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Post by quickplay on Aug 5, 2016 11:49:06 GMT -5
Yes, when I write that people who are already involved can be concerned about this issue, a response of 'well then get offline and get involved' is incredibly lazy.
Again, feel free to explain why it's crazy to be concerned about the CFR, you sort of skipped that little part for your incredibly thoughtful snark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:52:33 GMT -5
If your already involved why are you so hurt?? Obviously that comment wouldn't be for you.
I think Justin is capable of answering for himself, so I'll wait for him. I don't know you or care what you think tbh... Peace
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Post by quickplay on Aug 5, 2016 11:57:13 GMT -5
"If your already involved why are you so hurt??"
Got it, you're just going to keep doing stupid crap like that. Have fun taking your ball and going home, wouldn't want you to actually have to make a substantive point!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:59:29 GMT -5
Lol.. Will do...
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Post by badgerhoya on Aug 5, 2016 16:49:16 GMT -5
What bothers me are things I can control not things I can't. I don't spend much time worrying about the boogeyman in the closet and more time focused on the Boogeymen in my own head preventing me from achieving my goals.... I would advise you to rethink that philosophy as this is not a boogey man, this is for real. TPP represents a gigantic step towards generational economic enslavement for you, me, our kids, grand children and the rest our family members and friends. Appreciate the feed back and your honest answer my friend. For other people who read this thread and post, if it does nothing else but persuades one person to question what is going on around them and to research issues themselves then I have done my job. Why is there 24 hour cable news coverage of what a Presidential candidate says and little to none on a binding free trade agreement that will regulate the internet, allow corporations to sue national, state or local governments for 'lost profits' in a international tribunal due to the governance passing of new, better wage laws for workers or environmental protections and regulations. Why are policies being pushed that does not benefit average Americans and shifts more empowerment towards multinationals regardless of how we vote? Why do Presidential candidates campaign against free trade and then once in office fight for free trade as if their lives depend on it? I do not believe the for-mentioned concerns are a coincidence nor a perfect storm. If enough people start to ask questions and demand answers then maybe just maybe enough people will start to protest against this agenda that is being pushed upon us so that we can get control back into our hands. A) With all due respect, any argument that starts with "economic enslavement" makes me think of Godwin's Law. B) Yes, there are elites in this country. Shockingly, some of them went to Georgetown - and post on this board. And most of them don't sit in dark, smoke-filled rooms wondering what happens when they pull this string or another. C) When you say policies being pushed that don't benefit average Americans, you should realize (like most supporters of free trade) that nothing is purely black and white. Free trade opens up markets for US goods, reduces barriers to entry, reduces costs for consumers, and allows economies to focus on things they're comparatively better on. You know, macro 101 stuff. Yes, free trade means that someone may be better at making furniture or shoes (for a lesser price), and thus that someone may be out of a job. What's supposed to happen is we say "hey, we'll train you to become x, since there are plenty of well-paying jobs there." However, we in the US have done a poor job funding that program... while other countries have been much better about it. D) If the issue is elites taking all of the benefits, why don't you just do the natural thing and increase taxes? Seems eminently more arguable than a conspiracy theory involving the CFR (which, by the way, apparently pays Nepalese mothers to have babies that are harvested to produce fertilizers with higher nitrogen content). Either way, let's be real.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 8, 2016 22:56:15 GMT -5
I would advise you to rethink that philosophy as this is not a boogey man, this is for real. TPP represents a gigantic step towards generational economic enslavement for you, me, our kids, grand children and the rest our family members and friends. Appreciate the feed back and your honest answer my friend. For other people who read this thread and post, if it does nothing else but persuades one person to question what is going on around them and to research issues themselves then I have done my job. Why is there 24 hour cable news coverage of what a Presidential candidate says and little to none on a binding free trade agreement that will regulate the internet, allow corporations to sue national, state or local governments for 'lost profits' in a international tribunal due to the governance passing of new, better wage laws for workers or environmental protections and regulations. Why are policies being pushed that does not benefit average Americans and shifts more empowerment towards multinationals regardless of how we vote? Why do Presidential candidates campaign against free trade and then once in office fight for free trade as if their lives depend on it? I do not believe the for-mentioned concerns are a coincidence nor a perfect storm. If enough people start to ask questions and demand answers then maybe just maybe enough people will start to protest against this agenda that is being pushed upon us so that we can get control back into our hands. A) With all due respect, any argument that starts with "economic enslavement" makes me think of Godwin's Law. B) Yes, there are elites in this country. Shockingly, some of them went to Georgetown - and post on this board. And most of them don't sit in dark, smoke-filled rooms wondering what happens when they pull this string or another. C) When you say policies being pushed that don't benefit average Americans, you should realize (like most supporters of free trade) that nothing is purely black and white. Free trade opens up markets for US goods, reduces barriers to entry, reduces costs for consumers, and allows economies to focus on things they're comparatively better on. You know, macro 101 stuff. Yes, free trade means that someone may be better at making furniture or shoes (for a lesser price), and thus that someone may be out of a job. What's supposed to happen is we say "hey, we'll train you to become x, since there are plenty of well-paying jobs there." However, we in the US have done a poor job funding that program... while other countries have been much better about it. D) If the issue is elites taking all of the benefits, why don't you just do the natural thing and increase taxes? Seems eminently more arguable than a conspiracy theory involving the CFR (which, by the way, apparently pays Nepalese mothers to have babies that are harvested to produce fertilizers with higher nitrogen content). Either way, let's be real. Do you believe that Free Trade creates jobs in America? Edit note: I just wanted to add...taxes is a political hot button for elections just like deficit. Case in point President Obama campaigned against NAFTA and is pushing TPP Obama also campaigned against the Bush Tax Cuts then turned around and made 94% of the Bush Tax Cuts permanent.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 8, 2016 22:58:39 GMT -5
I would advise you to rethink that philosophy as this is not a boogey man, this is for real. TPP represents a gigantic step towards generational economic enslavement for you, me, our kids, grand children and the rest our family members and friends. Appreciate the feed back and your honest answer my friend. For other people who read this thread and post, if it does nothing else but persuades one person to question what is going on around them and to research issues themselves then I have done my job. Why is there 24 hour cable news coverage of what a Presidential candidate says and little to none on a binding free trade agreement that will regulate the internet, allow corporations to sue national, state or local governments for 'lost profits' in a international tribunal due to the governance passing of new, better wage laws for workers or environmental protections and regulations. Why are policies being pushed that does not benefit average Americans and shifts more empowerment towards multinationals regardless of how we vote? Why do Presidential candidates campaign against free trade and then once in office fight for free trade as if their lives depend on it? I do not believe the for-mentioned concerns are a coincidence nor a perfect storm. If enough people start to ask questions and demand answers then maybe just maybe enough people will start to protest against this agenda that is being pushed upon us so that we can get control back into our hands. It's a Boogeyman imo...Question for you Do you know who the State Senator/s or city council member/s in charge of your district are? Do you know their policies or what they are pushing for? If the answer is no I'd advise you to figure it out I voted tonight..and pretty much voted NPA when possible. And I will repeat this both parties much differ on social issues, but are the same on economic issues.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 8, 2016 23:29:08 GMT -5
"If your already involved why are you so hurt??" Got it, you're just going to keep doing stupid crap like that. Have fun taking your ball and going home, wouldn't want you to actually have to make a substantive point! Are u surprised at how the Presidential Election has turned out? What do you make of the voting results?
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Post by tashoya on Nov 8, 2016 23:48:35 GMT -5
A) With all due respect, any argument that starts with "economic enslavement" makes me think of Godwin's Law. B) Yes, there are elites in this country. Shockingly, some of them went to Georgetown - and post on this board. And most of them don't sit in dark, smoke-filled rooms wondering what happens when they pull this string or another. C) When you say policies being pushed that don't benefit average Americans, you should realize (like most supporters of free trade) that nothing is purely black and white. Free trade opens up markets for US goods, reduces barriers to entry, reduces costs for consumers, and allows economies to focus on things they're comparatively better on. You know, macro 101 stuff. Yes, free trade means that someone may be better at making furniture or shoes (for a lesser price), and thus that someone may be out of a job. What's supposed to happen is we say "hey, we'll train you to become x, since there are plenty of well-paying jobs there." However, we in the US have done a poor job funding that program... while other countries have been much better about it. D) If the issue is elites taking all of the benefits, why don't you just do the natural thing and increase taxes? Seems eminently more arguable than a conspiracy theory involving the CFR (which, by the way, apparently pays Nepalese mothers to have babies that are harvested to produce fertilizers with higher nitrogen content). Either way, let's be real. Do you believe that Free Trade creates jobs in America? Edit note: I just wanted to add...taxes is a political hot button for elections just like deficit. Case in point President Obama campaigned against NAFTA and is pushing TPP Obama also campaigned against the Bush Tax Cuts then turned around and made 94% of the Bush Tax Cuts permanent. Taxes are a way of swinging support. Deficit is only a hot button in the sense that "it's getting bigger" makes people wary. If it were a hot button issue, Trump wouldn't have had a shot in this election but, instead, he's the likely winner. The fact that the President can't really affect the economy much in really significant ways yet he or she gets credit/derision based on it is still maddening. As is the empty Trump promise of bringing back jobs that aren't ever coming back regardless of trade agreements. There are people that made their election decision on that point alone and neither candidate was honest about the fact that it's not within either of their abilities to bring them back. The wholesale BS on both sides is infuriating and, as evidenced by how close the race has been, neither is a ray of light for the country. Regardless of the results, it's a very sad day.
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Post by quickplay on Nov 9, 2016 11:30:07 GMT -5
"If your already involved why are you so hurt??" Got it, you're just going to keep doing stupid crap like that. Have fun taking your ball and going home, wouldn't want you to actually have to make a substantive point! Are u surprised at how the Presidential Election has turned out? What do you make of the voting results? I find the results extremely disheartening, but not surprising. People in the country have too many legitimate problems for "shut up about your problems, can't you see how bad Trump is??" to be a viable electoral strategy, and the Clinton campaign really hurt itself by making that their main message. My hope is that he's mostly just ineffectual.
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