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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 12, 2016 10:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 12, 2016 10:26:01 GMT -5
Good luck, DSR!
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 17, 2016 9:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 17, 2016 13:45:32 GMT -5
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 17, 2016 19:11:34 GMT -5
pretty good. I thought in the Reese's game he looked a bit out of his element as a PG but def. working on his assists I see.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2016 22:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 19, 2016 23:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 20, 2016 6:51:47 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. It confirms what our eyes told us: that DSR was quite slow both north/south and especially east/west. But it is pretty shocking how slow. If you sort by "sprint" times, he's 12th slowest out of about 60 and the slowest guard. And if you sort by agility, he's eighth slowest and the slowest of all guards (and only one other guard is close). Plenty of 3s and 4s were faster at one or both. Everyone on the list is a good player, so this isn't representative of our opponents. But this puts into numbers the biggest reason our defense struggled. The guy playing the most minutes couldn't possibly stay in front of anyone he had to guard. Again: that's not insight, since it was obvious to the eyes, too. But the numbers are shocking (at least to me). It's also pretty amazing that he was able to do what he did offensively given those measurables. It wasn't like he was just getting catch and shoot looks. He had to create for most of his shots (at least this year).
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 20, 2016 8:11:26 GMT -5
Clearly DSR did more with less. What he lacked in height, speed, jumping ability and agility, he made up for with strength (not measured here), coordination, focus and desire.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 20, 2016 9:44:02 GMT -5
Clearly DSR did more with less. What he lacked in height, speed, jumping ability and agility, he made up for with strength (not measured here), coordination, focus and desire. Well put, blueandgray. DSR one of the all-time great Hoyas. To put up the numbers he did, despite the physical limitations, very impressive.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 20, 2016 22:13:26 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. It confirms what our eyes told us: that DSR was quite slow both north/south and especially east/west. But it is pretty shocking how slow. If you sort by "sprint" times, he's 12th slowest out of about 60 and the slowest guard. And if you sort by agility, he's eighth slowest and the slowest of all guards (and only one other guard is close). Plenty of 3s and 4s were faster at one or both. Everyone on the list is a good player, so this isn't representative of our opponents. But this puts into numbers the biggest reason our defense struggled. The guy playing the most minutes couldn't possibly stay in front of anyone he had to guard. Again: that's not insight, since it was obvious to the eyes, too. But the numbers are shocking (at least to me). It's also pretty amazing that he was able to do what he did offensively given those measurables. It wasn't like he was just getting catch and shoot looks. He had to create for most of his shots (at least this year). I always felt he was a shorter Larry Bird. Slow and lacking in athleticism but used his brain, worked really hard, had great body positioning, high skill level and made the most of what he had. For someone who was so slow, DSR worked hard on stealing the ball like Bird with his quick hands. And DSR was pretty automatic on the fast break in one on one or one on two situations whereas someone with much more speed and athleticism like Tre Campbell had trouble finishing on the fast break.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 20, 2016 22:29:22 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. It confirms what our eyes told us: that DSR was quite slow both north/south and especially east/west. But it is pretty shocking how slow. If you sort by "sprint" times, he's 12th slowest out of about 60 and the slowest guard. And if you sort by agility, he's eighth slowest and the slowest of all guards (and only one other guard is close). Plenty of 3s and 4s were faster at one or both. Everyone on the list is a good player, so this isn't representative of our opponents. But this puts into numbers the biggest reason our defense struggled. The guy playing the most minutes couldn't possibly stay in front of anyone he had to guard. Again: that's not insight, since it was obvious to the eyes, too. But the numbers are shocking (at least to me). It's also pretty amazing that he was able to do what he did offensively given those measurables. It wasn't like he was just getting catch and shoot looks. He had to create for most of his shots (at least this year). I always felt he was a shorter Larry Bird. Slow and lacking in athleticism but used his brain, worked really hard, had great body positioning, high skill level and made the most of what he had. For someone who was so slow, DSR worked hard on stealing the ball like Bird with his quick hands. And DSR was pretty automatic on the fast break in one on one or one on two situations whereas someone with much more speed and athleticism like Tre Campbell had trouble finishing on the fast break. I don't know if I read that right, did you really compare DSR to Larry Bird? I don't know where to start with that.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 20, 2016 22:38:12 GMT -5
Well, they are both from Indiana.
Otherwise. . .just a little of a stretch. And that's not to criticize DSR.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 20, 2016 22:46:20 GMT -5
Well, they are both from Indiana. Otherwise. . .just a little of a stretch. And that's not to criticize DSR. Nice work on the Indy connection as I was struggling to think of one.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 21, 2016 16:25:12 GMT -5
I always felt he was a shorter Larry Bird. Slow and lacking in athleticism but used his brain, worked really hard, had great body positioning, high skill level and made the most of what he had. For someone who was so slow, DSR worked hard on stealing the ball like Bird with his quick hands. And DSR was pretty automatic on the fast break in one on one or one on two situations whereas someone with much more speed and athleticism like Tre Campbell had trouble finishing on the fast break. I don't know if I read that right, did you really compare DSR to Larry Bird? I don't know where to start with that. I compared him to a smaller Larry Bird, EagleLinebacker54. If Larry Bird had been 6.2 and half he would have been a decent player but he would not have been the dominate player that he was as a 6-10 small forward in an era where most small forward ranged from 6-4 to 6-8.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 20:38:51 GMT -5
Well that clears that up. You should be an analyst with that type of insight as I don't think most would have ever thought of that.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 6:53:50 GMT -5
Surprised at his height, i thought he was a bit taller. But look, DSR was a good player for GU. Great Hoya though. Had sort of a Braswell arc.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 23, 2016 9:58:39 GMT -5
Well that clears that up. You should be an analyst with that type of insight as I don't think most would have ever thought of that. Give it a rest, if you don't agree just don't say anything...I know expanding your horizons is a lot of work though
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 23, 2016 20:25:09 GMT -5
Well that clears that up. You should be an analyst with that type of insight as I don't think most would have ever thought of that. Give it a rest, if you don't agree just don't say anything...I know expanding your horizons is a lot of work though Let's all keep quiet if we don't agree, would make for quite a board. Good thought.
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