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Post by shocky1 on Sept 17, 2016 16:48:30 GMT -5
troy's 3.7 gpa & taking honors & advance placement classes will likely factor in what will hopefully not just be a basketball decision
georgetown is well positioned with his final official visit, it is not expected that he will make a decision prior to all his visits
hoya transfer stephen domingo got accepted this year into cal's undergraduate haas b-school, the #2 ranked b school in the nation...hopefully his inconsistent perimeter shooting will improve this season, he made strides with his game playing for a pac 12 team in australia this summer
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 18, 2016 13:43:17 GMT -5
Very interesting situation...fingers crossed.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 18, 2016 14:39:14 GMT -5
I honestly don't think a school's academic reputation makes a significant difference where these high level recruits are concerned. Do you really think those one and dones going to Duke are going there because of academics? The reality is, just as an otherwise excellent academic institution can compromise its academics in order to get Jahlil Okafor, so-so schools often have excellent honors and niche programs, and can devote extra tutoring and attention to their athletes if they so wish. I suppose if these kids are interested in the school's academic brand, then the Georgetowns of the world stick out. But it seems to me these 5 star recruits that say that they care about academics are either a) not really interested in academics but think its a nice PC thing to say, or b) can be more than convinced by the Kansases and Arizonas of the world that their academic itch will be more than taken care of. Perhaps if Troy Brown (or whoever) happens to want to study government or international politics, we have an advantage.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 18, 2016 14:40:10 GMT -5
With that being said--Troy, Georgetown is clearly the school for you.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 18, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -5
With a lot of players, the academic angle is just lip service. Someone said in another thread that JT3 is readjusting his coaching strategy and needs to readjust his recruiting strategy to match but I disagree; JT3 needs to adjust his recruiting strategy and adjust his coaching to fit the talent of the guys he gets. Find the guys that actually do take academics seriously, get them on campus, then build the team around them.
Hopefully Troy is one of many that fits that mold.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 18, 2016 19:39:00 GMT -5
I dont think that it's lip service. I think that 17/18 yr old kids dont really know the difference between a Ivy school degree, a GTown/Villanova degree, or a SU/UNC degree. I believe that a coach can convince these kids and their families that almost all degrees hold up against each other in interviews. And really if you have any real networking you can be put in a position where an alumni of your school can get you a good job. Also 5* recruits dont think that they will be working a real job anyway. Troy Brown plans on being in the league in no more than 3 years. Our only real hope is that we can get him on campus and sell him on JT3's vision and his future teammates. I doubt a GTown degree really matters..............
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 19, 2016 9:22:38 GMT -5
I dont think that it's lip service. I think that 17/18 yr old kids dont really know the difference between a Ivy school degree, a GTown/Villanova degree, or a SU/UNC degree. I believe that a coach can convince these kids and their families that almost all degrees hold up against each other in interviews. And really if you have any real networking you can be put in a position where an alumni of your school can get you a good job. Also 5* recruits dont think that they will be working a real job anyway. Troy Brown plans on being in the league in no more than 3 years. Our only real hope is that we can get him on campus and sell him on JT3's vision and his future teammates. I doubt a GTown degree really matters.............. I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball.
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Post by shocky1 on Sept 19, 2016 22:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Sept 19, 2016 22:41:31 GMT -5
I dont think that it's lip service. I think that 17/18 yr old kids dont really know the difference between a Ivy school degree, a GTown/Villanova degree, or a SU/UNC degree. I believe that a coach can convince these kids and their families that almost all degrees hold up against each other in interviews. And really if you have any real networking you can be put in a position where an alumni of your school can get you a good job. Also 5* recruits dont think that they will be working a real job anyway. Troy Brown plans on being in the league in no more than 3 years. Our only real hope is that we can get him on campus and sell him on JT3's vision and his future teammates. I doubt a GTown degree really matters.............. I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball. You can't cry foul when Villanova is lumped together with Georgetown, and in the next breath, lump Georgetown in with Stanford. Let's be real.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 20, 2016 0:17:10 GMT -5
I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball. You can't cry foul when Villanova is lumped together with Georgetown, and in the next breath, lump Georgetown in with Stanford. Let's be real. Georgetown's #20 in the US News Rankings, Stanford's #5, and Villanova's #50. Unless you were SFS, you should be able to do the math and figure out which one Georgetown is closer to. Stanford's a better school than Georgetown, but both are national top tier national universities. Villanova is a good regional university.
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 20, 2016 0:19:02 GMT -5
You can't cry foul when Villanova is lumped together with Georgetown, and in the next breath, lump Georgetown in with Stanford. Let's be real. Georgetown's #20 in the US News Rankings, Stanford's #5, and Villanova's #50. Unless you were SFS, you should be able to do the math and figure out which one Georgetown is closer too. Stanford's a better school than Georgetown, but both are national top tier national universities. Villanova is a good regional university. As an SFSer myself I both take offense to that and recognize the validity of that statement.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2016 2:02:06 GMT -5
I dont think that it's lip service. I think that 17/18 yr old kids dont really know the difference between a Ivy school degree, a GTown/Villanova degree, or a SU/UNC degree. I believe that a coach can convince these kids and their families that almost all degrees hold up against each other in interviews. And really if you have any real networking you can be put in a position where an alumni of your school can get you a good job. Also 5* recruits dont think that they will be working a real job anyway. Troy Brown plans on being in the league in no more than 3 years. Our only real hope is that we can get him on campus and sell him on JT3's vision and his future teammates. I doubt a GTown degree really matters.............. I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball. Yet you lump UNC and Nova together.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 20, 2016 7:07:30 GMT -5
I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball. Yet you lump UNC and Nova together. UNC is #30. So yes UNC is closer to us at 20 than Nova at 50, but they are in that 25-50 range rather than the 1-25 range we are, so not unreasonable.
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Post by lucky on Sept 20, 2016 9:03:33 GMT -5
Yet you lump UNC and Nova together. UNC is #30. So yes UNC is closer to us at 20 than Nova at 50, but they are in that 25-50 range rather than the 1-25 range we are, so not unreasonable. Does this number #30 include the fake classes or exclude them?
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 20, 2016 9:11:51 GMT -5
I'll assume it was unintentional that you lumped Georgetown and Villanova together, instead of putting Georgetown with the Ivys, and that you weren't trying to say that Georgetown and Villanova were comparable degrees. Even putting that aside, however, as a former 17/18 year with academic ambitions who definitely knew where schools fell academically, I'd say that any 17 or 18 year old that cares about academics knows the difference between the big name academic schools like the top Ivys, Georgetown, Vandy, Stanford and a UNC/Villanova, which are top 30-50 schools (aka still really good schools, not counting the whole fake classes thing at UNC, but not top tier schools). That being said, a player with NBA ambitions might choose not go to to the best academic school because they prefer the coach/program of the slightly less academically prestige school, which is why Stanford isn't always a basketball powerhouse. Also, no one that cares about academics is choosing to play for Syracuse basketball. Yet you lump UNC and Nova together. I think UNC's fake classes are roughly as valuable as Nova's real classes
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Post by gunny on Sept 20, 2016 9:54:05 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with Troy Brown? Can we take this discussion to another thread please? I do not care where UNC or Villanova is ranked in US colleges. I am looking for what is happening with Troy.
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Post by s4hoyas on Sept 20, 2016 10:32:27 GMT -5
FWIW...In a recent Business Insider publication, when Endowment was essentially removed as a factor and the rankings were purely academically based, Georgetown was ranked 11th in the country...now back to Troy...
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2016 11:54:41 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with Troy Brown? Can we take this discussion to another thread please? I do not care where UNC or Villanova is ranked in US colleges. I am looking for what is happening with Troy. Five pages too long for you? Must be a Nova grad.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 20, 2016 12:49:18 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with Troy Brown? Can we take this discussion to another thread please? I do not care where UNC or Villanova is ranked in US colleges. I am looking for what is happening with Troy. Five pages too long for you? Must be a Nova grad. Total d-bag to everyone on the GU board? Must be an SU grad...
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