Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 28, 2016 10:57:14 GMT -5
Figured since JT3 and the staff offered a while ago & Georgetown made his Final 8, Troy Brown should at least have his own thread.
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Post by lucky on Jul 28, 2016 11:06:19 GMT -5
I watched a number of the live streams for the U17 USA games and I was very impressed by his game. Would be a super get if we can pull it off.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 28, 2016 11:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 28, 2016 11:26:05 GMT -5
What position does this dude play? I've seen everything from point guard to power forward.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 28, 2016 12:37:57 GMT -5
What position does this dude play? I've seen everything from point guard to power forward. At the D1 level because of his versatility Brown can play both Guard positions and on the wing/SF position in a "small ball lineup".
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 28, 2016 12:39:06 GMT -5
Staff is putting in work and competing against the big boys...just need to win one of these battles.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 28, 2016 12:43:53 GMT -5
Full Game: Troy Brown (Blue #0 White Sleeve) vs. Zach Collins (current Gonzaga Freshman & Top 50 Recruit) and Charles O'bannon Jr. (Top 50 Recruit 2016 Class).
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 28, 2016 12:46:34 GMT -5
Staff is putting in work and competing against the big boys...just need to win one of these battles. I am not saying they aren't putting in the work. But there can be cases shown that they are getting outworked. It's all results based.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 28, 2016 14:02:09 GMT -5
How are they getting outworked? I would be interested to hear details.
From where I sit, the work and the results are two different things. Kentucky can swoop in at the end and grab up myriad top players. That is great from a results standpoint, but has little to do with the work the coaches put into recruiting. On the flipside, the Hoyas might do a great job just to stay in some of these battles, but then lose out on those players. That is bad from a results standpoint, but it does not mean the coaches did not put in the work.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 28, 2016 15:52:10 GMT -5
How are they getting outworked? I would be interested to hear details. From where I sit, the work and the results are two different things. Kentucky can swoop in at the end and grab up myriad top players. That is great from a results standpoint, but has little to do with the work the coaches put into recruiting. On the flipside, the Hoyas might do a great job just to stay in some of these battles, but then lose out on those players. That is bad from a results standpoint, but it does not mean the coaches did not put in the work. Yes, that's a good point. The thing is how hard you work doesn't automatically yield results. Granted, if we are putting the most work into people who realistically aren't going to choose us, then that might be a problem, but hard work doesn't directly correlate to results (just like certain players can work as hard as they can, and still never do better than some guys who are more talented).
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 28, 2016 16:52:34 GMT -5
I question whether or not we can get him or not but he's really good
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 28, 2016 18:34:19 GMT -5
How are they getting outworked? I would be interested to hear details. From where I sit, the work and the results are two different things. Kentucky can swoop in at the end and grab up myriad top players. That is great from a results standpoint, but has little to do with the work the coaches put into recruiting. On the flipside, the Hoyas might do a great job just to stay in some of these battles, but then lose out on those players. That is bad from a results standpoint, but it does not mean the coaches did not put in the work. Miami made Lykes a priority way before we did. There's no excuse for that to happen with a local recruit. To me, that is getting outworked. That's been the case in quite a few recruitment lately. We are not involved with a lot of the top local recruits. I don't think we would have landed Lykes anyway, but I am not going to chalk everything up to bad luck. Our staff no doubt works hard. Others work harder in my opinion.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 28, 2016 18:56:42 GMT -5
How are they getting outworked? I would be interested to hear details. From where I sit, the work and the results are two different things. Kentucky can swoop in at the end and grab up myriad top players. That is great from a results standpoint, but has little to do with the work the coaches put into recruiting. On the flipside, the Hoyas might do a great job just to stay in some of these battles, but then lose out on those players. That is bad from a results standpoint, but it does not mean the coaches did not put in the work. Miami made Lykes a priority way before we did. There's no excuse for that to happen with a local recruit. To me, that is getting outworked. That's been the case in quite a few recruitment lately. We are not involved with a lot of the top local recruits. I don't think we would have landed Lykes anyway, but I am not going to chalk everything up to bad luck. Our staff no doubt works hard. Others work harder in my opinion. How can you have an opinion about something that literally none of us besides maybe blueandgray actually know about? None of us actually know who they're talking to, how often they reach out to them, what they say to them to come here etc
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 28, 2016 19:12:43 GMT -5
If you follow the wcac it's common knowledge. Anyone with information from the staff is getting biased info. Miami offered Lykes before we did. They made him a priority before we did. That's why he had the best relationship with their staff.
The Terps made JJ a priority before we did. That's why they lead for him. I am not bashing the staff. They have a difficult job. I just don't agree with the narrative that our staff has done everything they could, kids just wanted to go elsewhere.
I am not sure why we didn't really prioritize Naji Marshall. You look to the elite locals of 2018, I don't think we have a strong position with any of those kids.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 28, 2016 20:00:27 GMT -5
If you follow the wcac it's common knowledge. Anyone with information from the staff is getting biased info. Miami offered Lykes before we did. They made him a priority before we did. That's why he had the best relationship with their staff. The Terps made JJ a priority before we did. That's why they lead for him. I am not bashing the staff. They have a difficult job. I just don't agree with the narrative that our staff has done everything they could, kids just wanted to go elsewhere. I am not sure why we didn't really prioritize Naji Marshall. You look to the elite locals of 2018, I don't think we have a strong position with any of those kids. I don't think Lykes' decision to go to Miami had anything to do with who contacted him first. I actually think he made a very wise choice by going to Miami. Miami has done more with undersized point guards over the last 5/6 years than perhaps any other program in the country. You can't argue with that decision. With regard to JJ.....no one is sure how that is going to play out and even if we contacted him in the 4th grade....not sure how that would play a role in his final decision. You seem to be creating a storyline that just isn't there.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 28, 2016 20:17:09 GMT -5
Whatever our staff did or did not do... 2 out of 3 are gone. New guys have joined Broadus, who has been our most effective recruiter for years. And JT3 is the constant. Ultimately, it is up to him.
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 28, 2016 21:09:25 GMT -5
If you follow the wcac it's common knowledge. Anyone with information from the staff is getting biased info. Miami offered Lykes before we did. They made him a priority before we did. That's why he had the best relationship with their staff. The Terps made JJ a priority before we did. That's why they lead for him. I am not bashing the staff. They have a difficult job. I just don't agree with the narrative that our staff has done everything they could, kids just wanted to go elsewhere. I am not sure why we didn't really prioritize Naji Marshall. You look to the elite locals of 2018, I don't think we have a strong position with any of those kids. I don't think Lykes' decision to go to Miami had anything to do with who contacted him first. I actually think he made a very wise choice by going to Miami. Miami has done more with undersized point guards over the last 5/6 years than perhaps any other program in the country. You can't argue with that decision. With regard to JJ.....no one is sure how that is going to play out and even if we contacted him in the 4th grade....not sure how that would play a role in his final decision. You seem to be creating a storyline that just isn't there. I said all that. But we should have been all over Lykes sooner. Same with JJ. Same with others. To me, that is getting outworked, when others get in the door first on a local or a legacy.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 28, 2016 21:55:25 GMT -5
That's a bit of revisionist history 95. I won't pretend to be a recruiting guru, but there were certainly questions about Lykes any earlier in the game, same with Marshall, it wasn't until this year he proved himself as a bonafide high major. JJ you may be right on, but I really can't fault the staff for their effort. You can definitely blame them on Hart. That was a big miss. I'm not giving the staff a pass though. We haven't had the results, but certainly not for trying. Interested to see what this new coaching blood brings to the table, but we've certainly been and continue to be in it with prospects. Some of which we haven't even heard us involved with but end up in their top 8's etc. They're definitely grinding. Time to pull some in now. Results are definitely needed
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 28, 2016 23:57:51 GMT -5
I guess I'm just getting anxious. Wish we were in position for a local stud recruit. Gotta wait and see.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 29, 2016 10:15:28 GMT -5
You guys are acting like our team isn't pretty much loaded with top 100 guys. Saying the results haven't been there is simply inaccurate. It's called recruiting. You win some, you lose some. Hopefully we win a bit more now that we have an on campus facility
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