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Post by SSHoya on Jul 23, 2016 12:01:07 GMT -5
To be fair, the Red Sox did win the World Series in 2004 and GW's endowment is a little greater than that of Georgetown. The rest? I don't have any particular hatred for GW. In fact, I rarely, if ever, think about GW at all. Yeah, GW has this weird complex where they think they're our ultimate rivals when really I can't think of a single Georgetown grad with any sort of passionate feeling for that school. I'm glad the slavery story broke out but I highly doubt it somehow has changed the nation's opinion of the school, especially when considering Jack's efforts to reach out to their descendants. A reflection of GW's insecurity. It's still trying to live down this profile in the WaPo Education Issue: Whether it’s deserved or not, fair or not, GW seems stuck with a “Great Gatsby” reputation. In the New York Times recently, the Foggy Bottom school of 25,000 was dismissed by a former student as a “giant party school with a bunch of rich kids.” www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/11/the-education-issue-george-washington-university-fights-its-rich-kid-reputation/
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 23, 2016 14:23:15 GMT -5
I mean, personally this is why I laugh at GW, but to each his own. I'm one of a few people on this board with a degree from there, and I lived in Foggy Bottom from 2004-6 while I was getting said grad degree (so, the Red Sox winning the Series to the girl painting WG on her face, essentially). My grad school experience was fine, I had good academic and work relationships there before and after grad school. I try to watch at least a few GW games during the year when they're on TV. Their basketball fans are funny when they get like this, but I don't harbor any animosity. We exist in different orbits. I don't really have some killer insightful opinion on the Mike Lonergan situation, other than it's just unfortunate. There's really no good outcome here from the University's Title IX and any other investigations. They may well confirm a pattern of behavior similar to that described by the five former players and staffer in the Post article, and it'd be justifiably pretty hard to keep Lonergan around, and that's even before the alleged really bizarre comments about the AD. Even if they don't corroborate a pattern of problem behavior, you've got 13 players in 5 years transferring out, many of whom feel some kind of hurt because their Coach was a huge jerkwad. The article paints a really ugly picture, and that's going to have implications for their program regardless of whether Lonergan rides this out. Most times when fans discussed an embattled Coach--certainly including the past 9 months with JTIII--several folks throw out some variation on the line "He represents our school well." I guess this is a periodic reminder that even what seem like platitudes aren't always a given.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2016 18:30:52 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with any of that. Certainly nothing in there is why we dislike GW, if we do at all. I think most Georgetown people just don't think about GW. But while hyperbolic on the slavery controversy, nothing about that post was inaccurate. Um plenty is wrong. Like them passing us in anything. They routinely play us in other sports do they routinely beat us? No not really I know they tend to win in volleyball but we dominate them in men's and women's soccer. Not really sure about anything else we might play them in. Have they passed us as a program because they won the NIT? Lol that's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. No one cares about the NIT. The 1 seeds constantly lose in the first round because the players are disappointed they missed out on the NIT. A NIT title means nothing these days. And the whole slavery story changing anything about anything is also laughable. If you look anywhere in this country you'll see connections to slavery. No one thinks differently about Georgetown because the Jesuit order not Georgetown did something Editedty a long time ago and then the university benefited from it. It doesn't reflect poorly on Georgetown now especially with how well the school has handled the whole situation.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 23, 2016 18:42:39 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with any of that. Certainly nothing in there is why we dislike GW, if we do at all. I think most Georgetown people just don't think about GW. But while hyperbolic on the slavery controversy, nothing about that post was inaccurate. Um plenty is wrong. Like them passing us in anything. They routinely play us in other sports do they routinely beat us? No not really I know they tend to win in volleyball but we dominate them in men's and women's soccer. Not really sure about anything else we might play them in. Have they passed us as a program because they won the NIT? Lol that's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. No one cares about the NIT. The 1 seeds constantly lose in the first round because the players are disappointed they missed out on the NIT. A NIT title means nothing these days. And the whole slavery story changing anything about anything is also laughable. If you look anywhere in this country you'll see connections to slavery. No one thinks differently about Georgetown because the Jesuit order not Georgetown did something Editedty a long time ago and then the university benefited from it. It doesn't reflect poorly on Georgetown now especially with how well the school has handled the whole situation. Isn't GW the most expensive university in the US? They have that over GU (although not by much ).
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Post by tashoya on Jul 23, 2016 21:37:57 GMT -5
I probably should know this but I don't. Why is it that we're supposed to hate GW?
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Post by guru on Jul 23, 2016 22:13:19 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with any of that. Certainly nothing in there is why we dislike GW, if we do at all. I think most Georgetown people just don't think about GW. But while hyperbolic on the slavery controversy, nothing about that post was inaccurate. Um plenty is wrong. Like them passing us in anything. They routinely play us in other sports do they routinely beat us? No not really I know they tend to win in volleyball but we dominate them in men's and women's soccer. Not really sure about anything else we might play them in. Have they passed us as a program because they won the NIT? Lol that's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. No one cares about the NIT. The 1 seeds constantly lose in the first round because the players are disappointed they missed out on the NIT. A NIT title means nothing these days. And the whole slavery story changing anything about anything is also laughable. If you look anywhere in this country you'll see connections to slavery. No one thinks differently about Georgetown because the Jesuit order not Georgetown did something Editedty a long time ago and then the university benefited from it. It doesn't reflect poorly on Georgetown now especially with how well the school has handled the whole situation. Except the poster didn't write those things. The post didn't say they had passed us as a program. Just said they're trending up and we're trending down. That's true. I hope it changes this season but for now it's true. As for the slavery issues, I said that's where the GW post was hyperbolic.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2016 23:05:05 GMT -5
Um plenty is wrong. Like them passing us in anything. They routinely play us in other sports do they routinely beat us? No not really I know they tend to win in volleyball but we dominate them in men's and women's soccer. Not really sure about anything else we might play them in. Have they passed us as a program because they won the NIT? Lol that's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. No one cares about the NIT. The 1 seeds constantly lose in the first round because the players are disappointed they missed out on the NIT. A NIT title means nothing these days. And the whole slavery story changing anything about anything is also laughable. If you look anywhere in this country you'll see connections to slavery. No one thinks differently about Georgetown because the Jesuit order not Georgetown did something Editedty a long time ago and then the university benefited from it. It doesn't reflect poorly on Georgetown now especially with how well the school has handled the whole situation. Except the poster didn't write those things. The post didn't say they had passed us as a program. Just said they're trending up and we're trending down. That's true. I hope it changes this season but for now it's true. As for the slavery issues, I said that's where the GW post was hyperbolic. He certainly implied it and anyway I wouldn't say one season is a trend. In addition clearly this lonergan scandal basically negates any positive trend they had going.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 26, 2016 9:44:54 GMT -5
sad and sounds kinda crazy if true
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Post by kchoya on Jul 26, 2016 14:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 21:48:01 GMT -5
And Lonergan has now apparently been canned.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 17, 2016 6:23:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind raiding them and getting Cavanagh and Watanabe.
Though I guess cavanaugh is screwed since this is his last year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 17, 2016 7:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2016 7:38:46 GMT -5
The GW board is angry and rightly so. This was a decision to be made in July, not in September during recruiting season. Comments made on that board regarding the GW athletic director suggest that may also not end well.
Some on that board have suggested Kevin Sutton as a replacement. The risk is, like Anthony Solomon taking over at Bona, that the situation damages the resume of the new head coach for future opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 8:17:09 GMT -5
They had a kid on an official visit when he got fired... oof...
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Post by ksf42001 on Sept 17, 2016 8:50:19 GMT -5
The GW board is angry and rightly so. This was a decision to be made in July, not in September during recruiting season. Comments made on that board regarding the GW athletic director suggest that may also not end well. Some on that board have suggested Kevin Sutton as a replacement. The risk is, like Anthony Solomon taking over at Bona, that the situation damages the resume of the new head coach for future opportunities. The only things GW fans should be upset about was that it took a WaPo article to take the allegations seriously and investigate. In terms of timing, if GW had fired him right away, they would have been accused of not giving him due process. If you do an investigation, and you find cause to fire a coach, you kind of have to fire them then regardless of whether it's recruiting season or not. The other possibility for the timing is simply that Lonergan did something new that was stupid, as they did have a trip to Japan, so maybe something happened there that proved to the school that hadn't changed.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2016 8:57:48 GMT -5
The only things GW fans should be upset about was that it took a WaPo article to take the allegations seriously and investigate. In terms of time, if GW had fired him right away, they would have been accused of not giving him due process. If you do an investigation, and you find cause to fire a coach, you kind of have to fire them then regardless of whether it's recruiting season or not. The other possibility for the timing is simply that Lonergan did something new that was stupid, as they did have a trip to Japan, so maybe something happened there that proved to the school that hadn't changed. GW would have been better served putting him on administrative leave as opposed to sending him with the team to Japan and sending him a letter (posted at Adam Zagoria's site) that no further action would be taken. This has " multi-year legal settlement" written all over it. The surprising thing is that it appears GW did not plan for a transition in the two months since the Post story was run.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 17, 2016 10:16:44 GMT -5
The only things GW fans should be upset about was that it took a WaPo article to take the allegations seriously and investigate. In terms of time, if GW had fired him right away, they would have been accused of not giving him due process. If you do an investigation, and you find cause to fire a coach, you kind of have to fire them then regardless of whether it's recruiting season or not. The other possibility for the timing is simply that Lonergan did something new that was stupid, as they did have a trip to Japan, so maybe something happened there that proved to the school that hadn't changed. GW would have been better served putting him on administrative leave as opposed to sending him with the team to Japan and sending him a letter (posted at Adam Zagoria's site) that no further action would be taken. This has " multi-year legal settlement" written all over it. The surprising thing is that it appears GW did not plan for a transition in the two months since the Post story was run. DFW...you raise legitimate points. My question, however, isn't why didn't they do this or that, it's what else was behind this story -- the part that has yet to come out. That's what this reads like to me. The current press release etc doesn't point to anything that wasn't already known. If that's all it turns out to be (not that it isn't a lot), why they did not take action sooner is a mystery - or at the very least be prepared with a Plan B, including transition. So maybe he did something "new that was stupid", or maybe there's a lot more to this story. I have a feeling it's the latter, but I have nothing other than a hunch on which to base that. Whatever it is/was, it's too bad the kids on the team have to deal with this. Good luck to them.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 17, 2016 13:48:14 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 17, 2016 14:08:49 GMT -5
The only things GW fans should be upset about was that it took a WaPo article to take the allegations seriously and investigate. In terms of time, if GW had fired him right away, they would have been accused of not giving him due process. If you do an investigation, and you find cause to fire a coach, you kind of have to fire them then regardless of whether it's recruiting season or not. The other possibility for the timing is simply that Lonergan did something new that was stupid, as they did have a trip to Japan, so maybe something happened there that proved to the school that hadn't changed. GW would have been better served putting him on administrative leave as opposed to sending him with the team to Japan and sending him a letter (posted at Adam Zagoria's site) that no further action would be taken. This has " multi-year legal settlement" written all over it. The surprising thing is that it appears GW did not plan for a transition in the two months since the Post story was run. DFW is not a fan of due diligence apparently. THAT'S when you get a " multi-year legal settlement" (whatever that is). You also conveniently gloss the new evidence/incidents uncovered since July. Administrative leave? That's worse than a firing. What other major college bball or football coach has been placed on administrative leave?
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 17, 2016 15:53:08 GMT -5
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