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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 18, 2016 11:51:02 GMT -5
PG: Mulmore SG: Pryor SF: White PF: Copeland C: Govan LJ sticking to his first off the bench role where he excelled this past year. then Derrickson, Agau, Johnson, Mourning. Spot minutes for Mosely, Campbell, Cameron Our best player coming off the bench for two years in a row? Being down by 10 at the 12-min mark of the first half? No thank you. Different season, different team. I see no reason to assume that we will be down big before the end of the first quarter.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 18, 2016 11:53:30 GMT -5
This team BETTER go more up tempo; Paul White and LJ starts for me.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 18, 2016 11:57:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure about our starting lineup, but I'm not sure why everyone seems to think Copeland will start ahead of White. Yes, White was hurt last year, but there really wasn't a lot to like about Ike's performance last year. White's a better defender and facilitator and I could see JT3 starting him at PF over Copeland.
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 18, 2016 12:01:41 GMT -5
JT3 definitely has his work cut out for him this summer and during the early season games to figure out a rotation with all these capable players. I agree with those still somewhat concerned with the PG position, but the guard position overall has been improved on paper at least. Assuming Hayes does not get the waiver granted, I'm excited at the thought of Trey or Marcus spelling Govan at the 5. This should really spread the court offensively and open the lane for the guards to attack.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 18, 2016 12:09:08 GMT -5
Our best player coming off the bench for two years in a row? Being down by 10 at the 12-min mark of the first half? No thank you. Would you rather our best player have to sit down for the final 15 minutes of the first half because he got 2 quick fouls? I assume we can all agree LJ played much better coming off the bench. What makes you think we'd be down 10 when the line up I proposed only has one carry over from our starting line up of most of last year? Ummm.... So you're afraid something bad is gonna happen and your first option is to make sure we limit him first even though there's no guarantee of him getting in foul trouble. He played his whole first year without getting in foul trouble and the second half of this year at an average rate. He stopped fouling because he stopped fouling, not because he was a sixth man. I mean, I guess agree to disagree but it makes no sense to not have LJ starting...he's by far our best player and was by far our most consistent player last year.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 18, 2016 12:10:14 GMT -5
Our best player coming off the bench for two years in a row? Being down by 10 at the 12-min mark of the first half? No thank you. Different season, different team. I see no reason to assume that we will be down big before the end of the first quarter. Agreed, that kind of makes my point as well. Why assume we're a better team with LJ on the bench? There were times last season where he didn't play enough minutes because we wanted the first pet of he game with him on the bench.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 18, 2016 12:11:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure about our starting lineup, but I'm not sure why everyone seems to think Copeland will start ahead of White. Yes, White was hurt last year, but there really wasn't a lot to like about Ike's performance last year. White's a better defender and facilitator and I could see JT3 starting him at PF over Copeland. I was going to say the same thing. While Copeland played a ton of minutes last year, I think much of that was driven by our not having anybody better to play there. White could definitely take those minutes, and Agau/Derrickson could also possibly take some of the minutes Copeland got as a 4. Copeland didn't have a good season overall, but his defense was particularly bad. If he cannot improve on that side of the ball, he will be a defensive liability that is a drag on the team. On the bright side, Copeland was one of the few players that actually avoided fouling, but I think that was aided by his being out of proper defensive position so frequently.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2016 12:38:00 GMT -5
Starters: Mulmore, LJ, Pryor, Copeland, Govan Heavy Minutes Backups: Derrickson, White, Johnson, Mourning Light Minutes Backups: Cameron, Mosely, Campbell, Agau
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 18, 2016 12:47:36 GMT -5
Copeland started playing better toward the end of the season. I think a change in tempo would benefit him greatly. Also, having that competition behind him will push him to get better and play better defensively. This depth should create a competitive environment where playing time is truly earned. I like Cope's chances.
Also, Yaboy made a good point about legitimate concern for Mulmore at the PG position. There is a learning curve, but Mulmore brings a more dynamic presence at the position and Tre was just plain bad this past season. Mulmore can dribble drive and get to the FT line, plus he has all the tools to be a very good defensive player. For those reasons I want him in there. Tre needs to do a total reboot of his game.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2016 12:53:19 GMT -5
Mulmore LJ Pryor Ike Govan White is the 6th man, Derrickson will still play good minutes at the 4 or 5 depending on match-up. I don't think Pryor comes to Gtown if he does not believe he is starting next season. With his experience and rebounding ability, I do not see anyone on last year's roster beating him out for a starting position. I am also assuming Ike improves and our style of play matches his skillset a bit more next season. Govan is the shakiest of my starting 5. He is the traditional 5, but he needs to improve. I could easily see Agau taking his minutes along with Derrickson. A fast team does not necessarily need a 6'11" center if he is still struggling to finish around the rim and hold his own on defense. This team should be playing fast, especially on defense, press aggressively with the intention of forcing turnovers, switch everything in the man to man, play a long 2 -3 zone. Agreed 100% with NC's point, especially combined with this quote: "It was, to me and my family, the best decision towards my ultimate goal, which is to play in the NBA," Pryor said. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15227676/georgetown-hoyas-land-robert-morris-colonials-graduate-transfer-rodney-pryor
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 18, 2016 12:59:21 GMT -5
Copeland started playing better toward the end of the season. I think a change in tempo would benefit him greatly. Also, having that competition behind him will push him to get better and play better defensively. This depth should create a competitive environment where playing time is truly earned. I like Cope's chances. Also, Yaboy made a good point about legitimate concern for Mulmore at the PG position. There is a learning curve, but Mulmore brings a more dynamic presence at the position and Tre was just plain bad this past season. Mulmore can dribble drive and get to the FT line, plus he has all the tools to be a very good defensive player. For those reasons I want him in there. Tre needs to do a total reboot of his game. Copeland could not shoot at all last year. He was 27% overall from behind the arc, 21% in conference and 25% over his last ten games. I mean, that's just atrocious, especially considering he averaged 4 three point attempts a game.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 18, 2016 12:59:26 GMT -5
It's really tough to say how this shakes out, but I'm glad there will be competition. I could see everyone on the roster getting some amount of run next year, but I don't think it's a lock that anyone outside of LJ and maybe Copeland play 30+ a game. And some players who either got significant burn last season or who have some genuine potential are going to sit a lot. It will be interesting to watch Kenner this year for sure.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 18, 2016 14:50:41 GMT -5
Our best player coming off the bench for two years in a row? Being down by 10 at the 12-min mark of the first half? No thank you. Different season, different team. I see no reason to assume that we will be down big before the end of the first quarter. Any starting line up without LJ is not based on reality, in my opinion.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 18, 2016 14:52:05 GMT -5
The big question is who s backing up Govan?
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2016 15:05:54 GMT -5
Mulmore LJ Pryor Ike Govan White is the 6th man, Derrickson will still play good minutes at the 4 or 5 depending on match-up. I don't think Pryor comes to Gtown if he does not believe he is starting next season. With his experience and rebounding ability, I do not see anyone on last year's roster beating him out for a starting position. I am also assuming Ike improves and our style of play matches his skillset a bit more next season. Govan is the shakiest of my starting 5. He is the traditional 5, but he needs to improve. I could easily see Agau taking his minutes along with Derrickson. A fast team does not necessarily need a 6'11" center if he is still struggling to finish around the rim and hold his own on defense. This team should be playing fast, especially on defense, press aggressively with the intention of forcing turnovers, switch everything in the man to man, play a long 2 -3 zone. Agreed 100% with NC's point, especially combined with this quote: "It was, to me and my family, the best decision towards my ultimate goal, which is to play in the NBA," Pryor said. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15227676/georgetown-hoyas-land-robert-morris-colonials-graduate-transfer-rodney-pryorNot sure if he starts, but it's not important because he will get 25+ mins... he's too good not to...
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 18, 2016 15:29:30 GMT -5
The big question is who s backing up Govan? I don't think there will necessarily be a backup center but I think Akoy, Marcus and Trey will all see time there. I think going small in spurts will be effective offensively.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 18, 2016 15:31:41 GMT -5
The big question is who s backing up Govan? Depends on how the team looks in the fall. If Mourning puts on some lbs then most likely him. If he doesn't and Akoy is ready and productive from the beginning then I'd say Akoy. Honestly I really like the idea of Akoy at the 5 (depending on how much he has recovered). I think we have the ability to go small this year and fast. An Akoy, Isaac, LJ, Pryor, Mulmore lineup would cause some major problems. The question is does that squad have the right defensive mindset?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 18, 2016 15:45:55 GMT -5
Good points. Hopefully with Mulmore, Pryor, and the return of White, the team will have a lot more ball-handling overall and can do some "PG by committee," which I think is fine IF the teams buys in to the offense. Tre to his credit less than a turnover per game in 20 min of pt, however if his defense in 16/17 looks the same as his 1st 2 seasons he'll probably be sitting more than a lot. If he gets in the weight room starts sitting down in his stance and focus on staying in front of his man he has a shot... Mulmore certainly looks like he has the body athleticism to be a good perimeter defender but the TO's are a concern so question marks for both guys... I see the ball in the hands of Mulmore, White, Peak and Mosely in terms of PG/initiators of the offense as all 4 have shown the ability to attack the defense off the bounce and have demonstrated very good court vision. I think Tre's best opportunity for playing time will be off the ball as a spot up shooter kind of like the role he had his freshman year when DSR and Jabril managed the ball handling and initiator offense role for the team. It's not hard to have a low turnover rate when you pass the ball from side to side on the perimeter. I agree that he absolutely has to improve his defense. If he doesn't, I don't think he will play. We need to stop wanting to make Tre a PG because nothing in his game says he is a PG except for his height.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 16:30:45 GMT -5
Tre to his credit less than a turnover per game in 20 min of pt, however if his defense in 16/17 looks the same as his 1st 2 seasons he'll probably be sitting more than a lot. If he gets in the weight room starts sitting down in his stance and focus on staying in front of his man he has a shot... Mulmore certainly looks like he has the body athleticism to be a good perimeter defender but the TO's are a concern so question marks for both guys... I see the ball in the hands of Mulmore, White, Peak and Mosely in terms of PG/initiators of the offense as all 4 have shown the ability to attack the defense off the bounce and have demonstrated very good court vision. I think Tre's best opportunity for playing time will be off the ball as a spot up shooter kind of like the role he had his freshman year when DSR and Jabril managed the ball handling and initiator offense role for the team. It's not hard to have a low turnover rate when you pass the ball from side to side on the perimeter. I agree that he absolutely has to improve his defense. If he doesn't, I don't think he will play. We need to stop wanting to make Tre a PG because nothing in his game says he is a PG except for his height. Yeah but Jagans not a point right now and a Frosh, White better served in a Point Forward role and Mulmore is an unknown. Personally don't think anybody on this board has seen enough to know either way what he will be. He might be better served as a spark off the bench than a steady hand at the start. Mulmore also has to show he can knock down jumpers or that driving ability can be lessened by good game planning It all comes down to roles and what makes the team most effective. My point is none of this is set in stone and guys have a whole Summer to get right so we will see. Also there's a difference between starting and minutes. My belief is you have primary scores in Peak Pryor Govan and Ike. Most likely you will probably have at minimum 2 of those guys on the court at all times. Those are the guys who need to step up and lead us offensively. So who you put with those guys has to be someone who is going to make the game easier for them. White would definitely be one of those guys in the Frontcourt. If he's being Dynamic creating for our scorers and offense is going through him in a Point Forward role maybe what makes you best is a kid that can spread the floor knock down a open Jumper, defer to those guys, play mistake free, and be a game manager like Wallace was. If guys are getting bottled up and stagnant like last year then you probably need more breakdown ability playmaking at the point and It's Mulmore. It's things we have to figure out and guys are going to have their opportunities. I think everything else is somewhat predictable and Tre has to show he can defend a lot better. Mulmore sounds and looks physically great but until I see more I'm not going to say he's a shoe in for anything other than competing for minutes. The competition should make both guys better and I think both enter with giant chips on their shoulders tbh...
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 18, 2016 17:03:36 GMT -5
The big question is who s backing up Govan? I don't think there will necessarily be a backup center but I think Akoy, Marcus and Trey will all see time there. I think going small in spurts will be effective offensively. I don't know about that. Perhaps we can agree that our centers need to be more agile and versatile big men, but the center --the solid center--is here to stay.
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