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Post by Grandpa on May 2, 2005 12:31:43 GMT -5
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Post by RaChi8 on May 2, 2005 12:44:43 GMT -5
One of my all-time favorite Hoyas.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 2, 2005 22:20:01 GMT -5
great article im proud of him and proud to be a hoya go hoyas is it nov yet  |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 3, 2005 15:05:30 GMT -5
Now, I wonder if Chico is assistant GM? He was working at the Barbary Coast last time I saw him.
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Post by the_way on May 3, 2005 15:22:57 GMT -5
Now, I wonder if Chico is assistant GM? He was working at the Barbary Coast last time I saw him. Who is Chico? |
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Post by FOTP on May 3, 2005 15:26:15 GMT -5
Irvin Church...guard from the late 90's. He's a pit boss at Barbary Coast as well. Basically the entire team works there for Brendan Gaughn's dad.
Same guy that got JTII in trouble with the whole slot machine thingy before he quit during the beginning of the season.
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Post by the_way on May 3, 2005 15:29:38 GMT -5
Irvin Church...guard from the late 90's. He's a pit boss at Barbary Coast as well. Basically the entire team works there for Brendan Gaughn's dad. Same guy that got JTII in trouble with the whole slot machine thingy before he quit during the beginning of the season. How did he get JTII in trouble? I thought JT2 said his divorce made him step down. I know at one point JT2 was interested in slots and a big stink was made during the 1996 NCAA tournament. But thats all I can remember. |
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Post by SSHoya on May 3, 2005 15:46:03 GMT -5
He didn't really get in trouble per se. My recall is that it was not against NCAA regulations but as the summary from USA Today suggests, O'Donovan and the NCAA were "uncomfortable" with a college coach being associated with a gaming license. I recall that JTII said that since he worked for O'Donovan, and that if Father O'Donovan felt "uncomfortable" he would drop his bid for the gaming license in deference to his boss:
Jack Carey
USA Today
03-21-1996
ATLANTA -- Georgetown men's basketball coach John Thompson said Wednesday he will drop his bid to obtain a Nevada gaming license at the request of university President Rev. Leo J. O'Donovan.
O'Donovan and NCAA executive director Cedric Dempsey said this week they were uncomfortable with Thompson's attempt to gain the license and purchase 10% interest in a subsidiary of Coast Resorts Inc., which operates slot machines at
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Post by KHoyaNYC on May 3, 2005 15:47:50 GMT -5
That's not why he resigned. The whole lot issue got him in trouble with Leo (and the NCAA indirectly) but he dropped his bid for the license.
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Post by the_way on May 3, 2005 15:49:18 GMT -5
He didn't really get in trouble per se. My recall is that it was not against NCAA regulations but as the summary from USA Today suggests, O'Donovan and the NCAA were "uncomfortable" with a college coach being associated with a gaming license. I recall that JTII said that since he worked for O'Donovan, and that if Father O'Donovan felt "uncomfortable" he would drop his bid for the gaming license in deference to his boss: Jack Carey USA Today 03-21-1996 ATLANTA -- Georgetown men's basketball coach John Thompson said Wednesday he will drop his bid to obtain a Nevada gaming license at the request of university President Rev. Leo J. O'Donovan. O'Donovan and NCAA executive director Cedric Dempsey said this week they were uncomfortable with Thompson's attempt to gain the license and purchase 10% interest in a subsidiary of Coast Resorts Inc., which operates slot machines at Yeah I know that, but I'm talking about his affilation with Gaughan didn't make him step down during the 1998-1999 season. |
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Post by SSHoya on May 3, 2005 16:11:31 GMT -5
Correct, I don't think his affiliation with Gaughan had much (or anything) to do with JTII stepping down. Other factors as you mentioned, divorce, etc. . .
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Post by FOTP on May 3, 2005 16:31:22 GMT -5
I wasn't implying that that was the reason for him stepping down. I'm sure it was some personal stuff.
I'm just saying...if things look fishy...
The reality is JTII lost all credibility with me when he stuck Brendan Gaughn on the team when he literally wasn't good enough to play on our intramural team. Just an embarressment to the kid, the coach and the university. All in the name of "friendship" with the casino owner in Las Vegas that happened to be helping him out with his bid on slot machines in the airport.
The whole thing stunk to high heaven whether it was against the rules or not.
Poor judgement in general.
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Post by the_way on May 3, 2005 17:55:37 GMT -5
I wasn't implying that that was the reason for him stepping down. I'm sure it was some personal stuff. I'm just saying...if things look fishy... The reality is JTII lost all credibility with me when he stuck Brendan Gaughn on the team when he literally wasn't good enough to play on our intramural team. Just an embarressment to the kid, the coach and the university. All in the name of "friendship" with the casino owner in Las Vegas that happened to be helping him out with his bid on slot machines in the airport. The whole thing stunk to high heaven whether it was against the rules or not. Poor judgement in general. Man! Brendan Gaughan's presence on the team destroyed JT2's and GU's place as a powerhouse in Basketball history and brought the entire program down.  JT2 shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because he put Brendan Gaughan on the team. It left an indelible mark on this program, and it will be hard for JT2, GU, and the program to bounce back from Brendan Gaughan. Shame on JT2, just bad!!! Yeah right!! You are crazy. Get real! Nobody thought twice about Brendan Gaughan's place on the team. There are other guys who rode the pine and never saw the light of day on the court. Gaughan is having success in his career and he is a Hoya. |
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Post by angus on May 3, 2005 18:15:21 GMT -5
Man! Brendan Gaughan's presence on the team destroyed JT2's and GU's place as a powerhouse in Basketball history and brought the entire program down. JT2 shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because he put Brendan Gaughan on the team. It left an indelible mark on this program, and it will be hard for JT2, GU, and the program to bounce back from Brendan Gaughan. Shame on JT2, just bad!!! Yeah right!! You are crazy. Get real! Nobody thought twice about Brendan Gaughan's place on the team. There are other guys who rode the pine and never saw the light of day on the court. Gaughan is having success in his career and he is a Hoya. ________________________ Try responding to what FOTP wrote instead of grossly distorting it and responding to your distortion. Once you get past your perversion of FOTP's point, I'm sure you can see some validity in his criticism of Coach Thompson for putting Brendan Gaughan on the hoop team. If you need to move the target to make your argument, chances are you don't have a valid one. |
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Post by the_way on May 4, 2005 7:35:15 GMT -5
________________________ Try responding to what FOTP wrote instead of grossly distorting it and responding to your distortion. Once you get past your perversion of FOTP's point, I'm sure you can see some validity in his criticism of Coach Thompson for putting Brendan Gaughan on the hoop team. If you need to move the target to make your argument, chances are you don't have a valid one. For those that need to read things in plain english and can only focus on "stationary targets",like I said before, if you are going to question Brendan Gaughan's place on the team, then you have to question JT2 about every player that played for GU who didn't receive playing time in their four year careers. Brendan Gaughan's placement on the team did nothing to JT2's credibility or lessen his place in GU history. |
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Post by angus on May 4, 2005 9:00:32 GMT -5
For those that need to read things in plain english and can only focus on "stationary targets",like I said before, if you are going to question Brendan Gaughan's place on the team, then you have to question JT2 about every player that played for GU who didn't receive playing time in their four year careers. Brendan Gaughan's placement on the team did nothing to JT2's credibility or lessen his place in GU history. _________________ Your response lacks any logic. JT2 put Brendan Gaughan on the team because he had a personal friendship and business relationship with a casino owner in Vegas. Brendan Gaughan, unlike other GU basketball bench warmers, is unique in that regard. You also overreach when you say that this course of action did not impact Coach T's credibility. Credibility is a matter of opinion. Many loyal Hoya fans find this decision by Coach Thompson to be troublesome from a credibility point of view. If this fact does not lessen JT's credibility in your eyes, fine. But you are not the sole judge of credibility. |
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Post by the_way on May 4, 2005 9:17:24 GMT -5
_________________ Your response lacks any logic. JT2 put Brendan Gaughan on the team because he had a personal friendship and business relationship with a casino owner in Vegas. Brendan Gaughan, unlike other GU basketball bench warmers, is unique in that regard. You also overreach when you say that this course of action did not impact Coach T's credibility. Credibility is a matter of opinion. Many loyal Hoya fans find this decision by Coach Thompson to be troublesome from a credibility point of view. If this fact does not lessen JT's credibility in your eyes, fine. But you are not the sole judge of credibility. These so-called "loyal fans" are a small number, to put it mildly. I'm quite sure that the number of people is less than 10. You do not know the entire facts of why Brendan was on the team. He was a good practice player. There are a lot of guys that rode the pine for GU and other colleges abroad, that still played a significant part with their respective teams. |
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Post by angus on May 4, 2005 9:33:31 GMT -5
These so-called "loyal fans" are a small number, to put it mildly. I'm quite sure that the number of people is less than 10. You do not know the entire facts of why Brendan was on the team. He was a good practice player. There are a lot of guys that rode the pine for GU and other colleges abroad, that still played a significant part with their respective teams. _______________________ When you finish your survey of all Georgetown basketball fans and derive the actual number that question the ethics of Coach Thompson on this issue, let me know if it is more or less than 10. When you produce any fact supporting your statement that Brendan Gaughan was a "good practice player," let me know. While you are at it, also let me know the "entire facts" about why Brendan was on the team. Clearly you know and I don't. Yes, there are "a lot of guys that rode the pine for GU and other colleges abroad, that still played a significant part with their respective teams," but how many of them had father's who contemplated casino business partnerships with the institution's head coach? |
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Post by FOTP on May 4, 2005 9:47:50 GMT -5
I never said anything about ruining JTII's legacy or anything of the sort. I'm really just stating facts here. Maybe the part about Gaughn's playing ability can be construed as opinion, but I can promise you...having played against him and watching his inability to complete layups during pre-game drills that his place on the team had absolutely nothing to do with basketball.
Now JTII can do whatever he wanted to do in terms of putting guys on the team. I have no problem with that.
the_way....can you even see the potential conflict on interest in this situation? I fully support Brendan in his new career and I'm glad he was a Hoya and all. Congrats and I wish him all the best. My only point was that JTII looked pretty bad in this entire situation.
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Post by the_way on May 4, 2005 10:21:09 GMT -5
I never said anything about ruining JTII's legacy or anything of the sort. I'm really just stating facts here. Maybe the part about Gaughn's playing ability can be construed as opinion, but I can promise you...having played against him and watching his inability to complete layups during pre-game drills that his place on the team had absolutely nothing to do with basketball. Now JTII can do whatever he wanted to do in terms of putting guys on the team. I have no problem with that. the_way....can you even see the potential conflict on interest in this situation? I fully support Brendan in his new career and I'm glad he was a Hoya and all. Congrats and I wish him all the best. My only point was that JTII looked pretty bad in this entire situation. I hear what you are saying. I don't disagree with you. What I'm saying is, this is not a rare moment in college basketball. It happens all the time. JT2 had Brendan rough up Iverson in practice to get him in shape for Big East play. He had some service to the team, and is still close with many of his teammates, especially Jahidi White and Jerome Williams. Whats the difference between having Brendan on the team, and having PE, Jr. on the team. One can play basketball a lot better, but the connection is still with the father. JTII could put anybody on the team he wants as long as they meet academic standards and contribute in some fashion to help the team win. Brendan met those qualifications. |
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JT2 shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because he put Brendan Gaughan on the team. It left an indelible mark on this program, and it will be hard for JT2, GU, and the program to bounce back from Brendan Gaughan. Shame on JT2, just bad!!!