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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 1, 2016 13:16:11 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 1, 2016 14:17:30 GMT -5
USC Upstate: RPI 323, Kenpom 318, Offense 247 defense 335 pace 254th Just based on last years roster they only graduated one player who had a limited role so should improve.
Arkansas St: RPI 284, Kenpom 250, offense 252, defense 228, pace 29th had 4 seniors last year including a major contributor and 3 role players so likely take a step back.
Howard: RPI 328, Kenpom 332, offense 333, defense 271, pace 67th, only senior was a bench warmer so they should be improved.
Coppin State: RPI 327, Kenpom 329, offense 313, defense 314, pace 84th. only senior was nearly invisible so they should be improved.
Elon: RPI 162, Kenpom 157 offense 141, defense 202, pace 57th. Only senior was a role player so they should be improved.
UNC Greensboro: RPI: 233, Kenpom 207, offense 203, defense 233, pace 207th. Lose their main contributor who was a senior and another senior who was nearly invisible.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 1, 2016 14:26:12 GMT -5
USC Upstate: RPI 323, Kenpom 318, Offense 247 defense 335 pace 254th Just based on last years roster they only graduated one player who had a limited role so should improve. Arkansas St: RPI 284, Kenpom 250, offense 252, defense 228, pace 29th had 4 seniors last year including a major contributor and 3 role players so likely take a step back. Howard: RPI 328, Kenpom 332, offense 333, defense 271, pace 67th, only senior was a bench warmer so they should be improved. Coppin State: RPI 327, Kenpom 329, offense 313, defense 314, pace 84th. only senior was nearly invisible so they should be improved. Elon: RPI 162, Kenpom 157 offense 141, defense 202, pace 57th. Only senior was a role player so they should be improved. UNC Greensboro: RPI: 233, Kenpom 207, offense 203, defense 233, pace 207th. Lose their main contributor who was a senior and another senior who was nearly invisible. Can anyone comment on why GU has reverted to any school that will accept a guarantee check for these games? No room for GW, Old Dominion, or other quality regional opponents-- instead, welcome traditional powers like Arkansas State. Compare this to the 2006-07 schedule with only one sunken log on the list.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Sept 1, 2016 14:35:42 GMT -5
DFW, I think it is the Radford/UNC Asheville effect. JTIII saw that we needed some top tier cupcakes if we are going to schedule schools like those in the Maui, Cuse, UConn & MD. I think it is BS, but not surprised.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 1, 2016 15:05:50 GMT -5
USC Upstate: RPI 323, Kenpom 318, Offense 247 defense 335 pace 254th Just based on last years roster they only graduated one player who had a limited role so should improve. Arkansas St: RPI 284, Kenpom 250, offense 252, defense 228, pace 29th had 4 seniors last year including a major contributor and 3 role players so likely take a step back. Howard: RPI 328, Kenpom 332, offense 333, defense 271, pace 67th, only senior was a bench warmer so they should be improved. Coppin State: RPI 327, Kenpom 329, offense 313, defense 314, pace 84th. only senior was nearly invisible so they should be improved. Elon: RPI 162, Kenpom 157 offense 141, defense 202, pace 57th. Only senior was a role player so they should be improved. UNC Greensboro: RPI: 233, Kenpom 207, offense 203, defense 233, pace 207th. Lose their main contributor who was a senior and another senior who was nearly invisible. Can anyone comment on why GU has reverted to any school that will accept a guarantee check for these games? No room for GW, Old Dominion, or other quality regional opponents-- instead, welcome traditional powers like Arkansas State. Compare this to the 2006-07 schedule with only one sunken log on the list. Arkansas St is part of the Maui event so out of our hands. Howard and coppin State are local programs. We need some cupcakes. GW and Old dominion aren't cupcakes. I'd be fine if one of those were our BBT opponent instead of Elon, but whatever. That 06-07 schedule still had hartford (kenpom 241), ball state(217), fairfield(206), James Madison(284), Winston Salem St(328), and Navy(279). Doesn't seem that much different. James Madison and Navy replace Coppin St and Howard. Winston Salem St replace USC upstate, Hartford replaces Arkansas St, Ball state replaces UNC Greensboro, Fairfield replaces Elon. All those schools are about equivalent. Then instead of Old Dominon, Oral Roberts, Vanderbilt, oregon, duke, Michigan we have LaSalle, Uconn, Cuse, Maryaland, Oregon, Wisconsin/Tennessee, and a last Maui opponent. The schedules really aren't different at all.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 1, 2016 15:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 1, 2016 16:48:00 GMT -5
USC Upstate: RPI 323, Kenpom 318, Offense 247 defense 335 pace 254th Just based on last years roster they only graduated one player who had a limited role so should improve. Arkansas St: RPI 284, Kenpom 250, offense 252, defense 228, pace 29th had 4 seniors last year including a major contributor and 3 role players so likely take a step back. Howard: RPI 328, Kenpom 332, offense 333, defense 271, pace 67th, only senior was a bench warmer so they should be improved. Coppin State: RPI 327, Kenpom 329, offense 313, defense 314, pace 84th. only senior was nearly invisible so they should be improved. Elon: RPI 162, Kenpom 157 offense 141, defense 202, pace 57th. Only senior was a role player so they should be improved. UNC Greensboro: RPI: 233, Kenpom 207, offense 203, defense 233, pace 207th. Lose their main contributor who was a senior and another senior who was nearly invisible. Can anyone comment on why GU has reverted to any school that will accept a guarantee check for these games? No room for GW, Old Dominion, or other quality regional opponents-- instead, welcome traditional powers like Arkansas State. Compare this to the 2006-07 schedule with only one sunken log on the list. Last year, we had a much tougher schedule and it backfired. Generally, I prefer a better OOC schedule, but the problem is that when you schedule decent - but not good teams - you will run into teams like Monmouth that end up playing better than expected, and suddenly you're facing a top 75 team in November or December. The main reason for the cupcakes is that Maui (with at least Oregon), Syracuse, Maryland, and Connecticut is a hugely brutal schedule. Clearly, strength of schedule is important, but not if you lose all the games. Nobody cares if you played better OOC teams if you don't win any of them. I think this is a smart, cautious move by JT3 and the staff. And, as it is, Elon is not a bad team and Greensboro isn't horrible either. And, the game in McDonough is great.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 1, 2016 18:02:30 GMT -5
I generally do not favor cupcakes, but these guys cannot afford to have their confidence shaken before they have a chance to gel, so I will give it a pass, particularly with the list of tougher games we face.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 1, 2016 19:31:14 GMT -5
I generally do not favor cupcakes, but these guys cannot afford to have their confidence shaken before they have a chance to gel, so I will give it a pass, particularly with the list of tougher games we face. I agree.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 1, 2016 19:32:53 GMT -5
I'd be happy with 10 and 2 going into BE play.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 1, 2016 19:34:08 GMT -5
I'd be delirious with 10 and 2 going into BE play.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 2, 2016 6:58:32 GMT -5
There is NOTHING wrong with this schedule, and any assertion that it is easy is absurd. There are excellent reasons both related and unrelated to basketball to schedule all of these games. Kudos to the staff for a superb schedule. Now go out and win!!!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 2, 2016 7:24:11 GMT -5
There is NOTHING wrong with this schedule, and any assertion that it is easy is absurd. There are excellent reasons both related and unrelated to basketball to schedule all of these games. Kudos to the staff for a superb schedule. Now go out and win!!! What are these reasons "unrelated to basketball"? Does Georgetown have an annual obligation to play members of the UNC system that are not located in Chapel Hill? It's another tough home schedule to market to season ticket holders. I don't think the staff gives that as much concern as we do, however.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 2, 2016 7:35:40 GMT -5
Then the season tickets holders can and should vote with their feet and not attend the games if they think watching the Hoyas take on teams that are somehow "below" their fandom.
Relationships with coaches, relationships between schools, political reasons, guaranteed payments, and many other reasons influence game scheduling. It is not a simple process. As many other posters have pointed out, it is important to have games that the Hoyas can and will likely win, even if they have an off game. That also gives the coaches to allow different players to get major time, experiment with other lineups, etc. Those games are critical in many respects.
The coaching staff can and should assume that FANS should want to come out to as many games as possible. As a kid, I loved going to all Hoya games- Syracuse or St. Leo's. The same is true today. I wish I could be there to see them take on Arkansas State, or anyone else on their schedule. I would have been proud and happy to support the Hoyas versus You Con or Dook in 2004. I have happily attended NIT games. If the Hoyas are playing, and I can make it and afford in financially and otherwise, I am happy to be there. I really do not have any patience for fans who feel put off by the the schedule. If you do not like it, do not buy the tickets. The program will move forward with or without you.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 2, 2016 8:31:10 GMT -5
Then the season tickets holders can and should vote with their feet and not attend the games if they think watching the Hoyas take on teams that are somehow "below" their fandom. Relationships with coaches, relationships between schools, political reasons, guaranteed payments, and many other reasons influence game scheduling. It is not a simple process. As many other posters have pointed out, it is important to have games that the Hoyas can and will likely win, even if they have an off game. That also gives the coaches to allow different players to get major time, experiment with other lineups, etc. Those games are critical in many respects. The coaching staff can and should assume that FANS should want to come out to as many games as possible. As a kid, I loved going to all Hoya games- Syracuse or St. Leo's. The same is true today. I wish I could be there to see them take on Arkansas State, or anyone else on their schedule. I would have been proud and happy to support the Hoyas versus You Con or Dook in 2004. I have happily attended NIT games. If the Hoyas are playing, and I can make it and afford in financially and otherwise, I am happy to be there. I really do not have any patience for fans who feel put off by the the schedule. If you do not like it, do not buy the tickets. The program will move forward with or without you. That's great for you. And great for those who think similarly. But I don't think we're in a position to just say to people "if you don't like it, walk away." We're trying to build support, not laugh in its face. That said, the first consideration should always be: What is the best way to build a schedule to make this particular team as good as it can be. And the second consideration should always be: What is the best to build a schedule to make the program as good as it can be in the next few years. If there are ways to appeal to local fans within that context, then that's great. But if there aren't, then I have no problem with doing what needs to be done. The reality of our situation is that we need to schedule top-tier opponents in the OOC in order to build our strength of schedule and maximize our selection and seeding opportunity for the NCAAT. The easiest way to do that -- while gaining much-needed exposure on ESPN in order to sustain and build national interest in the program -- is in neutral site events. So...we have Maui and its ilk on a nearly annual basis. And we play a "decent" mid-major on a neutral court in another. That necessarily means that we aren't going to play too many strong teams at home, or else our schedule would be way too top heavy. Nonetheless, this year, we have two outstanding home games against top teams (Maryland and UConn). Tough to argue with those if you're a season ticket holder! This year's team, coming off of last year's debacle, needs a strong OOC performance and needs, above all else, to not lose games against perceived inferior foes. So, in that context, scheduling the rest of the games against marginally weaker opponents than we did last year strikes me as wholly appropriate. Those first two weak games (one just before Maryland, the other just after Maryland and just before Maui) make perfect sense (and one is scheduled for us anyway). Then, after Maui, you've got the two local cupcakes. Sure, they stink, but if you play really bad teams, at least they're local ones. So, no problem there for me either. Then you've got a decent mid-major at home as part of the BB&T. I know they're not sexy, just like Monmouth wasn't, but they shouldn't be terrible. Could we substitute ODU for Elon? Sure. But who cares? The last one is UNC-G. That's a game against a cupcake that we don't have to pay a guarantee for since it's a return game. I think that's probably a factor, too. In most years, I'd rather we upgrade one or two of those cupcakes a bit. But coming off of last year, I have no problem with it. And the schedule really isn't that bad for season ticket holders. The McD game probably isn't part of the package, so there's five crappy games OOC alongside two outstanding ones.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Sept 2, 2016 8:34:40 GMT -5
Then the season tickets holders can and should vote with their feet and not attend the games if they think watching the Hoyas take on teams that are somehow "below" their fandom. Relationships with coaches, relationships between schools, political reasons, guaranteed payments, and many other reasons influence game scheduling. It is not a simple process. As many other posters have pointed out, it is important to have games that the Hoyas can and will likely win, even if they have an off game. That also gives the coaches to allow different players to get major time, experiment with other lineups, etc. Those games are critical in many respects. The coaching staff can and should assume that FANS should want to come out to as many games as possible. As a kid, I loved going to all Hoya games- Syracuse or St. Leo's. The same is true today. I wish I could be there to see them take on Arkansas State, or anyone else on their schedule. I would have been proud and happy to support the Hoyas versus You Con or Dook in 2004. I have happily attended NIT games. If the Hoyas are playing, and I can make it and afford in financially and otherwise, I am happy to be there. I really do not have any patience for fans who feel put off by the the schedule. If you do not like it, do not buy the tickets. The program will move forward with or without you. Sadly fans have been voting with their feet. georgetownvoice.com/2016/03/03/81393/ Even if you don’t want the casual fans and believe that the program “will march on without them.” Fewer dollars and people will lead to a worse product in terms of funding, recruiting, and arena atmosphere.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 2, 2016 8:38:42 GMT -5
We're among friends here but the small-c casual fan is not attracted to either a) bring their family to Verizon Center against nondescript competition and/or b) watch these games on Fox Sports. The numbers for Georgetown viewership of these games last year was astounding low. You may not have any patience for fans that do not support the schedule but they are certainly out there. The numbers don't lie--the core ticket base is off by a third and that's probably reflective of a loss in the overall fan base as a whole--the numbers on this site reflect it, too. How does Georgetown bring them back? Winning is a great disinfectant but this is a .500 program right now. Absent that, you book games to draw walk-up interest and the staff chose, for whatever well intentioned reasons, not to do this. Charging $100 for 200 level seats vs. Maryland doesn't solve that problem, either. Then, after Maui, you've got the two local cupcakes. Sure, they stink, but if you play really bad teams, at least they're local ones. So, no problem there for me either. Then you've got a decent mid-major at home as part of the BB&T. I know they're not sexy, just like Monmouth wasn't, but they shouldn't be terrible. Could we substitute ODU for Elon? Sure. But who cares? The last one is UNC-G. That's a game against a cupcake that we don't have to pay a guarantee for since it's a return game. UNC-Greensboro is not a return game and is likely a guarantee game. You may be confusing this with UNC-Charlotte. FWIW, Georgetown can find time for the Fighting Christians of Elon in the BB&T but not George Washington, who is playing in the same building two hours later vs. Florida State. And GW doesn't need a guarantee.
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Post by calhoya on Sept 2, 2016 8:44:24 GMT -5
There are basically 4 new players, counting Akoy, 2 new assistants, hopefully a modified offense and several returning players who need to develop their games further (Kaleb, Trey, Tre, Govan and MD). These OOC weaker opponents can serve an important purpose and should provide the opportunity to develop the chemistry and rotations needed to succeed with this team. Too bad some of the tougher opponents are coming at the outset. Would have preferred a few more games before Maryland and Oregon but such is the nature of scheduling.
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Post by NCHoya on Sept 2, 2016 8:58:11 GMT -5
I am in full support of this schedule. Losing the first game last year took all the energy out of the season for me. For a team bringing so many new players together and supposedly experimenting with a new playing style, I would much rather open with a rpi 300+ opponent. In my mind, that Radford loss hung over the entire season last year.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 2, 2016 9:14:38 GMT -5
We're among friends here but the small-c casual fan is not attracted to either a) bring their family to Verizon Center against nondescript competition and/or b) watch these games on Fox Sports. The numbers for Georgetown viewership of these games last year was astounding low. You may not have any patience for fans that do not support the schedule but they are certainly out there. The numbers don't lie--the core ticket base is off by a third and that's probably reflective of a loss in the overall fan base as a whole--the numbers on this site reflect it, too. How does Georgetown bring them back? Winning is a great disinfectant but this is a .500 program right now. Absent that, you book games to draw walk-up interest and the staff chose, for whatever well intentioned reasons, not to do this. Charging $100 for 200 level seats vs. Maryland doesn't solve that problem, either. Then, after Maui, you've got the two local cupcakes. Sure, they stink, but if you play really bad teams, at least they're local ones. So, no problem there for me either. Then you've got a decent mid-major at home as part of the BB&T. I know they're not sexy, just like Monmouth wasn't, but they shouldn't be terrible. Could we substitute ODU for Elon? Sure. But who cares? The last one is UNC-G. That's a game against a cupcake that we don't have to pay a guarantee for since it's a return game. UNC-Greensboro is not a return game and is likely a guarantee game. You may be confusing this with UNC-Charlotte. FWIW, Georgetown can find time for the Fighting Christians of Elon in the BB&T but not George Washington, who is playing in the same building two hours later vs. Florida State. And GW doesn't need a guarantee. You're right of course. My bad. UNC-G likely is a guarantee game. I'm long on record as wanting to play not only Maryland every year (home/away) but also one of the local mid-majors (GMU / GWU) on a rotating basis and at least one local low-major (Howard/Navy/AU/etc.) I'd love to substitute GW or GMU for Elon. But I'm OK with the schedule overall -- particularly this year.
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