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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 27, 2016 13:44:56 GMT -5
I guess being the optimist I didn't see Ike being as bad as the board seems to think he was. Was he as good as we hoped after freshman year? No, but he wasn't bad IMO. 11pts, 5.4 rebounds, 2 assists in 32 minutes up from 6.8pts, 3.8rbds, 0.7 assists in 20 minutes. 0.34pts/min as a freshman 0.35pts/min as a sophomore.
ORtg 104.8 this year vs. 105.2 as a freshman. Rebounding %s were down but Assist numbers were better and turnover down.
20 games in double figures as a sophomore vs 11 as a freshman.
His 3pt % through the first 9 or so games was great this year but then fell off the map. If he gets that back on track he will be deadly since he finally realized he could drive down the stretch.
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 27, 2016 16:23:09 GMT -5
I'm really interested to see who becomes the alpha on this team. From an outsiders perspective, LJ seems to lead more by example than vocally. I'm thinking Hayes will be the vocal leader but with an abundance of upper classmen, I wonder if anyone will take charge on the court from day 1.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 27, 2016 17:29:02 GMT -5
Starting five (for the first game): 1. Tre (JT3 logic) 2. LJ 3. Reggie (capt.) 4. Ike 5. Bradley (capt.)
Best press line-up: Mosley LJ Kaleb White (or Pryor if White goes to C and he is a defensive pest) Akoy (I'm guessing)/White
Best offensive line-up: Jon (or LJ if Reggie is in) Rodney LJ (or Reggie if he finally averages over 40% from 3) Ike/White/Derrickson - the one who is playing best that game Bradley/Govan - the one who is playing best that game
"The 5 Towers" Zone line-up: White (at point forward or move to the wing for 3-pt) Ike (ready to penetrate or shoot 18' jumper) Mourning (looking for that sweet mid-range jumper to take his man away from the post) Govan (at the top of the arc on off.) Bradley (post and C)
The "End of Blow-Out Game" line-up (not bad): Mosley Reggie/Tre George M. Mourning Akoy
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 27, 2016 17:38:29 GMT -5
That starting lineup won't get us to the NCAAs.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 27, 2016 17:43:14 GMT -5
That starting lineup won't get us to the NCAAs. It's gone after the 16:00 min mark.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 27, 2016 18:45:17 GMT -5
That starting lineup won't get us to the NCAAs. It's gone after the 16:00 min mark. I would be shocked if Reggie starts. He's a good kid and I know JT3 tends to favor seniority but Reggie isn't top 5 on the team, and arguably the 4th best person at SF if you want to focus on positions. I'm also skeptical that Campbell will start unless he improves a ton this off season. As far as Copeland is concerned his offense was okay, but he shot way too many threes at way too low a rate to justify his doing so. He shot 38.9% on threes freshman year compared to just 27% this year (on 125 shots!). That's a major decline. That combined with his atrocious defense created a real problem this past season. I focus on offensive efficiency a lot, but in this case it doesn't tell the whole picture - plus while a 104 efficiency is not horrible, given Copeland's freshman year being pretty good you'd expect improvement there, if anything. I realize this sounds pretty negative, but I'm actually optimistic that Copeland can improve on the offensive end - he did improve a bit at the end of the season. Defense is a bigger problem though - I think he's got a ton of work to do there.
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 27, 2016 20:29:18 GMT -5
Jon LJ Rodney Ike/Marcus Bradley
=NCAA's
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 27, 2016 21:08:16 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of love on the board for Pryor. If I recall he wasn't that impressive when we beat Robert Morris two years ago. What a, I missing? I'm not terribly familiar with him. But do you honestly think your vague recollection of a single game two years ago is really enough on which to base a reasonable judgment? If you are legitimately asking that question (and given the context and "tone" of your comment I can say that you most assuredly aren't), then there are plenty of videos of him for you to watch. I'm as disappointed in this year and as down on the program as I have been at any point since 2004, but I'm Pollyanna compared to some on this board. Maybe let him get few games under his belt in a GU uniform before we start running him down?
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Post by tashoya on Apr 27, 2016 21:57:14 GMT -5
TAS, one question and I have it for all fan bases. Are we over rating our own? I think Bradley is what he is but not special and Govan is the guy with upside which is why I think that will get confusing. Trey is not good. Isaac not so good. LJ is the real talent in the group and I think will step up without DSR. I think DSR there caused problems with the sophomores this past year progressing. I know we have brought in some nice talent on paper but have also seen this hype then when the season starts we ask where are these guys or we say WTF when they play? My question is how talented are we with a non Hoyatalk focus against the conference and the country and I ask because we were really bad this past season. eagle, aleutian answered your question likely better than I would have. Knowing that I'm biased, it's difficult for me to say to what degree. I can try to look at our guys impartially but it rarely works. I do know that LJ is the best player on the team and that's not because DSR has finished his college career. That was the case for the latter part of this past season too. I have some expectations for Isaac but I don't think they're irrational. But, again, I'm biased. I expect Isaac to work on his shot and become more of a threat from three but also to really work his mid-range game. He has shown flashes and, if he can develop some consistency, he could exploit some matchups. I still tend to think that our biggest problem is defense and I don't know how much we can improve. A lot will depend on how close to 100% PW and Akoy are and it will also depend on the jump that Kaleb makes over the summer. I try not to expect much from incoming freshmen so there's that. And guys that I haven't seen, I try not to get my hopes up. We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut but we could be pretty good. If that prediction is remotely correct, the defense is going to have to improve by a good amount. I think next year will be a more balanced team but the question marks are many.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 27, 2016 22:12:42 GMT -5
TAS, one question and I have it for all fan bases. Are we over rating our own? I think Bradley is what he is but not special and Govan is the guy with upside which is why I think that will get confusing. Trey is not good. Isaac not so good. LJ is the real talent in the group and I think will step up without DSR. I think DSR there caused problems with the sophomores this past year progressing. I know we have brought in some nice talent on paper but have also seen this hype then when the season starts we ask where are these guys or we say WTF when they play? My question is how talented are we with a non Hoyatalk focus against the conference and the country and I ask because we were really bad this past season. eagle, aleutian answered your question likely better than I would have. Knowing that I'm biased, it's difficult for me to say to what degree. I can try to look at our guys impartially but it rarely works. I do know that LJ is the best player on the team and that's not because DSR has finished his college career. That was the case for the latter part of this past season too. I have some expectations for Isaac but I don't think they're irrational. But, again, I'm biased. I expect Isaac to work on his shot and become more of a threat from three but also to really work his mid-range game. He has shown flashes and, if he can develop some consistency, he could exploit some matchups. I still tend to think that our biggest problem is defense and I don't know how much we can improve. A lot will depend on how close to 100% PW and Akoy are and it will also depend on the jump that Kaleb makes over the summer. I try not to expect much from incoming freshmen so there's that. And guys that I haven't seen, I try not to get my hopes up. We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut but we could be pretty good. If that prediction is remotely correct, the defense is going to have to improve by a good amount. I think next year will be a more balanced team but the question marks are many. I hear you and think aleutian was correct but still more questions than answers. As an eternal optimist I tend to think all of the misfortunes of this season especially among our current rising juniors will go completely the other way. They'll have the seasons we thought they would have and then some. Hayes coming back to me is not a positive for the chemistry as I'd like to see the juniors and sophomores take over but not sure he'll have the impact that DSR did this past year in holding guys back. I think Govan should be given the opportunity to be the starter and primary center if he earns it and that shouldn't be given to the older player by default. I also would like to see some of the younger big men get more time as I just don't think Hayes helps all that much and those other players can provide more upside and longer term impact. As they say, hope springs eternal and that couldn't be more true in our offseason.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 27, 2016 22:21:05 GMT -5
eagle, aleutian answered your question likely better than I would have. Knowing that I'm biased, it's difficult for me to say to what degree. I can try to look at our guys impartially but it rarely works. I do know that LJ is the best player on the team and that's not because DSR has finished his college career. That was the case for the latter part of this past season too. I have some expectations for Isaac but I don't think they're irrational. But, again, I'm biased. I expect Isaac to work on his shot and become more of a threat from three but also to really work his mid-range game. He has shown flashes and, if he can develop some consistency, he could exploit some matchups. I still tend to think that our biggest problem is defense and I don't know how much we can improve. A lot will depend on how close to 100% PW and Akoy are and it will also depend on the jump that Kaleb makes over the summer. I try not to expect much from incoming freshmen so there's that. And guys that I haven't seen, I try not to get my hopes up. We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut but we could be pretty good. If that prediction is remotely correct, the defense is going to have to improve by a good amount. I think next year will be a more balanced team but the question marks are many. I hear you and think aleutian was correct but still more questions than answers. As an eternal optimist I tend to think all of the misfortunes of this season especially among our current rising juniors will go completely the other way. They'll have the seasons we thought they would have and then some. Hayes coming back to me is not a positive for the chemistry as I'd like to see the juniors and sophomores take over but not sure he'll have the impact that DSR did this past year in holding guys back. I think Govan should be given the opportunity to be the starter and primary center if he earns it and that shouldn't be given to the older player by default. I also would like to see some of the younger big men get more time as I just don't think Hayes helps all that much and those other players can provide more upside and longer term impact. As they say, hope springs eternal and that couldn't be more true in our offseason. I don't know how I feel about the Bradley situation other than being happy for him as a person. It'll be a wait and see thing to me but, in terms of chemistry, BJ has been a team first guy for 4 years. Whether that translates to proper usage isn't up to him. For him, I'm happy. But, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm all for a meritocracy with regard to starting/getting minutes. If you've earned them, it shouldn't matter what year you are. But that's simplistic too. Maybe there will be lineups that Jessie is better suited for and the same may go for Bradley. It's going to be a good test of JT3's ability to manage the rotations this year if everyone does come back healthy and ready to go. The level of recovery from injury for Akoy and PW worries me a bit. PW a little less so as he's not a fast player or a jump out of the gym guy but he's got really solid lateral agility which, hopefully, hasn't suffered by the time the season starts.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 27, 2016 22:31:36 GMT -5
I guess being the optimist I didn't see Ike being as bad as the board seems to think he was. Was he as good as we hoped after freshman year? No, but he wasn't bad IMO. 11pts, 5.4 rebounds, 2 assists in 32 minutes up from 6.8pts, 3.8rbds, 0.7 assists in 20 minutes. 0.34pts/min as a freshman 0.35pts/min as a sophomore. ORtg 104.8 this year vs. 105.2 as a freshman. Rebounding %s were down but Assist numbers were better and turnover down. 20 games in double figures as a sophomore vs 11 as a freshman. His 3pt % through the first 9 or so games was great this year but then fell off the map. If he gets that back on track he will be deadly since he finally realized he could drive down the stretch. Isaac's had games in which he's looked like the best player on the court for either team. I think because of that, expectations get very high, and it's easier to disappoint. In my mind, if he can make a leap defensively, he'll be a top Big East player, because I think he's let offensive troubles lead to defensive letdowns at times. Guys make the big step up at different times in their careers. I hope the increased competition from a full, more talented roster -- especially with guys around his size -- will encourage another year of uptrending numbers and play for Copeland. He was MORE consistent about doing things when the scoring wasn't there last year. If he can lock in for all the time he's on court, he will be a significant player for the Hoyas.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 27, 2016 22:35:45 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of love on the board for Pryor. If I recall he wasn't that impressive when we beat Robert Morris two years ago. What a, I missing? I'm not terribly familiar with him. But do you honestly think your vague recollection of a single game two years ago is really enough on which to base a reasonable judgment? If you are legitimately asking that question (and given the context and "tone" of your comment I can say that you most assuredly aren't), then there are plenty of videos of him for you to watch. I'm as disappointed in this year and as down on the program as I have been at any point since 2004, but I'm Pollyanna compared to some on this board. Maybe let him get few games under his belt in a GU uniform before we start running him down? if 16pts, 3 threes, 5 rebounds 2 assists and 0 turnovers in 17 minutes isn't that impressive, I can't wait till he shows some improvement in a Hoyas uniform!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 28, 2016 23:58:48 GMT -5
The best defensive lineup should start. This team needs to get back to basics. Teamwork, effort, being where you are supposed to be.
That means a lot of guys who started last year very well won't be unless they change their habits.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 29, 2016 10:06:01 GMT -5
I'm not terribly familiar with him. But do you honestly think your vague recollection of a single game two years ago is really enough on which to base a reasonable judgment? If you are legitimately asking that question (and given the context and "tone" of your comment I can say that you most assuredly aren't), then there are plenty of videos of him for you to watch. I'm as disappointed in this year and as down on the program as I have been at any point since 2004, but I'm Pollyanna compared to some on this board. Maybe let him get few games under his belt in a GU uniform before we start running him down? if 16pts, 3 threes, 5 rebounds 2 assists and 0 turnovers in 17 minutes isn't that impressive, I can't wait till he shows some improvement in a Hoyas uniform! I was at that game and, as I said earlier, I wasn't that impressed with him or any of the Robert Morris players. Perhaps if he had played more than 17 minutes, and didn't have 4 fouls in that time, he may have made a greater impression. Not to be a downer or ding the guy before he even gets here but I just don't recall him being a game changer that we need at guard.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 29, 2016 10:17:02 GMT -5
One thing I'll say about Bradley is that he clearly improved every year (or at least in his junior and senior years), so if we see any kind of jump in his performance from this year to next, that could be impressive indeed. And if there's not a jump, there are plenty of other options down low.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 29, 2016 10:42:17 GMT -5
if 16pts, 3 threes, 5 rebounds 2 assists and 0 turnovers in 17 minutes isn't that impressive, I can't wait till he shows some improvement in a Hoyas uniform! I was at that game and, as I said earlier, I wasn't that impressed with him or any of the Robert Morris players. Perhaps if he had played more than 17 minutes, and didn't have 4 fouls in that time, he may have made a greater impression. Not to be a downer or ding the guy before he even gets here but I just don't recall him being a game changer that we need at guard. you're apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "small sample size." Also, you're not impressed with 16 points in 17 minutes? Why would you expect to be impressed with any of the other Robert Morris players. Your posts simply make no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 10:46:35 GMT -5
I would hope nobody would think 1 player is going to get us back to where we want to be. We need to see improvement across the board. Pryor is a piece he's not some white night sent here to save Gtown basketball...
The high level of competition in the off season in practice etc alone should do wonders...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2016 15:42:03 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of love on the board for Pryor. If I recall he wasn't that impressive when we beat Robert Morris two years ago. What a, I missing? ProfessorHoya I'm nominating your response to Drquigley for the "Post Of The Year"! Too Funny and True at the same time. I hope I'm not the only one that got it.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 29, 2016 18:16:43 GMT -5
We are not amused.
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