minor problem. They exclude Absentee/Vote by mail voting why? All of the evidence says this is where the most examples of fraud occur. Out of the 6 laws struck down this week only Wisconsin tackled absentee voting. It seems to me since a person would have a difficult time being 2 places at once that absentee would be the best way to vote in multiple elections, no? In state your voter imprint is tied to either your Social or ID/DL number so easier to recognize a double vote.
These Laws that popped up remarkably after the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Right Act are meant to target specific groups of voters and suppress their vote. They are not meant to protect the sanctity of our elections they are meant to discriminate. The facts are most people are apathetic about voting. Our elections are being decided by between 40-60% of the population in a given year. IMO that is a bigger problem than stopping a "massive Voter fraud" problem that does not exist.
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