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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 6, 2018 10:21:41 GMT -5
Lazy analysis by Bossi... Just took the highest ranked programs Maybe but I would put those schools ahead of the pack also tbh... High probability he ends up at Duke regardless... Agree, he's Duke's to lose at this point. If he doesn't go there, my bet is because it's because Duke prioritizes others ahead of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 10:23:50 GMT -5
Maybe but I would put those schools ahead of the pack also tbh... High probability he ends up at Duke regardless... Agree, he's Duke's to lose at this point. If he doesn't go there, my bet is because it's because Duke prioritizes others ahead of him. Yeah, and chances of that happening are pretty much zero a this point.. He's #1 on their list, they've been pushing for a commitment for a while now..
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 6, 2018 11:02:31 GMT -5
Don't count out Big Pat!
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Post by ewingitrust on Jun 6, 2018 12:53:56 GMT -5
that's what i say. We'll make his final cut. If he had to commit today, I'd lean more towards ND than Duke. However i still feel we have a real chance here as well.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 6, 2018 14:59:22 GMT -5
Lazy analysis by Bossi... Just took the highest ranked programs Maybe but I would put those schools ahead of the pack also tbh... High probability he ends up at Duke regardless... i don't get the vibe from everything I've seen on him he's such a Duke lock. The young man seems to be more introspective than that. I think he's close to a lock to one day play in the Association. Is he in a race to get there just to cash in or does he want to be ready for a long stay stay when he gets there? I'm not saying that to Cosign Coach Ewing. More of a slight towards the revolving door policy for top prospects at Duke and Kentucky that gotta go after 1 year. Michigan State, Georgetown, Villanova and even Cuse (if he's not as smart as I think he is or just wants to play close to home) to me is as much a threat to get him as Duke. We will see..
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 6, 2018 15:05:39 GMT -5
that's what i say. We'll make his final cut. If he had to commit today, I'd lean more towards ND than Duke. However i still feel we have a real chance here as well. I am slowly waking up to the fact that Big Pat has a far better selling point than any other coach in college basketball. "I have been there." And this is both in terms of having been a basketball player and a NBA coach. I may be wrong, but who out there can look a recruit in the eye and tell them that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 15:25:50 GMT -5
that's what i say. We'll make his final cut. If he had to commit today, I'd lean more towards ND than Duke. However i still feel we have a real chance here as well. I am slowly waking up to the fact that Big Pat has a far better selling point than any other coach in college basketball. "I have been there." And this is both in terms of having been a basketball player and a NBA coach. I may be wrong, but who out there can look a recruit in the eye and tell them that? It will work with some kids and not as much with others. Kids like Stewart think they're going pro no matter what, so not sure it helps here much tbh. It probably works more on kids like Kai Jones or Naheem Mcleod since they are high upside developing prospects who need more time to reach their potential. Obviously it worked with a high level kid like Yurtsevern as well. I'm not too worried about Stewart tbh. The staff has shown a good eye for talent so we'll end up with talented guys regardless.
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Post by paranoia2 on Jun 6, 2018 15:28:37 GMT -5
Coach Hypocritzky is just such an insufferable choad...Patrick is THE MAN. I will say if Stewart comes aboard is the Final Four a reasonable goal?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 6, 2018 16:55:00 GMT -5
I am slowly waking up to the fact that Big Pat has a far better selling point than any other coach in college basketball. "I have been there." And this is both in terms of having been a basketball player and a NBA coach. I may be wrong, but who out there can look a recruit in the eye and tell them that? It will work with some kids and not as much with others. Kids like Stewart think they're going pro no matter what, so not sure it helps here much tbh. It probably works more on kids like Kai Jones or Naheem Mcleod since they are high upside developing prospects who need more time to reach their potential. Obviously it worked with a high level kid like Yurtsevern as well. I'm not too worried about Stewart tbh. The staff has shown a good eye for talent so we'll end up with talented guys regardless. Truthfully, I see it having an impact even if the kid is only planning on staying one year. If it were me, I would be thinking even one year of tutelage under Ewing would be beneficial.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 6, 2018 18:15:00 GMT -5
I am slowly waking up to the fact that Big Pat has a far better selling point than any other coach in college basketball. "I have been there." And this is both in terms of having been a basketball player and a NBA coach. I may be wrong, but who out there can look a recruit in the eye and tell them that? It will work with some kids and not as much with others. Kids like Stewart think they're going pro no matter what, so not sure it helps here much tbh. It probably works more on kids like Kai Jones or Naheem Mcleod since they are high upside developing prospects who need more time to reach their potential. Obviously it worked with a high level kid like Yurtsevern as well. I'm not too worried about Stewart tbh. The staff has shown a good eye for talent so we'll end up with talented guys regardless. Yurt7 decision process should be all top prospects decision process. He probably could have gotten drafted in the 2nd round or at worst a 2 way deal. His decision tells me he's thinking longer-term, 10-12 years down the road, not just making the league and 3-4 years later outta the league. Use to be a time that college players would never leave early without a 1st round guarantee. Look at Trevon Duval. Last year at this time he was a sure Lottery pick. Now he's fighting to be a 2nd round pick. His fight to get in and stay in the league will be a challenge. He had to leave Duke when he wasn't ready because they recruited his replacement and he was mentally stuck on being 1 & done. Look at the top 10 players leaving Kentucky after their freshman year with zero draft potential. Kris Dunn stayed at Providence for 4 years and was a top 5 pick and is coming off a very good 2nd year in the association. Hart completed his 4 years and made himself a 1st round pick ending his rookie season on a high note. Bridges developed into a lottery pick after 4 years but kids with way more abilities are leaving after a year without getting the necessary development needed to be ready to be drafted much less impactful. To me these kids don't believe in their own abilities and work ethic and are thinking short term trying to cash in on the small change. Don't get me wrong it's a lot of money but if prepared it could be generational money. It's like buying Net Flix stock in 2005 and selling it in 2006 instead of doubling down and buying more...
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 7, 2018 2:57:40 GMT -5
It will work with some kids and not as much with others. Kids like Stewart think they're going pro no matter what, so not sure it helps here much tbh. It probably works more on kids like Kai Jones or Naheem Mcleod since they are high upside developing prospects who need more time to reach their potential. Obviously it worked with a high level kid like Yurtsevern as well. I'm not too worried about Stewart tbh. The staff has shown a good eye for talent so we'll end up with talented guys regardless. Yurt7 decision process should be all top prospects decision process. He probably could have gotten drafted in the 2nd round or at worst a 2 way deal. His decision tells me he's thinking longer-term, 10-12 years down the road, not just making the league and 3-4 years later outta the league. Use to be a time that college players would never leave early without a 1st round guarantee. Look at Trevon Duval. Last year at this time he was a sure Lottery pick. Now he's fighting to be a 2nd round pick. His fight to get in and stay in the league will be a challenge. He had to leave Duke when he wasn't ready because they recruited his replacement and he was mentally stuck on being 1 & done. Look at the top 10 players leaving Kentucky after their freshman year with zero draft potential. Kris Dunn stayed at Providence for 4 years and was a top 5 pick and is coming off a very good 2nd year in the association. Hart completed his 4 years and made himself a 1st round pick ending his rookie season on a high note. Bridges developed into a lottery pick after 4 years but kids with way more abilities are leaving after a year without getting the necessary development needed to be ready to be drafted much less impactful. To me these kids don't believe in their own abilities and work ethic and are thinking short term trying to cash in on the small change. Don't get me wrong it's a lot of money but if prepared it could be generational money. It's like buying Net Flix stock in 2005 and selling it in 2006 instead of doubling down and buying more... This is pretty much my view of what's going on. I have a saying that I like to see really talented guys hit the NBA running once they leave college. By that I mean guys who can put up near ALL Star numbers or All NBA Team numbers in their first season in the league. Think of Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Olajuwan, Iverson, Isiah Thomas, Duncan, Barkley, Grant Hill, etc. Yeah, obviously all of these guys got better as the seasons accumulated but the point is they were immediate impact players able to put up gaudy numbers from the get-go. People forget that Alonzo averaged 20 points his first season in the NBA, something I'm sure he would not have done if he had left school after his freshman season. People might counter and say it is more about talent than the years in school but I would toss out the names Kobe, KG and McGrady as examples of players who were as talented as anyone but didn't hit the ground running after going straight from high school to the pros. The only guy who managed to do that in this modern era was LeBron James and he is a once in a generation (or two...or three) player. I keep getting annoyed by people in the media discussing Ben Simmon's lack of even a ten foot range jumpshot without bringing up the fact that he only played a year in college and could have corrected this issue if he had stayed another season or two. But I suppose I'm in the minority because most people seem to take the position that high school kids should have the right again to go directly to the NBA. Take the money and run mentality.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Jun 7, 2018 9:14:19 GMT -5
This is pretty much my view of what's going on. I have a saying that I like to see really talented guys hit the NBA running once they leave college. By that I mean guys who can put up near ALL Star numbers or All NBA Team numbers in their first season in the league. Think of Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Olajuwan, Iverson, Isiah Thomas, Duncan, Barkley, Grant Hill, etc. Yeah, obviously all of these guys got better as the seasons accumulated but the point is they were immediate impact players able to put up gaudy numbers from the get-go. People forget that Alonzo averaged 20 points his first season in the NBA, something I'm sure he would not have done if he had left school after his freshman season. People might counter and say it is more about talent than the years in school but I would toss out the names Kobe, KG and McGrady as examples of players who were as talented as anyone but didn't hit the ground running after going straight from high school to the pros. The only guy who managed to do that in this modern era was LeBron James and he is a once in a generation (or two...or three) player. I keep getting annoyed by people in the media discussing Ben Simmon's lack of even a ten foot range jumpshot without bringing up the fact that he only played a year in college and could have corrected this issue if he had stayed another season or two. But I suppose I'm in the minority because most people seem to take the position that high school kids should have the right again to go directly to the NBA. Take the money and run mentality. Talk about selecting on the dependent with that list of players! This year alone, we saw Tatum come out after one year and shine. On the same team, Jaylen Brown had a year of mostly development in the NBA and then this year showed he's gonna be a star too. Donovan Mitchell started in college for one year. Lonzo Ball's stock likely would only drop if he stayed in college (wheres your shot, Lonzo? WHERE'S YOUR SHOT?). Markkanan, Fox, etc. Why would being in college help Simmons learn how to shoot more than being a pro (especially injured, when he had nothing else to do but practice his form)? There is zero evidence players improve better at college than as pros. There is reason to believe that if you don't have a spot in a pro rotation, you have more of a chance to prove you deserve that spot if you're in college than at the end of a pro bench or the d-league. But player improvement? It seems bizarre to me that being an amateur with academic requirements and strict rules about how often you can work with your coaching staff will somehow lead to more personal improvement than being a professional without those limits and with a lot more money to spend on helping with your craft--for someone who is focused on improvement. I can see an argument that it's easier to be distracted as a pro, I guess, but that's a pretty tenuous argument to make. Let people make up their own minds. And let kids go to/back to college instead if they get selected but decide not to go pro.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 10:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 13, 2018 13:18:20 GMT -5
This is pretty much my view of what's going on. I have a saying that I like to see really talented guys hit the NBA running once they leave college. By that I mean guys who can put up near ALL Star numbers or All NBA Team numbers in their first season in the league. Think of Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Olajuwan, Iverson, Isiah Thomas, Duncan, Barkley, Grant Hill, etc. Yeah, obviously all of these guys got better as the seasons accumulated but the point is they were immediate impact players able to put up gaudy numbers from the get-go. People forget that Alonzo averaged 20 points his first season in the NBA, something I'm sure he would not have done if he had left school after his freshman season. People might counter and say it is more about talent than the years in school but I would toss out the names Kobe, KG and McGrady as examples of players who were as talented as anyone but didn't hit the ground running after going straight from high school to the pros. The only guy who managed to do that in this modern era was LeBron James and he is a once in a generation (or two...or three) player. I keep getting annoyed by people in the media discussing Ben Simmon's lack of even a ten foot range jumpshot without bringing up the fact that he only played a year in college and could have corrected this issue if he had stayed another season or two. But I suppose I'm in the minority because most people seem to take the position that high school kids should have the right again to go directly to the NBA. Take the money and run mentality. Talk about selecting on the dependent with that list of players! This year alone, we saw Tatum come out after one year and shine. On the same team, Jaylen Brown had a year of mostly development in the NBA and then this year showed he's gonna be a star too. Donovan Mitchell started in college for one year. Lonzo Ball's stock likely would only drop if he stayed in college (wheres your shot, Lonzo? WHERE'S YOUR SHOT?). Markkanan, Fox, etc. Why would being in college help Simmons learn how to shoot more than being a pro (especially injured, when he had nothing else to do but practice his form)? There is zero evidence players improve better at college than as pros. There is reason to believe that if you don't have a spot in a pro rotation, you have more of a chance to prove you deserve that spot if you're in college than at the end of a pro bench or the d-league. But player improvement? It seems bizarre to me that being an amateur with academic requirements and strict rules about how often you can work with your coaching staff will somehow lead to more personal improvement than being a professional without those limits and with a lot more money to spend on helping with your craft--for someone who is focused on improvement. I can see an argument that it's easier to be distracted as a pro, I guess, but that's a pretty tenuous argument to make. Let people make up their own minds. And let kids go to/back to college instead if they get selected but decide not to go pro. Get out of here. This isn't about players who made some sort of impact or players who had pretty good rookie regular seasons only to play even better in the playoffs. This is about rookies who put up All Star worthy numbers, albeit maybe not All Star results in terms of wins, during their initial seasons. This is also about players in some cases who are so good in their first year that one could make arguments for them being on All NBA teams at the end of that season. None of the guys you mentioned with the possible exception of Simmons fit that criteria and in his case he sat out his first season of the pros which possibly allowed him extra needed development. And if these dudes couldn't reach the heights of these standards I'm referring to as one and done(s) coming out of college than they certainly weren't going to do it coming straight out of high school either. But by all means prove me and my flawed selectivity wrong and provide me examples of guys other than LeBron or Moses Malone who put up such great numbers as pro rookies despite not playing at least two years in college.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Jun 14, 2018 8:27:47 GMT -5
Get out of here. This isn't about players who made some sort of impact or players who had pretty good rookie regular seasons only to play even better in the playoffs. This is about rookies who put up All Star worthy numbers, albeit maybe not All Star results in terms of wins, during their initial seasons. This is also about players in some cases who are so good in their first year that one could make arguments for them being on All NBA teams at the end of that season. None of the guys you mentioned with the possible exception of Simmons fit that criteria and in his case he sat out his first season of the pros which possibly allowed him extra needed development. And if these dudes couldn't reach the heights of these standards I'm referring to as one and done(s) coming out of college than they certainly weren't going to do it coming straight out of high school either. But by all means prove me and my flawed selectivity wrong and provide me examples of guys other than LeBron or Moses Malone who put up such great numbers as pro rookies despite not playing at least two years in college. If you don't think the list of guys you listed wouldn't have dominated with only one year of college, I don't know what to say (Shaq really needed that second year at LSU? And Jordan wasn't clearly a star after his freshman year at UNC?!?). Those guys didn't do it because it wasn't allowed to be done, except for Duncan, Iverson, and Hill. I don't think an extra year or two in college is why those guys were great. The simple fact is that plenty of one and dones go on to be dominant players in the NBA and no one has shown that they bust at a higher rate than comparably highly selected non one and dones. To me, the duty is on people who want to restrict the options of young men to prove why those options should be restricted. Just because you want them in college until they're dominant doesn't mean that's right for them.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 14, 2018 9:34:55 GMT -5
Isaiah mentions in above article that he's part Jamaican...that can't hurt...as well as PE having been his favorite player going back several years and his wearing #33...I know all the pundits assume that Duke is the odds an favorite, but if Patrick can establish a meaningful emotional connection, I would think we have a pretty good shot...
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Post by paranoia2 on Jun 14, 2018 9:47:51 GMT -5
It doesn’t hurt that a floor general leader of a PG is here, a Combo forward that doesn’t need shots (LeBlanc) is here and some shooters like Pickett and McClung can space the floor.
Stewart would be he missing piece for a Final Four team. The court would bE spaced properly for him and he would be able to learn from Patrick.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jun 14, 2018 9:52:55 GMT -5
Isaiah mentions in above article that he's part Jamaican...that can't hurt...as well as PE having been his favorite player going back several years and his wearing #33...I know all the pundits assume that Duke is the odds an favorite, but if Patrick can establish a meaningful emotional connection, I would think we have a pretty good shot... I've been saying this for awhile as well. I think we have a legit chance here. The Duke talk is juss smoke screens until proven otherwise.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 14, 2018 18:33:55 GMT -5
Isaiah mentions in above article that he's part Jamaican...that can't hurt...as well as PE having been his favorite player going back several years and his wearing #33...I know all the pundits assume that Duke is the odds an favorite, but if Patrick can establish a meaningful emotional connection, I would think we have a pretty good shot... I've been saying this for awhile as well. I think we have a legit chance here. The Duke talk is juss smoke screens until proven otherwise. I love your optimism, and I hope it is rewarded.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 16, 2018 9:12:55 GMT -5
Isaiah Stewart, C, 2019
One of the most physically imposing post players in the 2019 class, Stewart appeared motivated on opening day of camp. The bruising big man competed on both ends of the floor, was active on the glass and played as physical as any player at camp. Stewart is a gifted athlete too, so when you couple his physicality and strength with his pure leaping ability, he can be tough to score against. Offensively, Stewart impressed as well. During drills early in camp, Stewart showed good shot mechanics and potential as a shooter from mid-range out to 22-feet.
Recruiting: Georgetown, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Villanova, Michigan State, Duke, Indiana, Texas, Louisville, Washington
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