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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2019 18:25:45 GMT -5
Agree that recent history is all these kids know and care about. I think we are getting cool again. ššš»
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jan 20, 2019 20:12:08 GMT -5
Going to Washington
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 20, 2019 20:12:37 GMT -5
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jan 20, 2019 20:15:07 GMT -5
I am assuming Washington plays zone primarily but I wouldn't know because no one watches Pac 12 Bball. These types of moves seem really odd and my guess is these kids aren't terribly informed. If he is looking for a pro-career and some notoriety I gotta think a move to UW is silly. I would argue the same about Oregon for Cole Anthony. Hopkins is an excellent recruiter, he was the main guy at Syracuse. Washington has improved significantly in two years. He said it was because of Hopkins
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 20, 2019 21:16:51 GMT -5
Does this make everyone as Editeded as it makes me? Its one thing to not want Ewing(your all time fav player) for Duke or MSU. But UW? Its not like UW has put bigs in the L. Its not like UW is winning. How is this kid not a Hoya if he didn't need a blueblood?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 20, 2019 21:23:42 GMT -5
Frankly, I thought Pat would be landing top bigs out of the gate. I am a bit disappointed kids havenāt jumped at the opportunity to play for him.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jan 20, 2019 21:48:44 GMT -5
Frankly, I thought Pat would be landing top bigs out of the gate. I am a bit disappointed kids havenāt jumped at the opportunity to play for him. I don't think the kids value of what Coach brings to the team or the individual big. I truly believe he assisted Derrickson and Govan. I don't believe they got there on their own. Great education, learn from a great.... I thought this up-tempo offense would bring more guards. Perhaps winning will do it. I don't know what these young Cats are looking for. I hope PoD is right, hopefully we have a chance with Cole Anthony.
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Post by concord on Jan 20, 2019 23:13:29 GMT -5
Isnāt it possible (I have not studied up) that Hopkins has a relationship with this kid going back years, when he was originally recruiting him for Cuse? I doubt a kid from Rochester randomly goes to Washington otherwise. Ewing may be a legend but heās only been a coach for a year plus and has been playing from behind on the 2019 class.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 20, 2019 23:56:27 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to make their own mistakes.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 21, 2019 8:46:24 GMT -5
Isnāt it possible (I have not studied up) that Hopkins has a relationship with this kid going back years, when he was originally recruiting him for Cuse? I doubt a kid from Rochester randomly goes to Washington otherwise. Ewing may be a legend but heās only been a coach for a year plus and has been playing from behind on the 2019 class. I don't like doing it but you have to give Hopkins credit for pulling a 5 star recruit from the East Coast out to Washington. He must have developed a really strong relationship with the player and was able to close the deal. Hopkins is a really strong recruiter.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 21, 2019 9:06:35 GMT -5
I think we can all agree these are the types of ārecruiting winsā that should be moved to the basketball bribery scandal thread. Nice to see Hopkins hasnāt changed his stripes.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 21, 2019 12:36:42 GMT -5
Does this make everyone as Editeded as it makes me? Its one thing to not want Ewing(your all time fav player) for Duke or MSU. But UW? Its not like UW has put bigs in the L. Its not like UW is winning. How is this kid not a Hoya if he didn't need a blueblood? Yea this is both puzzling and frustrating.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Jan 21, 2019 12:49:06 GMT -5
Does this make everyone as Editeded as it makes me? Its one thing to not want Ewing(your all time fav player) for Duke or MSU. But UW? Its not like UW has put bigs in the L. Its not like UW is winning. How is this kid not a Hoya if he didn't need a blueblood? Yea this is both puzzling and frustrating. Some factors: - Hopkins was on him since Freshman year - Stewart went to a HS within couple hours of Syracuse - Hopkins is more established of a coach at this point than Ewing
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 21, 2019 13:49:44 GMT -5
Yea this is both puzzling and frustrating. Some factors: - Hopkins was on him since Freshman year - Stewart went to a HS within couple hours of Syracuse - Hopkins is more established of a coach at this point than Ewing Not that it matters, but I donāt understand though how we donāt even make his Top 5 if it wasnāt that important to go to an NBA factory (Duke) or under a HOF coach (Mich St) when heās a self proclaimed Ewing fan. You make valid points about Hopkins, but if the situation at Washington beat out Duke, Cuse, and Mich St, then obviously he was willing to look past factors that were working against us. Iād have thought if that was the case weād have made his Top 5 at least.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jan 21, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5
Some factors: - Hopkins was on him since Freshman year - Stewart went to a HS within couple hours of Syracuse - Hopkins is more established of a coach at this point than Ewing Not that it matters, but I donāt understand though how we donāt make his Top 5 if it wasnāt that important to go to an NBA factory or under a HOF coach when heās a self proclaimed Ewing fan. It's best to take any statement from a 18 yr old with a grain of salt. Just like when kids (some, and not all) make a statement of looking for a strong academic school, etc.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 21, 2019 14:46:54 GMT -5
Agree that recent history is all these kids know and care about. I think we are getting cool again. ššš» As of yesterday: Georgetown: 12-6 (2-3 BE, 8th), NET: 95, RPI: 113 Washington: 14-4 (5-0 P12, 1st), NET: 36, RPI: 31 I'm not going to sit here and compare the overall history of the two programs and I won't try and discount the years of relationship building (legal or illegal) that Hopkins put into landing Stewart. But the constant gripes of "I don't understand why Kid X wouldn't want to play for a NBA HOFer like Ewing" needs to stop until this regime can get some quality wins and start appreciably changing the trajectory of this program. I've said this on other threads before but I'll say it again: this period is an absolutely critical time for Ewing to be showing recruits that he's building something here that's on the up-and-up. Improved pace and overall freedom of play is great and all, but following up 15-15 last year with a 16-17 win performance and no postseason of any kind is not going to cut it. A faster start this year may have caused some kids to give us a harder look, but we haven't held up our end of the bargain by blowing most of these close games. Pat's got less than two months to right the ship on the court; failing to do so makes his job a lot harder when the spring recruiting period heats up.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 21, 2019 15:25:19 GMT -5
Agree that recent history is all these kids know and care about. I think we are getting cool again. ššš» As of yesterday: Georgetown: 12-6 (2-3 BE, 8th), NET: 95, RPI: 113 Washington: 14-4 (5-0 P12, 1st), NET: 36, RPI: 31 I'm not going to sit here and compare the overall history of the two programs and I won't try and discount the years of relationship building (legal or illegal) that Hopkins put into landing Stewart. But the constant gripes of "I don't understand why Kid X wouldn't want to play for a NBA HOFer like Ewing" needs to stop until this regime can get some quality wins and start appreciably changing the trajectory of this program. I've said this on other threads before but I'll say it again: this period is an absolutely critical time for Ewing to be showing recruits that he's building something here that's on the up-and-up. Improved pace and overall freedom of play is great and all, but following up 15-15 last year with a 16-17 win performance and no postseason of any kind is not going to cut it. A faster start this year may have caused some kids to give us a harder look, but we haven't held up our end of the bargain by blowing most of these close games. Pat's got less than two months to right the ship on the court; failing to do so makes his job a lot harder when the spring recruiting period heats up. Fair enough. My only point was not even making the Top 5 was a let down. Landing him I never expected.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 21, 2019 16:34:30 GMT -5
As of yesterday: Georgetown: 12-6 (2-3 BE, 8th), NET: 95, RPI: 113 Washington: 14-4 (5-0 P12, 1st), NET: 36, RPI: 31 I'm not going to sit here and compare the overall history of the two programs and I won't try and discount the years of relationship building (legal or illegal) that Hopkins put into landing Stewart. But the constant gripes of "I don't understand why Kid X wouldn't want to play for a NBA HOFer like Ewing" needs to stop until this regime can get some quality wins and start appreciably changing the trajectory of this program. I've said this on other threads before but I'll say it again: this period is an absolutely critical time for Ewing to be showing recruits that he's building something here that's on the up-and-up. Improved pace and overall freedom of play is great and all, but following up 15-15 last year with a 16-17 win performance and no postseason of any kind is not going to cut it. A faster start this year may have caused some kids to give us a harder look, but we haven't held up our end of the bargain by blowing most of these close games. Pat's got less than two months to right the ship on the court; failing to do so makes his job a lot harder when the spring recruiting period heats up. Fair enough. My only point was not even making the Top 5 was a let down. Landing him I never expected. Agree 100%. Really even more mad about Cockburn; for those who think Ewing is underachieving in 1.5 seasons, what Underwood is doing at Illinois in the same timeframe is dreadful by comparison. That by far is more fishy to me.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 21, 2019 18:15:34 GMT -5
As of yesterday: Georgetown: 12-6 (2-3 BE, 8th), NET: 95, RPI: 113 Washington: 14-4 (5-0 P12, 1st), NET: 36, RPI: 31 I'm not going to sit here and compare the overall history of the two programs and I won't try and discount the years of relationship building (legal or illegal) that Hopkins put into landing Stewart. But the constant gripes of "I don't understand why Kid X wouldn't want to play for a NBA HOFer like Ewing" needs to stop until this regime can get some quality wins and start appreciably changing the trajectory of this program. I've said this on other threads before but I'll say it again: this period is an absolutely critical time for Ewing to be showing recruits that he's building something here that's on the up-and-up. Improved pace and overall freedom of play is great and all, but following up 15-15 last year with a 16-17 win performance and no postseason of any kind is not going to cut it. A faster start this year may have caused some kids to give us a harder look, but we haven't held up our end of the bargain by blowing most of these close games. Pat's got less than two months to right the ship on the court; failing to do so makes his job a lot harder when the spring recruiting period heats up. Fair enough. My only point was not even making the Top 5 was a let down. Landing him I never expected. [/quote Not really if you look at their schedule..UW doesn't have 1 quality win and they lost to every good team they have played. UW plays in the PAC10 which is considered the worst of the bball conferences. UW coach doesn't have any more head coaching experience than ours and ours has NBA coaching experience. I would venture to say us beating Butler is better than any UW win....and even if he didn't want GTown its still a shame that we didn't make the top 5.....
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 21, 2019 19:46:14 GMT -5
Fair enough. My only point was not even making the Top 5 was a let down. Landing him I never expected. Not really if you look at their schedule..UW doesn't have 1 quality win and they lost to every good team they have played. UW plays in the PAC10 which is considered the worst of the bball conferences. UW coach doesn't have any more head coaching experience than ours and ours has NBA coaching experience. I would venture to say us beating Butler is better than any UW win....and even if he didn't want GTown its still a shame that we didn't make the top 5..... I doubt Stewart is comparing the resumes of all his schools down to the quality of their wins. If we're playing the strength of schedule card, who's winning that? It certainly won't be us. What he's likely to hear is a pitch from a guy like Hopkins who can say he took a team that won 9 games the year before he got there and turned it into a 21 win NIT team in Year 1. And he now has a team that is projected to make the Dance in Year 2. Can Pat claim anything close to that right now? Not sure why NBA coaching experience should be more valued at the college level than college coaching experience. At the next level, it's more about managing egos than it is about player development. If anything, college experience probably is more important at the college level than NBA experience. Not trying to argue that Hopkins is some great coach, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that Pat's a vastly superior coach just because he coached in the NBA vs. college. We were likely never in play for this kid, but my main point is that if we're going to try to position ourselves to be in play for other impact kids down the road, the winning has to start now. This cannot be another lost season for this program in the next 2 months. The momentum both on and off the court have to materialize sooner rather than later.
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