kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Oct 16, 2017 14:20:49 GMT -5
Agree you need to plan for it, but you also have to gauge whether a true freshman is going to provide that quality depth that you seek. We are clearly top heavy with forwards and bigs for next year and light on ball handlers/creators. Can’t have unlimited layers in the front court and without creating depth issues in the backcourt.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 16, 2017 14:28:48 GMT -5
I agree that we need a guard or two, particularly shooters.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 16, 2017 17:31:59 GMT -5
hoyalaw33 Avatar 5 hours ago hoyalaw33 said: From HoyaReport: "Mourning out for the year, will be eligible to play next year." Also, says it's a groin issue and not hip. Unsure if that would change recruiting going forward. Would still like Fleming, but Mourning should be able to give really nice minutes next year in a 4 out/up tempo offense.
4 hours ago calhoya said: So given this news on Trey it would seem that the Hoyas only have one available scholarship left of next year. Right? This is a MAJOR ISSUE GOING FORWARD Calhoya! I maybe off by a scholarship and hopefully I am but with Trey and Greg sitting out this year and suiting up for 2018, the scholarship bank appears to be all tapped out for 2018-2019 roster. Someone please CLARIFY!!!!! Furthermore, if I'm right Mac McClung got the last scholarship and Fleming just got screwed!!!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 16, 2017 17:43:48 GMT -5
These things pretty much always work themselves out, and our calculations as to the number of scholarships available are often misinformed.
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Post by practice on Oct 17, 2017 6:52:59 GMT -5
Who's the most likely point guard that could commit in '18 or '19? Seems like that is the glaring hole moving forward.
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 17, 2017 7:45:32 GMT -5
Who's the most likely point guard that could commit in '18 or '19? Seems like that is the glaring hole moving forward. Next year (18-19) we will have 5 guards on the roster, I wouldn't call that exactly a glaring hole. It could be argued that a Center could be more of an area of need.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 17, 2017 7:58:14 GMT -5
Who's the most likely point guard that could commit in '18 or '19? Seems like that is the glaring hole moving forward. Next year (18-19) we will have 5 guards on the roster, I wouldn't call that exactly a glaring hole. It could be argued that a Center could be more of an area of need. Kaleb & Malinowski aren't ball handlers imo plus both will be gone in 19-20..
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 17, 2017 8:06:33 GMT -5
Next year (18-19) we will have 5 guards on the roster, I wouldn't call that exactly a glaring hole. It could be argued that a Center could be more of an area of need. Kaleb & Malinowski aren't ball handlers imo plus both will be gone in 19-20.. The 19-20 season is two years from now, half this roster (minimum) will be flipped by then. If it were an issue next season (18-19), I would be more concerned. Three ball handlers will be on the roster next year as currently constructed.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 17, 2017 9:04:04 GMT -5
Kaleb & Malinowski aren't ball handlers imo plus both will be gone in 19-20.. The 19-20 season is two years from now, half this roster (minimum) will be flipped by then. If it were an issue next season (18-19), I would be more concerned. Three ball handlers will be way the roster next year as currently constructed. I'd like to see kids in the program learning the system as soon as possible.. Of the 3 kids we're agreeing about as ball handlers, 2 have not played college ball & Jagan is still a work in progress.. I'm not comfortable with that tbh..
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 17, 2017 9:21:35 GMT -5
The 19-20 season is two years from now, half this roster (minimum) will be flipped by then. If it were an issue next season (18-19), I would be more concerned. Three ball handlers will be way the roster next year as currently constructed. I'd like to see kids in the program learning the system as soon as possible.. Of the 3 kids we're agreeing about as ball handlers, 2 have not played college ball & Jagan is still a work in progress.. I'm not comfortable with that tbh.. A commit in 18' or 19' like you initially mentioned would have 2 or 3 experienced guards to play behind when they arrive on campus. Maybe I'm missing the premise. 18' commits would play with experienced guards Blair & Mosely 19' commits would play with experienced guards Blair, Mosely & McClung
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Post by bostonfan on Oct 17, 2017 9:49:17 GMT -5
I'd like to see kids in the program learning the system as soon as possible.. Of the 3 kids we're agreeing about as ball handlers, 2 have not played college ball & Jagan is still a work in progress.. I'm not comfortable with that tbh.. A commit in 18' or 19' like you initially mentioned would have 2 or 3 experienced guards to play behind when they arrive on campus. Maybe I'm missing the premise. 18' commits would play with experienced guards Blair & Mosely 19' commits would play with experienced guards Blair, Mosely & McClung I understand what your saying, but I am not sure if any of those guys are really natural point guards. I guess McClung is the closest but I still see him as more of a undersized combo guard. I think he will be a good player for the Hoyas but not sure if he is the classic floor general. I think all three of them wil be capable of handling the ball to some degree but not sure how they would react to some of the ball pressure they will see every night in the Big East.
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hoyalaw33
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Oct 17, 2017 9:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 17, 2017 9:50:17 GMT -5
I'd like to see kids in the program learning the system as soon as possible.. Of the 3 kids we're agreeing about as ball handlers, 2 have not played college ball & Jagan is still a work in progress.. I'm not comfortable with that tbh.. A commit in 18' or 19' like you initially mentioned would have 2 or 3 experienced guards to play behind when they arrive on campus. Maybe I'm missing the premise. 18' commits would play with experienced guards Blair & Mosely 19' commits would play with experienced guards Blair, Mosely & McClung My premise is that we don't know what Blair or McClung are right now, we have high hopes but they're not locks especially early in their careers.. I love Jagan but he's not what I consider to be an experienced player yet.. With that being said I think the program could use more backcourt help above other spots.. CBB is a guard driven game, this narrative has been talked about for years on the board..
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 17, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -5
A commit in 18' or 19' like you initially mentioned would have 2 or 3 experienced guards to play behind when they arrive on campus. Maybe I'm missing the premise. 18' commits would play with experienced guards Blair & Mosely 19' commits would play with experienced guards Blair, Mosely & McClung My premise is that we don't know what Blair or McClung are right now, we have high hopes but they're not locks especially early in their careers.. I love Jagan but he's not what I consider to be an experienced player yet.. With that being said I think the program could use more backcourt help above other spots.. CBB is a guard driven game, this narrative has been talked about for years on the board.. Same can be said for Sodom in the post, he is not exactly a lock either. The post is more of a priority. If he doesn't work out, then what? At least the backcourt has a better chance of hedging their bets. We'll agree to disagree on the area of need.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 17, 2017 11:18:05 GMT -5
While I think we need some guards, I think we need guys who can shoot at high percentages and play efficient offense. We still have very few guys (and no guards) who are proven at knocking down threes at any decent rate. I think we tend to worry too much about ball handling. We haven't really had a problem in that respect.
Part of the issue with recruiting is we have no idea what Ewing's system will be like. If it's a PG-centric system, then we definitely need a good PG who can handle the ball and shoot. But overall I am more concerned about shooting than ball handling.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 17, 2017 11:32:39 GMT -5
My premise is that we don't know what Blair or McClung are right now, we have high hopes but they're not locks especially early in their careers.. I love Jagan but he's not what I consider to be an experienced player yet.. With that being said I think the program could use more backcourt help above other spots.. CBB is a guard driven game, this narrative has been talked about for years on the board.. Same can be said for Sodom in the post, he is not exactly a lock either. The post is more of a priority. If he doesn't work out, then what? At least the backcourt has a better chance of hedging their bets. We'll agree to disagree on the area of need. Exactly right about Sodom but even if Jessie leaves the team will still have an experienced Derrickson along with learning options Sodom, Carter, LeBlanc & possibly Mourning as well.. That's if Jessie leaves which I wouldn't put money on.. I know Derrickson, Carter, LeBlanc & Mourning aren't true 5's but I watched Chrabacsz man that spot for Butler just fine.. Nova was fine last year with Reynolds being their biggest player at 6-8 225.. Imo the front court has more options to choose from..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 17, 2017 11:34:55 GMT -5
Exactly right about Sodom but even if Jessie leaves the team will still have an experienced Derrickson along with learning options Sodom, Carter, LeBlanc & possibly Mourning as well.. That's if Jessie leaves which I wouldn't put money on.. I know Derrickson, Carter, LeBlanc & Mourning aren't true 5's but I watched Chrabacsz man that spot for Butler just fine.. Nova was fine last year with Reynolds being their biggest player at 6-8 225.. Imo the front court has more options to choose from.. I agree. And if Ewing trends toward a more modern model, having a true 5 is really not necessary anyway (if your stretch 4's or 4's are good).
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Post by sleepy on Oct 17, 2017 11:51:24 GMT -5
Do we even have a legitimate starter for any BE level teams in the back court. I'm not so sure. The one glaring need down the road is the back court. Don't think we will be able to address that in the spring but clearly need a high level combo or point that can score and deliver from day one.The biggest need going forward in this class or next.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 17, 2017 11:58:03 GMT -5
If that is the case, grab him immediately!!!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 17, 2017 12:34:12 GMT -5
I would like him along with a push for Cole Anthony. At 6'1, kid is probably in the Brunson mold of a two to three year player. He could be the piece that puts us over the top with veteran wing depth and Carter chucking it from the cheap seats.
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