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Post by This Just In on Dec 30, 2015 9:44:00 GMT -5
Tamir Rice Case in Ohio: No Indictment
How can a Grand Jury see a 12 year old get shot in 2 seconds on video and decide not to press charges?
I assume it is the same way a Grand Jury in Long Island can see a man get chocked to death on video and do same the same thing.
This board is full of legal analysts, maybe someone can shed more light on the Grand Jury decision?
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Post by kchoya on Dec 30, 2015 11:51:26 GMT -5
This board is full of legal analysts, maybe someone can shed more light on the Grand Jury decision? Grand jury proceedings are secret, so no. |
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Post by thebin on Dec 30, 2015 13:51:29 GMT -5
Think this piece is fair. "...Strip away the rhetoric, and McGinty has made a clear statement about police conduct: If police perceive a threat to their lives then they’ve de facto justified their actions regardless of context, even if it ends with taking the life of a child. That includes situations like the Rice shooting, where police chose to create a confrontation, rather than manage an encounter. More broadly, police are empowered to take control of all situations by any means necessary, even those that aren’t criminal. They have no obligation to survey a situation to seek the least violent resolution. Taken together, these prerogatives—established time and again, by departments across the country—encourage police to use lethal force as the first resort. It’s tempting to see this with sympathy. Police, after all, are just ordinary people. They want to go home to their friends, partners, and children. Blue lives matter, goes the mantra, police have a right to go home safely. This is true, but only to an extent. Part of policing is risk. Not just the inevitable risk of the unknown, but voluntary risk. We ask police to “serve and protect” the broad public, which—at times—means accepting risk when necessary to defuse dangerous situations and protect lives, innocent or otherwise. It’s why we give them weapons and the authority to use them; why we compensate them with decent salaries and generous pensions; why we hold them in high esteem and why we give them wide berth in procedure and practice. What we see with Tamir Rice—and what we’ve seen in shootings across the country—is what happens when the officer’s safety supercedes the obligation to accept risk. If “going home” is what matters—and risk is unacceptable—then the instant use of lethal force makes sense. It’s the only thing that guarantees complete safety from harm...." www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/12/the_tamir_rice_grand_jury_decision_shows_that_we_give_police_too_wide_a.html |
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 15:27:08 GMT -5
Also unclear is how the conduct of the officers makes sense particularly in a state with open carry...
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Post by This Just In on Dec 30, 2015 17:50:11 GMT -5
Also unclear is how the conduct of the officers makes sense particularly in a state with open carry... Also last year in Ohio on Aug. 5, 2014, you have the shooting of John Crawford III in Walmart It is pretty weird that these shootings keep happening in a state with an open to carry fire arm law... Video of John Crawford III's shooting is below: No charges were filed |
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 18:03:42 GMT -5
Also unclear is how the conduct of the officers makes sense particularly in a state with open carry... Also last year in Ohio on Aug. 5, 2014, you have the shooting of John Crawford III in Walmart It is pretty weird that these shootings keep happening in a state with an open to carry fire arm law... Video of John Crawford III's shooting is below: No charges were filed Hmm, are there any similarities between the victims in the two incidents? None that I can see. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 30, 2015 18:26:48 GMT -5
Also last year in Ohio on Aug. 5, 2014, you have the shooting of John Crawford III in Walmart It is pretty weird that these shootings keep happening in a state with an open to carry fire arm law... Video of John Crawford III's shooting is below: No charges were filed Hmm, are there any similarities between the victims in the two incidents? None that I can see. If you want to say something, just say it. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 30, 2015 19:13:08 GMT -5
It is pretty weird that these shootings keep happening in a state with an open to carry fire arm law... Do you know how many states permit open carry? More than most think. |
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Post by quickplay on Dec 30, 2015 19:18:50 GMT -5
Hmm, are there any similarities between the victims in the two incidents? None that I can see. If you want to say something, just say it. Sure. If these boys were white they'd still be alive. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 31, 2015 16:36:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately, what's new? Big, scary black man defense. Works damn near every time. That was a straight up police execution.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 31, 2015 17:05:41 GMT -5
If you want to say something, just say it. Sure. If these boys were white they'd still be alive. Keep on thinking that, but probably not true. |
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 31, 2015 17:14:08 GMT -5
Funny how the cops didn't notice all the other people at the park not running away from the gun.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 1, 2016 13:09:54 GMT -5
Sure. If these boys were white they'd still be alive. Keep on thinking that, but probably not true. Yeah, right.  |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 1, 2016 14:11:01 GMT -5
Keep on thinking that, but probably not true. Yeah, right. You think otherwise? Power-hungry cops are power-hungry cops, no matter the race of the cop or the suspect/arrestee. You can go to the whitest of the white states/cities and you will have problems with cop shootings and abuses. This so much more a power/oversight/training problem than it is a race problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 14:28:19 GMT -5
I am not trying to inflame the situation, but in all fairness; if you are a policeman and it is night and you see a 5 feet 7, 195 pound individual coming at you with what appears to be a gun, what do you do?? Hesitation could mean you are shot and killed??? To me it looks like a horrible unfortunate accident.
Don't jump on me all at once. I am just trying to look at this from another viewpoint.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 1, 2016 14:38:56 GMT -5
I am not trying to inflame the situation, but in all fairness; if you are a policeman and it is night and you see a 5 feet 7, 195 pound individual coming at you with what appears to be a gun, what do you do?? Hesitation could mean you are shot and killed??? To me it looks like a horrible unfortunate accident. Don't jump on me all at once. I am just trying to look at this from another viewpoint. Unfortunate accident my behind. That was a straight up execution. The police could not have handled it any worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 17:17:47 GMT -5
I understand how you feel. However, how would you handle that scenario
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Post by NoCleverName on Jan 1, 2016 19:11:32 GMT -5
I am not trying to inflame the situation, but in all fairness; if you are a policeman and it is night and you see a 5 feet 7, 195 pound individual coming at you with what appears to be a gun, what do you do?? Hesitation could mean you are shot and killed??? To me it looks like a horrible unfortunate accident. Don't jump on me all at once. I am just trying to look at this from another viewpoint. Where was it reported that Rice was coming at the policeman? In the video I saw, the police approached Rice and fired immediately, seemingly before giving him any chance to react to the policeman's orders. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 19:15:31 GMT -5
It appears that I may have confused this with another situation. In that case I am wrong.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 1, 2016 21:31:30 GMT -5
I understand how you feel. However, how would you handle that scenario I damn sure would not have rolled up on him and jumped out the car shooting. |
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