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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2016 22:38:34 GMT -5
What's pathetic to me isn't that Georgetown is tucking its tail between its legs and running...what's pathetic is the number of so-called fans here that assume III is just being chicken. It's ridiculous and makes you look ridiculous. I've read through this thread and looked elsewhere, and I haven't seen a single explanation of why. Not one. If someone has seen something, by all means, direct me to it. It could be any number of different reasons from the Georgetown or Kansas side, but I find it very unlikely it's because III didn't want to face a tough opponent. Some of you seriously need to get over yourselves. Not everything fits into your neat little narrative. There's plenty to be angry/upset/dejected about with this program (plenty to feel good about too, but that's another discussion). But when you take something like this and without a single shred of evidence blow it completely out of proportion and twist it to how you want it to be, you just look like...a bunch of idiots. Whiny little kids. I've read this board since 2000. Posted infrequently. But this nonsense is just about enough. I used to appreciate or learn from posters like MCI, but you've gone off the deep end. Take a deep breath. Not everything indicates that we are going down the drain. So glad you moved on to a better teacher than me. That being said if you look carefully in my initial post I made it plain that I wasn't sure what the actual reasons were for the cancellation of the game. I thought it was very clear....to anyone paying attention to what they were reading. In fact here's a key couple of sentences in my initial post to back that up: A nd III's response is to cut one of the tough OOC games after what happened last season? I hope that isn't the reason why, I hope it is because of something else not yet revealed. Because otherwise it means III is growing scared and abandoning his OOC philosophy when it comes to scheduling. That would be a shame. As I was saying. I never charged III of doing anything; instead I was baffled by those who thought it wouldn't be such a bad idea if III had pulled out (including the remarks from one member who asserted it would be a okay move because the Hoyas weren't going to likely win the game anyway). I'm guilty of playing devil's advocate as in : okay if this is true as you are claiming then this is why it is a horrible decision. The worse I actually did was rip into III's ability to coach the team to wins in these types of games and rip into my fellow posters who were comfortable with the notion that III could have axed the game because it presented too tough a challenge. So its fine to accuse me of doing something that is akin to going off the deep end, just please make sure the accusation is directed at something I actually did.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2016 22:56:00 GMT -5
What's pathetic to me isn't that Georgetown is tucking its tail between its legs and running...what's pathetic is the number of so-called fans here that assume III is just being chicken. It's ridiculous and makes you look ridiculous. I've read through this thread and looked elsewhere, and I haven't seen a single explanation of why. Not one. If someone has seen something, by all means, direct me to it. It could be any number of different reasons from the Georgetown or Kansas side, but I find it very unlikely it's because III didn't want to face a tough opponent. Some of you seriously need to get over yourselves. Not everything fits into your neat little narrative. There's plenty to be angry/upset/dejected about with this program (plenty to feel good about too, but that's another discussion). But when you take something like this and without a single shred of evidence blow it completely out of proportion and twist it to how you want it to be, you just look like...a bunch of idiots. Whiny little kids. I've read this board since 2000. Posted infrequently. But this nonsense is just about enough. I used to appreciate or learn from posters like MCI, but you've gone off the deep end. Take a deep breath. Not everything indicates that we are going down the drain. Agreed. With no explanation as to why the game was cancelled, there's no real reason to feel disappointed about it other than it being a lost opportunity to take down a perennially top 15 team when we will, certainly, be unranked. It may work in our favor or it may give us breathing room in a certain sense but MCI also made a good point about our early losses to quality teams not hurting us. At the least, they didn't remotely hurt us as badly as the bad losses. The hypocrisy of those that consistently say that the regular season doesn't matter whining about us turning and running from Kansas with zero information as to why it was canceled is annoying. Even if it was us that bailed, it's still pre-season. Shouldn't that not bother those posters in the least? If the regular season doesn't matter, how is the pre-season important? One can choose to complain about absolutely everything but when those complaints start contradicting other complaints, those people just seem as though they're being angry just to be angry as opposed to being disappointed with the current situation and discussing their opinions as to how to improve given the current landscape and personnel. It's not that dissimilar to the arguments about the construction of the roster and then complaining about offering a JuCo guy that fills a need for depth at the guard position. That, somehow, is a failure in recruiting. It may be a failure in recruiting in prior years but, right now, it's insurance and a recognition of the needs of the current team as constructed. Is Mulmore a top 5 guard out of HS? No. But those guys aren't available. Get a 3 star out of HS or a guy that put up 25+ with assists and rebounds? Apparently, the former is a better solution and, if the "logic" is to be followed, a larger success in recruiting. For those people, please read some of the comments the newest Hoya has made. There's a maturity and a self-awareness to him that this team can use. It makes zero sense but that's where we're at due to, likely, nearly universal disappointment with what transpired this year. Then again, it's one year. And there are reasons to be optimistic. There are also reasons to be pessimistic. We, however, seem unwilling to find common ground with those on the other side of the matter.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 7, 2016 22:56:31 GMT -5
What's pathetic to me isn't that Georgetown is tucking its tail between its legs and running...what's pathetic is the number of so-called fans here that assume III is just being chicken. It's ridiculous and makes you look ridiculous. I've read through this thread and looked elsewhere, and I haven't seen a single explanation of why. Not one. If someone has seen something, by all means, direct me to it. It could be any number of different reasons from the Georgetown or Kansas side, but I find it very unlikely it's because III didn't want to face a tough opponent. Some of you seriously need to get over yourselves. Not everything fits into your neat little narrative. There's plenty to be angry/upset/dejected about with this program (plenty to feel good about too, but that's another discussion). But when you take something like this and without a single shred of evidence blow it completely out of proportion and twist it to how you want it to be, you just look like...a bunch of idiots. Whiny little kids. I've read this board since 2000. Posted infrequently. But this nonsense is just about enough. I used to appreciate or learn from posters like MCI, but you've gone off the deep end. Take a deep breath. Not everything indicates that we are going down the drain. So glad you moved on to a better teacher than me. That being said if you look carefully in my initial post I made it plain that I wasn't sure what the actual reasons were for the cancellation of the game. I thought it was very clear....to anyone paying attention to what they were reading. In fact here's a key couple of sentences in my initial post to back that up: A nd III's response is to cut one of the tough OOC games after what happened last season? I hope that isn't the reason why, I hope it is because of something else not yet revealed. Because otherwise it means III is growing scared and abandoning his OOC philosophy when it comes to scheduling. That would be a shame. As I was saying. I never charged III of doing anything; instead I was baffled by those who thought it wouldn't be such a bad idea if III had pulled out (including the remarks from one member who asserted it would be a okay move because the Hoyas weren't going to likely win the game anyway). I'm guilty of playing devil's advocate as in : okay if this is true as you are claiming then this is why it is a horrible decision. The worse I actually did was rip into III's ability to coach the team to wins in these types of games and rip into my fellow posters who were comfortable with the notion that III could have axed the game because it presented too tough a challenge. So its fine to accuse me of doing something that is akin to going off the deep end, just please make sure the accusation is directed at something I actually did. Meh. First, although I did mention you by name, it was by no means meant to be only directed at you. Lots of others in this thread and others guilty of the same thing. Just that you are one of the people who has in the past provided good analysis, but have gotten so bogged down in III hate or despair or whatever it is that it clouds everything else. But more substantively, that's pretty weak. Yes, you left yourself lots of caveats. Congrats. But this whole "I'm not saying it's X, but if it were X then.." is just a weak way of arguing. You have no shred of evidence of it, yet construct an entire argument and several posts around what it would mean if it were true. But heavens no, don't accuse you of calling III a coward, you're just saying if that were the reason. If you have evidence or some reason to believe it, then say it. But don't hide behind this whole "I'm not saying that's what I believe, but if it were..." and then go on and on about thus hypothetical you, of course, don't believe in. Come on. There are plenty of other hypothetical reasons you could have discussed. You didn't mention them and went on about a ridiculous one. Don't get all hurt because someone focused on that instead of your caveats.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 8, 2016 0:12:59 GMT -5
So glad you moved on to a better teacher than me. That being said if you look carefully in my initial post I made it plain that I wasn't sure what the actual reasons were for the cancellation of the game. I thought it was very clear....to anyone paying attention to what they were reading. In fact here's a key couple of sentences in my initial post to back that up: A nd III's response is to cut one of the tough OOC games after what happened last season? I hope that isn't the reason why, I hope it is because of something else not yet revealed. Because otherwise it means III is growing scared and abandoning his OOC philosophy when it comes to scheduling. That would be a shame. As I was saying. I never charged III of doing anything; instead I was baffled by those who thought it wouldn't be such a bad idea if III had pulled out (including the remarks from one member who asserted it would be a okay move because the Hoyas weren't going to likely win the game anyway). I'm guilty of playing devil's advocate as in : okay if this is true as you are claiming then this is why it is a horrible decision. The worse I actually did was rip into III's ability to coach the team to wins in these types of games and rip into my fellow posters who were comfortable with the notion that III could have axed the game because it presented too tough a challenge. So its fine to accuse me of doing something that is akin to going off the deep end, just please make sure the accusation is directed at something I actually did. Meh. First, although I did mention you by name, it was by no means meant to be only directed at you. Lots of others in this thread and others guilty of the same thing. Just that you are one of the people who has in the past provided good analysis, but have gotten so bogged down in III hate or despair or whatever it is that it clouds everything else. But more substantively, that's pretty weak. Yes, you left yourself lots of caveats. Congrats. But this whole "I'm not saying it's X, but if it were X then.." is just a weak way of arguing. You have no shred of evidence of it, yet construct an entire argument and several posts around what it would mean if it were true. Several posts? Is there a math problem you're having too? There were TWO posts that I even touched upon it before you mentioned me by name. And one of those two posts was dominated by my pointing out how good scheduling hasn't hurt the team before I tore into the theory that III making this decision to cancel was perfectly acceptable. But please don't let facts get in the way of your argument. Caveats my ***. When I want to rip into III I'll do so...directly. And you'll know it. The whole first one and a half pages of this thread was littered with folks claiming III cancelled the game out of concern for his record, so yeah, I commented on that. But I never try to pass it off as fact and I directed my irritation not so much at III (because there was no proof of him doing anything) but at mainly the people on this board who were okay with the decision if III had made it for the reason they speculated. And spare me with the "I wasn't specifically referring to you" talk when I was the one name you put out there. Isn't that just as disingenuous as you just accused me of being? No offense but...meh right back at ya, pal.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Apr 8, 2016 7:21:00 GMT -5
I am still unclear as to the reason why. Can't really rush to judgment until we know why (which we may never know). I do hope, however, that it was not because we are trying to soften our schedule. That is definitely not a problem with this program.
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Post by Filo on Apr 8, 2016 8:08:13 GMT -5
To me this is a clear indication that JT3 is feeling the heat Allow me to refer you to a now-124-page thread explaining why that isn't a thing.
As for the cancelled game, wasn't this supposedly a mutual decision? If you take that at face value (allow me to refer you to a message board...), that suggests more of a logistical issue than anybody ducking out on anybody. Nice one! It's amazing how things can be changed to fit any narrative.
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Post by cheer48 on Apr 8, 2016 8:18:23 GMT -5
a " Editeding contest " doesn`t add any truth to understanding the rationality of the decision.....pleaseome discerning soul, make that happen,,,,thanks
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Post by rccoleon on Apr 8, 2016 8:19:15 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 8, 2016 8:28:38 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. I blame JT3.
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Post by Buckets on Apr 8, 2016 9:45:09 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. This is probably the most detail we'll get -- the series was always better for us than for them. I'm less concerned with the basketball aspect of this than the institutional look. The silent cancellation of a well-promoted home and home series can't be good for relationships with a rapidly dwindling base of season ticket holders. I know that absolutely nothing from McDonough is SOP and a lot of people are used to it, but it's not helping.
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Post by guru on Apr 8, 2016 9:58:37 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. This is probably the most detail we'll get -- the series was always better for us than for them. I'm less concerned with the basketball aspect of this than the institutional look. The silent cancellation of a well-promoted home and home series can't be good for relationships with a rapidly dwindling base of season ticket holders. I know that absolutely nothing from McDonough is SOP and a lot of people are used to it, but it's not helping. Definitely true. If it's the case that this series was cancelled in 2014, this absolutely should have been communicated to season ticket holders.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 8, 2016 10:12:11 GMT -5
KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. So KU season ticket holders must be bummed that they aren't getting any good home OOC games... 123 Fireballs
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 8, 2016 12:15:24 GMT -5
KU really doesn't need to worry about the fans - they sell out every game regardless.
And as far as us wanting to cancel the game without good reason or because we were "afraid" - it makes no sense to cancel a series with a home game remaining that would most likely have been the most attended game of the year for a team with very real season ticket and attendance issues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 15:04:49 GMT -5
Here's my best guess as to what happened: one or both schools have something looming in the 2017-18 season that would have made it difficult to schedule that game. If that's the case, you definitely don't want to proceed with the front end of the home-and-home, so you plan to scrap the remaining 2 games.
So why sit on the news if it was decided in 2014? What if the potential 2017-18 conflict(s) were tentative? You quietly decide to cancel the series, but don't announce it on the off-chance that you still might play each other. If the potential conflict(s) don't pan out, you can quietly decide to un-cancel and play each other as if nothing ever happened.
Both schools kept this under wraps for more than a year - there had to be some good reasons for that.
Or, Georgetown pussed out and treated its fanbase like crap.
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Post by GPHoya on Apr 8, 2016 20:31:42 GMT -5
Improves our chances for NIT eligibility.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 9, 2016 19:47:56 GMT -5
aren't they resuming a series with Duke as well? I don't believe there is any Duke series, though there has been chatter about it over time. We last played them on our own in 2010 (which was a nice win!). Of course, we played them this past season, but that was part of the 2K classic. I think it would be great to have a series with Duke, but I don't expect that'll happen. ok i thought i read somewhere where a series with Duke would be revisited.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 9, 2016 19:50:21 GMT -5
So wait, did i miss it, did GU cancel or KU? thanks...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 9, 2016 20:45:28 GMT -5
So wait, did i miss it, did GU cancel or KU? thanks... From what has been made public, it was mutual.
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 10, 2016 10:37:53 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. This is one of the things that annoys me, and I feel it annoys a lot of the fanbase. Georgetown continually refuses to acknowledge the fanbase is an important part of running a successful program. We constantly receive information from our opponents and silence from our own athletic department. With dwindling fan interest this is something that really has to change. It is 2016, time to realize that you have to include the fanbase. Xavier gives away it's entire playbook, I'm not asking for that, but some basic communication. A paragraph update from the SID about scheduling conflicts and it being mutual would have saved 3 pages of speculation and bickering.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2016 12:48:18 GMT -5
Update on the reasoning behind this from the Lawrence-Journal World. Apparently the series was mutually agreed to be cut in half before the game at Verizon in 2014. www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/mitch-lightfoot-included-all-star-contest/KU, Hoyas halted series at two: The current four-year series between KU and Georgetown will stop at two games — KU victories in the 2014-15 season in Washington, D.C., and in Allen Fieldhouse in 2013-14. The news was reported at casualhoya.com on Thursday. However, it actually turned out to be old news. KU schedule maker Larry Keating said the schools decided to cut the four-year series in half before last season’s KU-Georgetown game was contested. Both schools had scheduling conflicts in 2015-16. Both teams have challenging nonconference schedules in 2016-17. Casualhoya.com reports that the Hoyas have home games against Maryland and UConn and a contest at Syracuse. KU plays Indiana in Honolulu, Duke in New York and likely at Kentucky in a Big 12/SEC Challenge return game. KU also travels to UNLV and plays Nebraska in Allen Fieldhouse. Also the Jayhawks play in the CBE Classic in KC with games against two of these three teams — UAB, Georgia, George Washington. This is one of the things that annoys me, and I feel it annoys a lot of the fanbase. Georgetown continually refuses to acknowledge the fanbase is an important part of running a successful program. We constantly receive information from our opponents and silence from our own athletic department. With dwindling fan interest this is something that really has to change. It is 2016, time to realize that you have to include the fanbase. Xavier gives away it's entire playbook, I'm not asking for that, but some basic communication. A paragraph update from the SID about scheduling conflicts and it being mutual would have saved 3 pages of speculation and bickering. It's not going to change, so why bitch about it?
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