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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 7, 2016 16:02:41 GMT -5
It certainly looks like the cops shot him while he was subdued. Unless there's some other evidence out there, they need to be charged with a crime. But let's not make the victim into some kind of saint who was just trying to make a living to support his kids. Here's his arrest record: 9/09/96 aggravated battery 10/31/97 2nd degree battery 1/06/98 simple battery 5/04/00 public intimidation 9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile 9/04/01 domestic violence 5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place 7/11/05 receiving stolen things 9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place 3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery 4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry 4/04/08 domestic abuse battery 6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent 10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession 8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender 4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender 6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession He's not. All the more so. Under our system of justice, police are not supposed to be law enforcement, judge, jury and executioner.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 7, 2016 16:42:10 GMT -5
Just wondering whey you chose to single out this one shooting rather than the over 300 murders in Chicago so far this year. Because this was perpetrated by people we pay and give power to in order to protect us? Because it's another example of an all too common occurrence? Because cops almost always gets off from this kind of charge? I realize you're just intentionally being annoying, but that logic doesn't pass any kind of muster. Why "kind of charge" are you talking about? What's the reasoning to say that most officer involved shootings shouldn't end in the officer being absolved?
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Post by kchoya on Jul 7, 2016 16:44:18 GMT -5
It certainly looks like the cops shot him while he was subdued. Unless there's some other evidence out there, they need to be charged with a crime. But let's not make the victim into some kind of saint who was just trying to make a living to support his kids. Here's his arrest record: 9/09/96 aggravated battery 10/31/97 2nd degree battery 1/06/98 simple battery 5/04/00 public intimidation 9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile 9/04/01 domestic violence 5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place 7/11/05 receiving stolen things 9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place 3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery 4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry 4/04/08 domestic abuse battery 6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent 10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession 8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender 4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender 6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession He's not. All the more so. Under our system of justice, police are not supposed to be law enforcement, judge, jury and executioner. "police are not supposed to be law enforcement, judge, jury and executioner?" C'mon, that's lazy - especially for you. None of these incidents had that dynamic in play. But, but all means, if you want to jump to conclusions, like Gov. Dayton is doing, feel free to do so.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 7, 2016 16:47:07 GMT -5
It certainly looks like the cops shot him while he was subdued. Unless there's some other evidence out there, they need to be charged with a crime. But let's not make the victim into some kind of saint who was just trying to make a living to support his kids. Here's his arrest record: 9/09/96 aggravated battery 10/31/97 2nd degree battery 1/06/98 simple battery 5/04/00 public intimidation 9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile 9/04/01 domestic violence 5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place 7/11/05 receiving stolen things 9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place 3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery 4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry 4/04/08 domestic abuse battery 6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent 10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession 8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender 4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender 6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession None of which is relevant to the current situation. Police executed him. No one is blaming the victim or saying this is relevant to what the cops did. There is something wrong in a system where cops can shoot and kill a guy like this. There is also something wrong in a system where a guy with 17 priors is not in prison.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 17:37:19 GMT -5
I am hearing that Sterling had a gun. On of the police officers yelled "Gun." I think that we need to wait until the facts come out. I am more concerned about the shooting in Minnesota right now.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 7, 2016 18:10:07 GMT -5
That guy could have had a shoulder-fired stinger in his back pocket. In the position they had him, he did not need to be shot. Case closed.
I am generally supoortive of law enforcement and will almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the person in the conflict, but not on this one. That man was executed.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 7, 2016 18:48:51 GMT -5
The reason I raised the Chicago murders was that this is a nationwide problem and it's mainly black on black murders. At the same time, cop on black shootings are minute in comparison; not zero, but comparatively small. Yet we see no thread here on the black on black murders which, as I said, is nationwide. I read today that North Charleston SC, not far from where I live, has a higher murder rate than even Chicago.
I see where President Obama has, once again, weighed in on the two cop on black shootings. Where is he on the black on black murders?
Despite what SF says, I'm not being intentionally annoying. I want to see the focus shifted to the much more severe problem and what are the causes and possible solutions.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 19:09:24 GMT -5
None of which is relevant to the current situation. Police executed him. No one is blaming the victim or saying this is relevant to what the cops did. There is something wrong in a system where cops can shoot and kill a guy like this. There is also something wrong in a system where a guy with 17 priors is not in prison. The U.S. incarcerates more of its citizens than any nation in the world, and LA leads the nation in per capita incarcerations. That guy paid his debts to society. If you feel that his failure to register and possession are reasons to put him back in prison, then I'd say you are out of step with more enlightened thinking regarding this issue. Even LA is taking positive steps to reduce its prison population, especially as it regards possession. I agree that there are many things wrong with the system, but I disagree that what you cited is one of them.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 19:15:31 GMT -5
There is a video from a bystander which makes it look really really bad for the police officer. Two police officers have him on the ground and one of them takes out a gun and shoots him. We have to wait and see, but this looks like an execution just based on the video alone. I agree. Open and shut case, just like in Ferguson. Ferguson represents a travesty of justice.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 7, 2016 19:41:11 GMT -5
No one is blaming the victim or saying this is relevant to what the cops did. There is something wrong in a system where cops can shoot and kill a guy like this. There is also something wrong in a system where a guy with 17 priors is not in prison. The U.S. incarcerates more of its citizens than any nation in the world, and LA leads the nation in per capita incarcerations. That guy paid his debts to society. If you feel that his failure to register and possession are reasons to put him back in prison, then I'd say you are out of step with more enlightened thinking regarding this issue. Even LA is taking positive steps to reduce its prison population, especially as it regards possession. I agree that there are many things wrong with the system, but I disagree that what you cited is one of them. If (like me) you were the victim of a violent crime, committed by a person who had committed multiple violent crimes in his past but had supposedly and repeatedly "paid his debt to society" and let out of prison, you might feel differently.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 19:54:04 GMT -5
The U.S. incarcerates more of its citizens than any nation in the world, and LA leads the nation in per capita incarcerations. That guy paid his debts to society. If you feel that his failure to register and possession are reasons to put him back in prison, then I'd say you are out of step with more enlightened thinking regarding this issue. Even LA is taking positive steps to reduce its prison population, especially as it regards possession. I agree that there are many things wrong with the system, but I disagree that what you cited is one of them. If (like me) you were the victim of a violent crime, committed by a person who had committed multiple violent crimes in his past but had supposedly and repeatedly "paid his debt to society" and let out of prison, you might feel differently. I feel for you, Dallas. I'm sorry you, or anyone, has to endure that. Failure to register and possession, the two things he's charged with in the last 7 years, are hardly violent crimes, however. BTW, IIRC, you are an attorney. Is getting robbed at gunpoint considered a violent crime?
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 7, 2016 20:07:17 GMT -5
It was to me. But I'm not a criminal lawyer.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 20:38:31 GMT -5
If it is, then I've been there too, unfortunately.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 7, 2016 20:44:41 GMT -5
If it is, then I've been there too, unfortunately. How about a knife being brandished at you at a Metro station in DC? Yeah, I think it counts.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 21:33:49 GMT -5
NRA: Get a gun! GOP: Get a gun! Police: He's got a gun!
And another Black man is dead...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 7, 2016 21:36:08 GMT -5
If it is, then I've been there too, unfortunately. How about a knife being brandished at you at a Metro station in DC? Yeah, I think it counts. Yeah, man, that sucks!
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 7, 2016 22:18:56 GMT -5
NRA: Get a gun! GOP: Get a gun! Police: He's got a gun! And another Black man is dead... Let's see, a cop has a gun and an ex-con may have had a gun, probably illegally. What the hell does this have to do with the NRA or the GOP?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 12, 2016 16:06:46 GMT -5
Stupid Baton Rouge police go full Ferguson...
No conflict exists between citizens expecting the protection of police, yet criticizing the manner in which police provide such "protection", especially as it concerns the policing of the Black community.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 12, 2016 16:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 23, 2016 18:48:12 GMT -5
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