Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 6, 2016 21:02:04 GMT -5
Democrat Party loves to campaign and bitch. They are what they are. You and the party have something in common. Man, that sounds just like you. I don't waste my time campaigning... Get it right. I only bitch...
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Post by TC on Dec 6, 2016 21:23:04 GMT -5
If the desire is merely to audit the vote to learn something before the next election, why are we only doing it in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania? We're not only doing it in only three states, those are just the three states the Green Party targeted because it would make a compelling case for them to raise $ off of Democrats. A simple trip through Google reveals : a) recount filed in Nevada by some guy named Rocky de la Fuente who got 2,552 votes and has no chance of winning but somehow has 5 figures to throw to a recount (wonder who's funding a recount in a Clinton-won state? hmmm) b) North Carolina GOV, partial recount driven by Republicans b) Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania : Green Party c) apparently there's a voter-driven suit for a recount in Florida But to your question, why aren't we auditing the vote nationwide? We should - it would increase faith in the system and probably help increase participation. Neither of those things are things the Republican Party wants because they want people to believe there is voter fraud so they can pass strict voter ID laws and all sorts of voter registration restrictions. Since elections are state-by-state, someone needs to file in every state, and recounts have a cost associated with them. Trump alleges 3 million fraudulent votes in California - where it looks like the only bar to a recount is financial (http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/regulations/current-regulations/elections/recounts/ - it reads like any voter can request a recount). But no one will challenge because we all know what Trump is saying is utter bull Edited.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 6, 2016 22:13:43 GMT -5
You and the party have something in common. Man, that sounds just like you. I don't waste my time campaigning... Get it right. I only bitch... LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:31:32 GMT -5
76% turnout?
Seems like those are good stats... So what the catch, what is the argument against Automatic Voter registration?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 7, 2016 12:38:33 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with automatic voter registration just as there is nothing wrong with asking a voter to prove they are who they purport to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 12:47:09 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with automatic voter registration just as there is nothing wrong with asking a voter to prove they are who they purport to be. Then why are the majority of Laws coming out of Red States targeted at limiting access and not the other? What does Voter ID have to do with cutting Early Voting hours or limiting early voting locations to one per county? If proving who you are who you say you are is the reason for these laws and you don't need ID to vote by mail, why don't they target VBM voting, a popular form of voting on the right? In Oregon when you get a DL or ID card you are auto registered seems like that solves both problems, does it not?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 8, 2016 12:51:00 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with automatic voter registration just as there is nothing wrong with asking a voter to prove they are who they purport to be. Then why are the majority of Laws coming out of Red States targeted at limiting access and not the other? What does Voter ID have to do with cutting Early Voting hours or limiting early voting locations to one per county? If proving who you are who you say you are is the reason for these laws and you don't need ID to vote by mail, why don't they target VBM voting, a popular form of voting on the right? In Oregon when you get a DL or ID card you are auto registered seems like that solves both problems, does it not? It just might. For the record, I think it is a crime that we don't have 100% voting rate among legal, registered voters. Anything that will improve the participation rate in that group, I favor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 10:36:38 GMT -5
So when do we start admitting these laws are designed to suppress voters and not to fix a problem that doesn't exist...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 19, 2016 13:04:21 GMT -5
So when do we start admitting these laws are designed to suppress voters and not to fix a problem that doesn't exist... Why, never, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 12:41:27 GMT -5
Shorter Pres Trump: "Those brown people don't look like they should be voting, because they're brown. Must be illegals"
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 26, 2017 12:49:40 GMT -5
Shorter Pres Trump: "Those brown people don't look like they should be voting, because they're brown. Must be illegals" You couldn't make this stuff up. Sadly, someone very important is.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 26, 2017 20:08:04 GMT -5
Shorter Pres Trump: "Those brown people don't look like they should be voting, because they're brown. Must be illegals" You are using quotation marks around the brown people statement. Are you saying this is a direct quote by Trump"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 1:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 27, 2017 14:04:04 GMT -5
You are using quotation marks around the brown people statement. Are you saying this is a direct quote by Trump"
Funny how you read all of that crazy and that's your response.
Guess you are not answering the question whether that is a direct quote from Trump.
Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from.
Is the above paragraph reason for concern at all?
Not particularly. Can you honestly say you have never looked at someone doing landscape work and not wondered if they were illegal?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 14:36:10 GMT -5
You are using quotation marks around the brown people statement. Are you saying this is a direct quote by Trump" Funny how you read all of that crazy and that's your response. Guess you are not answering the question whether that is a direct quote from Trump. Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from. Is the above paragraph reason for concern at all? Not particularly. Can you honestly say you have never looked at someone doing landscape work and not wondered if they were illegal? Actually no, I have not... I'm pretty sure I don't have the ability to determine citizen or non-citizen by looking at someones face. I don't walk around looking for illegals or assume someone is illegal based on their occupation or perceived ethnic background. Seems like textbook racism to me. That's not the way I was raised and when you've experienced prejudice and been looked at as as an "other" you try and avoid treating people like that. So you think it's appropriate for a President to act in this manner? Do you believe it's ok to assume people are non-citizens and from a foreign country based on the look test? In this case the look test of his buddy's buddy's buddy? That really doesn't concern you?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 27, 2017 16:26:24 GMT -5
You are using quotation marks around the brown people statement. Are you saying this is a direct quote by Trump" Funny how you read all of that crazy and that's your response. Guess you are not answering the question whether that is a direct quote from Trump. Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from. Is the above paragraph reason for concern at all? Not particularly. Can you honestly say you have never looked at someone doing landscape work and not wondered if they were illegal? I also assume that it didn't concern you that Trump didn't believe he could get a fair trial in his Trump University fraud suit because the judge was of Mexican heritage (and born in Indiana). Yeah, that's no concern whatsoever. I also assume you didn't find any concern that Trump pushed his racist birther agenda for five years. Yup, no concern whatsoever. As a young Navy lieutenant in uniform I was once asked on campus at Yates, "What Navy are you in??" I guess I don't look American.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 27, 2017 19:36:52 GMT -5
[Can you honestly say you have never looked at someone doing landscape work and not wondered if they were illegal?[/quote]
"Actually no, I have not... I'm pretty sure I don't have the ability to determine citizen or non-citizen by looking at someones face. I don't walk around looking for illegals or assume someone is illegal based on their occupation or perceived ethnic background. Seems like textbook racism to me. That's not the way I was raised and when you've experienced prejudice and been looked at as as an "other" you try and avoid treating people like that."
I never said I had the ability to determine citizen or not by looking at their face. I have, however, observed workers mowing lawns or doing construction jobs and wondered if they were illegals. And, no, I don't think that makes me a bad person.
"So you think it's appropriate for a President to act in this manner? Do you believe it's ok to assume people are non-citizens and from a foreign country based on the look test? In this case the look test of his buddy's buddy's buddy? That really doesn't concern you?"
I have yet to see where Trump said anything about being able to tell whether someone was a citizen or not from their looks. What I have read is that Langer's friend commented that some persons did not appear to look like they were citizens. So there is nothing to comment on relative to the appropriateness of the President's acts. And, of course I do not believe I can judge one's citizenship based on looks. [/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 3:56:38 GMT -5
Just because you feel it doesn't make you a bad person, doesn't make it right either.
If roles were reversed I think it would make you feel pretty bad. If you were the person being viewed in that manner it would probably make you feel unaccepted, or like a stranger in your own country. Now repeat that everyday of your life and it has to be frustrating. That being said There's a yuuuuge, bigly difference between your average citizen having these thoughts, and the leader of the most powerful government in the world directing policy based on those sentiments.
I don't understand what you're trying to parse here regarding Trump. Trump told the story to Congressional Leaders as evidence of Voter Fraud. Why would Trump do this if he didn't believe it was true? The only evidence provided in the story for them being illegal was they were brown people, and in Trumps words could have come from various Latin American Countries.
What am I missing?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 28, 2017 5:52:48 GMT -5
I think the larger point to the story is that, instead of being proof of voter fraud, it is if anything proof the system prevents it.
A non-citizen was prevented from voting. That's a good thing. And then people about whom there may have been some questions of citizenship (presumably they didn't have proof of it) were allowed to fill out a provisional. So, presumably their vote counted if it turned out they were citizens and didn't if they weren't.
I get that there may be issues of profiling, racism, etc. But we don't know any facts about that. The only thing we know for sure is that the system worked.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 28, 2017 7:32:46 GMT -5
Central to this DJT nonsense: the assertion that the popular vote was lost because of massive voter fraud by non-citizens that has no basis in fact.
Then again...
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