Barkley believes Bulls would beat Golden State Warriors

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What has he been smoking. First of all, Barkley describes the GSW as a little team when in fact that are about the same size as the Bulls were. Also, he is talking about the Bulls in an expansion year. The problem is that current players are miles better than players in 1995-1996. Neither Rodman or Pippen were significant offensive players and Luc Longley was slow and not much of a threat to block shots. As a matter of fact, Rodman couldn't shoot unless he was 3 feet from the basket. With the exception of the center, all of the GSW players are excellent 3 point shooters. Only Steve Kerr was an excellent 3 point shooters and he had to be wide open to get it off. Jordan was an OK 3 point shooter (he was a career 39% 3 point shooter).
My opinion that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the GSW today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.

[TBird41]

I don't know about 10 out of 10, but it's hard to see the Bulls keeping up offensively. Of course, it depends on whether the game was played under 1990s rules or the current rules.

[kchoya]

Dec 18, 2015 7:47:07 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

What has he been smoking. First of all, Barkley describes the GSW as a little team when in fact that are about the same size as the Bulls were. Also, he is talking about the Bulls in an expansion year. The problem is that current players are miles better than players in 1995-1996. Neither Rodman or Pippen were significant offensive players and Luc Longley was slow and not much of a threat to block shots. As a matter of fact, Rodman couldn't shoot unless he was 3 feet from the basket. With the exception of the center, all of the GSW players are excellent 3 point shooters. Only Steve Kerr was an excellent 3 point shooters and he had to be wide open to get it off. Jordan was an OK 3 point shooter (he was a career 39% 3 point shooter).
My opinion that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the GSW today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.

I assume you're 15 years old and didn't even watch the 95-96 team. The Warriors would win 10 out of 10? That's the stupidest thing I've heard all year (though there are two weeks left). By all means, let's take your opinion over a HOFer's opinion.

Among other things, you do realize that the 95-96 Bulls actually had a better Offensive Rating than this year's Warriors? But you're focused on how slow Luc Longley was. Clearly Bogut is a speed demon compared to his fellow Aussie.

If Pippen wasn't a "significant offensive player" at 19-6-6, then what is Klay Thompson, who's averaging 19-3-2? But when you think GS shooting 43% from three is so much better than the Bulls shooting 40% from three, you might have a point.

Never mind, this is clearly a troll post. Can't believe I wasted my time.

[Elvado]

Unless and until Jordan is excised from that Bulls team, they win, and win big.

Steph Curry is great. Michael, though I have loathed him since 3/29/82, is immortal. He would take Curry to the woodshed.

[sleepyjackson21]

If the game was played under 1990's rules, Jordan and Pippen would be ALL OVER Curry and Thompson. You stop them by being physical with them, especially Curry. Curry can and will get frustrated. I think the Bulls win going away. Today's rules, different story and more interesting game. That one would be a fun one to watch.

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Dec 18, 2015 18:52:15 GMT -5 sleepyjackson21 said:

If the game was played under 1990's rules, Jordan and Pippen would be ALL OVER Curry and Thompson. You stop them by being physical with them, especially Curry. Curry can and will get frustrated. I think the Bulls win going away. Today's rules, different story and more interesting game. That one would be a fun one to watch.

And Steve Kerr guards who?? Green, Barnes?? Hm!!

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Dec 18, 2015 14:17:47 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Dec 18, 2015 7:47:07 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

What has he been smoking. First of all, Barkley describes the GSW as a little team when in fact that are about the same size as the Bulls were. Also, he is talking about the Bulls in an expansion year. The problem is that current players are miles better than players in 1995-1996. Neither Rodman or Pippen were significant offensive players and Luc Longley was slow and not much of a threat to block shots. As a matter of fact, Rodman couldn't shoot unless he was 3 feet from the basket. With the exception of the center, all of the GSW players are excellent 3 point shooters. Only Steve Kerr was an excellent 3 point shooters and he had to be wide open to get it off. Jordan was an OK 3 point shooter (he was a career 39% 3 point shooter).
My opinion that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the GSW today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.

I assume you're 15 years old and didn't even watch the 95-96 team. The Warriors would win 10 out of 10? That's the stupidest thing I've heard all year (though there are two weeks left). By all means, let's take your opinion over a HOFer's opinion.

Among other things, you do realize that the 95-96 Bulls actually had a better Offensive Rating than this year's Warriors? But you're focused on how slow Luc Longley was. Clearly Bogut is a speed demon compared to his fellow Aussie.

If Pippen wasn't a "significant offensive player" at 19-6-6, then what is Klay Thompson, who's averaging 19-3-2? But when you think GS shooting 43% from three is so much better than the Bulls shooting 40% from three, you might have a point.

Never mind, this is clearly a troll post. Can't believe I wasted my time.

First of all, The Bulls hardly shot 3s. If you don't shoot many 3 it really doesn't matter the percent made. Only Kerr had a good average and he had to be wide open. He couldn't make his own threes like Thompson and Curry. Rodman couldn't shoot more than 3 feet from the basket and Pippen was not a 3 point shooter and neither was Jordan. Pippen and Rodman could hang around the rim because other teams didn't have forwards who were threats from 3 and also didn't have the ability to rebound and run like the Golden State Warriors. On the other hand Golden State shoots many many 3s every game. They are setting records for the most 3 point shots made. Longley was not a shot blocker, whereas Ezeli/Bogut average 2.7 blocks a game.

Secondly, the NBA teams back then played terrible team defense. All you had to do was look at how NBA teams did against international competition the once international teams got decent players. I remember how Greece without an NBA player on their team took our NBA players apart (it was either the world cup or the Olympics). Only recently, the NBA players are dominating again in world competition.

Third and most important-the professional athletes are miles better than they were 20 years ago. The Washington Redskins won the super bowl with their vaunted offensive line which included 3 all pros. They averaged 260 pounds. I wonder how they would do against the players today??
In the 1990s, if a pitcher threw 90 miles per hour they were considered a flame thrower. Today pitchers are throwing close to 100 mph
Runners run faster, swimmers swim faster. Golf courses are made longer and harder because today's player are so good. And basketball players are bigger, stronger and shoot much much better. The only reason we are debating this is because it is visually difficult to see the difference in skill. If there were no clocks, people would be arguing that Mark Spitz was a faster swimmer than Michael Phelps.

4th, Barkley's comment that the Golden State Warriors are a small team is totally wrong even if he is a hall of famer. Barkley has made numerous inane statements in the past. The warriors are about the same size. Curry is 6'3", Klay Thompson is 6'7" Bogut is 7 foot. Incidentally, who does Steve Kerry guard?

Lastly and most important KCHOYA. Why do you find it necessary to personally insult people who do not agree with you. If you find it a waste of time, don't post. BTW, have you ever been wrong???

[kchoya]

Dec 18, 2015 21:29:51 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

Dec 18, 2015 14:17:47 GMT -5 kchoya said:

I assume you're 15 years old and didn't even watch the 95-96 team. The Warriors would win 10 out of 10? That's the stupidest thing I've heard all year (though there are two weeks left). By all means, let's take your opinion over a HOFer's opinion.

Among other things, you do realize that the 95-96 Bulls actually had a better Offensive Rating than this year's Warriors? But you're focused on how slow Luc Longley was. Clearly Bogut is a speed demon compared to his fellow Aussie.

If Pippen wasn't a "significant offensive player" at 19-6-6, then what is Klay Thompson, who's averaging 19-3-2? But when you think GS shooting 43% from three is so much better than the Bulls shooting 40% from three, you might have a point.

Never mind, this is clearly a troll post. Can't believe I wasted my time.

First of all, The Bulls hardly shot 3s. If you don't shoot many 3 it really doesn't matter the percent made. Only Kerr had a good average and he had to be wide open. He couldn't make his own threes like Thompson and Curry. Rodman couldn't shoot more than 3 feet from the basket and Pippen was not a 3 point shooter and neither was Jordan. Pippen and Rodman could hang around the rim because other teams didn't have forwards who were threats from 3 and also didn't have the ability to rebound and run like the Golden State Warriors. On the other hand Golden State shoots many many 3s every game. They are setting records for the most 3 point shots made. Longley was not a shot blocker, whereas Ezeli/Bogut average 2.7 blocks a game.

Secondly, the NBA teams back then played terrible team defense. All you had to do was look at how NBA teams did against international competition the once international teams got decent players. I remember how Greece without an NBA player on their team took our NBA players apart (it was either the world cup or the Olympics). Only recently, the NBA players are dominating again in world competition.

Third and most important-the professional athletes are miles better than they were 20 years ago. The Washington Redskins won the super bowl with their vaunted offensive line which included 3 all pros. They averaged 260 pounds. I wonder how they would do against the players today??
In the 1990s, if a pitcher threw 90 miles per hour they were considered a flame thrower. Today pitchers are throwing close to 100 mph
Runners run faster, swimmers swim faster. Golf courses are made longer and harder because today's player are so good. And basketball players are bigger, stronger and shoot much much better. The only reason we are debating this is because it is visually difficult to see the difference in skill. If there were no clocks, people would be arguing that Mark Spitz was a faster swimmer than Michael Phelps.

4th, Barkley's comment that the Golden State Warriors are a small team is totally wrong even if he is a hall of famer. Barkley has made numerous inane statements in the past. The warriors are about the same size. Curry is 6'3", Klay Thompson is 6'7" Bogut is 7 foot. Incidentally, who does Steve Kerry guard?

Lastly and most important KCHOYA. Why do you find it necessary to personally insult people who do not agree with you. If you find it a waste of time, don't post. BTW, have you ever been wrong???

I only insult people that make truly, truly stupid arguments, like you're doing here. Seriously, other than 10-year-old GS fanboys, you're the ONLY one who thinks the Warriors would destroy the Bulls 10 out of 10. The only one.

Didn't we already have this argument about how you [mistakenly] think that today's athletes are so athletically superior? Like a year ago? Riddle me this: who on the Warriors is "miles better" (at least athletically) than anyone on the Bulls?

NBA teams back then played terrible team defense? 1. So not true. 2. We're talking about the Bulls, not a generic NBA team from 95-96. The Bulls played incredible team defense (though I actually think the 91-92 squad was even more dynamic defensively).

I could go on all day, but if you think "Pippen hung around the rim," then it's clear you never actually watched that team.

[sleepyjackson21]

Dec 18, 2015 20:53:10 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

Dec 18, 2015 18:52:15 GMT -5 sleepyjackson21 said:

If the game was played under 1990's rules, Jordan and Pippen would be ALL OVER Curry and Thompson. You stop them by being physical with them, especially Curry. Curry can and will get frustrated. I think the Bulls win going away. Today's rules, different story and more interesting game. That one would be a fun one to watch.

And Steve Kerr guards who?? Green, Barnes?? Hm!!

And who exactly guards Jordan! Or Pippin. Hmmmmm. I have a much easier time thinking that Jordan, Pippin and Harper could defend Curry, Thompson and Barnes than the other way around. Rodman would take Green. You're talking about a team that won 6 championships and could have won 8 in a row if not for Jordan's leave of absence.

[sleepyjackson21]

And who would Curry guard? Don't give me his defensive stats because that's a case of stats being very misleading. Now I admit his defense has gotten better but if he was such a good defender, why do the Warriors have Klay defend all the elite point guards?

[Deleted]

Curry would guard Kerr. I forgot to mention that that off the bench, you have two guards Livingston and Iguadala who are 6'7" and 6'6" respectively. So much for Barkley's claim that they are small. BTW, last year Barkley made a statement about how Golden State could never win an NBA championship because they are a jump shooting team. Pippen and Rodman were excellent defenders TWENTY YEARS AGO. The players today are infinitely better today. They are superior in absolutely any sport you want to look at from Golf to baseball, to football, swimming, track and field, you name it. You have this romantic view that in basketball alone the athletes were as talented 20 years ago as they are today And they aren't.

[sleepyjackson]

You put those same athletes in today's world with today's technology and today's nutrition and there isn't much difference. It's been under 20 years. That's not alot of time. Golf is almost all technology. In baseball, players are smaller now than in the steroid era. Track, yes Bolt has obliterated Carl Lewis's record who obliterated Jesse Owens' record but i guarantee you that if Lewis or Owens were racing in the same type of shoes and on the same type of track with the same type of coaching it would be a heck of alot closer.

[Deleted]

You just made my point. You explained the reason why today's athletes are better. Technology has played a part, but not all. Golfers are hitting further and with more accuracy, but it isn't all technology. Baseball players may be smaller today but today's pitchers are hitting 100 mph. You can even see it in Little League baseball where these kids are pitching faster and what is more amazing, the batters are hitting them.

On another note, I forgot to mention that the GSW have a terrific bench in Livingston, Iguadala, and Barbossa.

[tashoya]

[HoyaRejuveNation85]

There was no need for this to descend into an ad hominem on JerryLH, who threw out a provocative post. He's made a lot of insightful contributions to this board and its predecessors and doesn't deserve the abuse. It's amazing that some great posters feel compelled to treat others so poorly. It's not a one-time deal either. A true disservice to the board and alma mater.

[kchoya]

Dec 18, 2015 7:47:07 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

What has he been smoking. First of all, Barkley describes the GSW as a little team when in fact that are about the same size as the Bulls were. Also, he is talking about the Bulls in an expansion year. The problem is that current players are miles better than players in 1995-1996. Neither Rodman or Pippen were significant offensive players and Luc Longley was slow and not much of a threat to block shots. As a matter of fact, Rodman couldn't shoot unless he was 3 feet from the basket. With the exception of the center, all of the GSW players are excellent 3 point shooters. Only Steve Kerr was an excellent 3 point shooters and he had to be wide open to get it off. Jordan was an OK 3 point shooter (he was a career 39% 3 point shooter).
My opinion that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the GSW today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.

Hi jerrylh. How you doing?

[MCIGuy]

Jun 20, 2016 1:10:33 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Dec 18, 2015 7:47:07 GMT -5 @jerrylh said:

What has he been smoking. First of all, Barkley describes the GSW as a little team when in fact that are about the same size as the Bulls were. Also, he is talking about the Bulls in an expansion year. The problem is that current players are miles better than players in 1995-1996. Neither Rodman or Pippen were significant offensive players and Luc Longley was slow and not much of a threat to block shots. As a matter of fact, Rodman couldn't shoot unless he was 3 feet from the basket. With the exception of the center, all of the GSW players are excellent 3 point shooters. Only Steve Kerr was an excellent 3 point shooters and he had to be wide open to get it off. Jordan was an OK 3 point shooter (he was a career 39% 3 point shooter).
My opinion that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the GSW today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.

Hi jerrylh. How you doing?

[Elvado]

I don't know who would win a series, but Jordan would never have floated that stinkeroo that Curry had in a Game 7.

[aleutianhoya]

Jun 20, 2016 5:27:08 GMT -5 Elvado said:

I don't know who would win a series, but Jordan would never have floated that stinkeroo that Curry had in a Game 7.

Since we're talking about 95-96, let's look at the numbers in that series. The Bulls won the Finals in six games (after being up 3-0). Jordan averaged a healthy 27 points, 4 assists and 5 boards. But in the last three games of the series (two losses and a game 6 win), Jordan averaged 23 points on an average of 7/20 from the field, including 11% from three. He put up pretty good (though not great) "counting" numbers, but on a percentage basis, he simply wasn't all that great.

Curry was a very similar 6/19 from the field last night -- he didn't shoot as many FTs, so he had a handful fewer points -- but his game 7 performance "stinkeroo" wasn't that much different from what Jordan did in the final three games of the 95-96 series. And overall for the series? Curry averaged 23 points, 4 assists, and 5 boards. Four fewer points per game; same numbers otherwise.

Jordan is the greatest player of all-time -- I'm not taking anything away from him -- but I don't think it's fair to Curry to overstate Jordan's level of performance relative to Curry's.

Not for nothing, the greatness of LeBron is his ability to positively affect the game in so many different ways even when he isn't shooting well. The casual basketball fan doesn't always appreciate the "easy" assists and the rebounds, but they're obviously vital.

[Elvado]

Jun 20, 2016 9:18:14 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

Jun 20, 2016 5:27:08 GMT -5 Elvado said:

I don't know who would win a series, but Jordan would never have floated that stinkeroo that Curry had in a Game 7.

Since we're talking about 95-96, let's look at the numbers in that series. The Bulls won the Finals in six games (after being up 3-0). Jordan averaged a healthy 27 points, 4 assists and 5 boards. But in the last three games of the series (two losses and a game 6 win), Jordan averaged 23 points on an average of 7/20 from the field, including 11% from three. He put up pretty good (though not great) "counting" numbers, but on a percentage basis, he simply wasn't all that great.

Curry was a very similar 6/19 from the field last night -- he didn't shoot as many FTs, so he had a handful fewer points -- but his game 7 performance "stinkeroo" wasn't that much different from what Jordan did in the final three games of the 95-96 series. And overall for the series? Curry averaged 23 points, 4 assists, and 5 boards. Four fewer points per game; same numbers otherwise.

Jordan is the greatest player of all-time -- I'm not taking anything away from him -- but I don't think it's fair to Curry to overstate Jordan's level of performance relative to Curry's.

Not for nothing, the greatness of LeBron is his ability to positively affect the game in so many different ways even when he isn't shooting well. The casual basketball fan doesn't always appreciate the "easy" assists and the rebounds, but they're obviously vital.

And yet my eyes tell me that there is no way Jordan tosses in a stinker in Game 7 at home with the title on the line. How many awful turnovers including the behind the back pass to the fans? Other than one very long three to tie the game relatively late, Curry should have stayed home and tweeted with his obnoxious wife.