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Post by kchoya on Dec 18, 2015 4:02:22 GMT -5
Anyone seen it? If I had to choose one word to describe it, I'd say "fun." It captures all that was great about the original movie (Episode IV) and it hits all the right notes. Connects back to the prior movies, sets up the next movie, and mixes new and old characters pretty well. Not sure how anyone could be disappointed.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 18, 2015 10:35:22 GMT -5
Anyone seen it? If I had to choose one word to describe it, I'd say "fun." It captures all that was great about the original movie (Episode IV) and it hits all the right notes. Connects back to the prior movies, sets up the next movie, and mixes new and old characters pretty well. Not sure how anyone could be disappointed. I plan on seeing it tomorrow morning, so therefore I will my thoughts then.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 20, 2015 19:29:46 GMT -5
Anyone seen it? If I had to choose one word to describe it, I'd say "fun." It captures all that was great about the original movie (Episode IV) and it hits all the right notes. Connects back to the prior movies, sets up the next movie, and mixes new and old characters pretty well. Not sure how anyone could be disappointed. Some argue that "The Force Awakens" is a remake of "New Hope"... Do you agree or disagree with this assesment? For me I was expecting a little bit more, but did enjoy seeing the older characters play a major role and the reveal of who the main antagonist is. I give it a 7/10..a solid film which is excellent in the climatic moment.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2015 19:36:32 GMT -5
Spoilers below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To the good: it's fun. It was funnier than I expected and Abrams always has a nice visual eye.
As usual, he hits all the plot point beats. There's a twist that I expected.
To the bad: like every Abrams film, it feels mechanical. Much of the exposition is clumsy. Rey's dominance in the force us unexplained and completely understand foreshadowed.
But the only really weird thing is how lame if a villain kilo ten is. He's not scary, driver is not impressive and Rey has already kicked his as with no training.
Why am I scared?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2015 11:23:57 GMT -5
Anyone seen it? If I had to choose one word to describe it, I'd say "fun." It captures all that was great about the original movie (Episode IV) and it hits all the right notes. Connects back to the prior movies, sets up the next movie, and mixes new and old characters pretty well. Not sure how anyone could be disappointed. Some argue that "The Force Awakens" is a remake of "New Hope"... Do you agree or disagree with this assesment? For me I was expecting a little bit more, but did enjoy seeing the older characters play a major role and the reveal of who the main antagonist is. I give it a 7/10..a solid film which is excellent in the climatic moment. The plot devices have often been re-used throughout all of the star wars movies. I, for one, was happy with all the homages to the original trilogy. I definitely think the movie would have benefited from an extra 20-30 minutes of run time (can't wait for the DVD release). Otherwise, I thought they did a good job of rounding out the new characters while still including the original cast.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2015 11:32:37 GMT -5
Spoilers below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the good: it's fun. It was funnier than I expected and Abrams always has a nice visual eye. As usual, he hits all the plot point beats. There's a twist that I expected. To the bad: like every Abrams film, it feels mechanical. Much of the exposition is clumsy. Rey's dominance in the force us unexplained and completely understand foreshadowed.
But the only really weird thing is how lame if a villain kilo ten is. He's not scary, driver is not impressive and Rey has already kicked his as with no training.
Why am I scared? It definitely is very vague and not spoon fed to the audience, although those flashbacks/memories help show someone who has training in the force but had been memory wiped. Especially with how Kylo Ren knows that she has the power and the longer they let her experiment the stronger she will be. As far a Kylo Ren, he is trying to be like Vader but is too young and hasn't had the defining moment to make him truely evil and powerful on the dark side. Killing Han was supposed to be that moment (in his eyes) but I'm not sure if it will pay off. As far as Rey kick his ass with no training, it was shown early that she is highly proficient with a bow-staff which transitions to the light saber and Kylo was already injured from being shot by the bowcaster (which was shown to annihilate multiple storm troopers at a time) as well as injuring during the battle with a trained storm trooper in Finn. There is definitely room for Kylo Ren to grow as a villain but I think that we were supposed to see him as someone trying to strive to be like Vader but he just isn't powerful/evil/knowledgeable/experienced enough. His power over his men isn't equal respect and fear but pure fear over their childish leader abusing his powers. (Another example is how he needs to focus and causes pain while stealing memories whereas Vader was able to do it nearly effortlessly.) I definitely enjoyed the movie and was happy to see the original humor included but there was definitely room for improvement.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 21, 2015 11:39:11 GMT -5
Some argue that "The Force Awakens" is a remake of "New Hope"... Do you agree or disagree with this assesment? For me I was expecting a little bit more, but did enjoy seeing the older characters play a major role and the reveal of who the main antagonist is. I give it a 7/10..a solid film which is excellent in the climatic moment. The plot devices have often been re-used throughout all of the star wars movies. I, for one, was happy with all the homages to the original trilogy. I definitely think the movie would have benefited from an extra 20-30 minutes of run time (can't wait for the DVD release). Otherwise, I thought they did a good job of rounding out the new characters while still including the original cast. Spoiler Alert Below**** Do not read if you have not seen the movieFans have stated that it took years for Luke Skywalker to learn to use the force and a light saber. Yet Rey was able to use a light saber the first time she tried to in her battle with Kylo Ren and use the force to control a storm trooper without any training. Did any of this this bother you about the film?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2015 11:57:22 GMT -5
The plot devices have often been re-used throughout all of the star wars movies. I, for one, was happy with all the homages to the original trilogy. I definitely think the movie would have benefited from an extra 20-30 minutes of run time (can't wait for the DVD release). Otherwise, I thought they did a good job of rounding out the new characters while still including the original cast. Spoiler Alert Below**** Do not read if you have not seen the movieFans have stated that it took years for Luke Skywalker to learn to use the force and a light saber. Yet Rey was able to use a light saber the first time she tried to in her battle with Kylo Ren and use the force to control a storm trooper without any training. Did any of this this bother you about the film? As far as Rey's fighting abilities, no. She had been shown proficient with weapons earlier in the movie, especially with a weapon that has a very similar style to a light saber. For the force control, that was a bit of a stretch but I think that was more because JJ didn't do a good enough of a job early showing that Rey had lots of force power, just no knowledge. (Personal theory here) I think that Rey is a Skywalker and was being trained (most Jedi start very very young) until Kylo Ren turned on Luke, causing him to wipe her memory, put her on a deserted desert planet (as is Skywalker tradition), and him to go into exile. Therefor she has received training, just did not have the memories. It is slightly fleshed out between her flashbacks and Kylo's reactions to her (when he learns the droid is with a girl, how he is quick to show her his face, how he is worried about letting her experiment with her force skills, etc) but it could have definitely been done better. Also, I hope anyone coming into this thread realizes that it would be full of spoilers, maybe edit the title to include SPOILERS?
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Post by kchoya on Dec 21, 2015 12:25:39 GMT -5
The plot devices have often been re-used throughout all of the star wars movies. I, for one, was happy with all the homages to the original trilogy. I definitely think the movie would have benefited from an extra 20-30 minutes of run time (can't wait for the DVD release). Otherwise, I thought they did a good job of rounding out the new characters while still including the original cast. Spoiler Alert Below**** Do not read if you have not seen the movieFans have stated that it took years for Luke Skywalker to learn to use the force and a light saber. Yet Rey was able to use a light saber the first time she tried to in her battle with Kylo Ren and use the force to control a storm trooper without any training. Did any of this this bother you about the film? It didn't bother me. I got the vibe that Ren wasn't the greatest technician with his own lightsaber, so it wasn't as though she was going against Vader or Darth Maul. Also, Rey didn't come across as some great warrior. She was definitely protrayed as a novice - both with the light saber and the force. Maybe the fact that she was using her dad's (?) light saber means there was some Force-connection that helped her???
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Post by This Just In on Dec 21, 2015 12:25:43 GMT -5
Spoiler Alert Below**** Do not read if you have not seen the movieFans have stated that it took years for Luke Skywalker to learn to use the force and a light saber. Yet Rey was able to use a light saber the first time she tried to in her battle with Kylo Ren and use the force to control a storm trooper without any training. Did any of this this bother you about the film? As far as Rey's fighting abilities, no. She had been shown proficient with weapons earlier in the movie, especially with a weapon that has a very similar style to a light saber. For the force control, that was a bit of a stretch but I think that was more because JJ didn't do a good enough of a job early showing that Rey had lots of force power, just no knowledge. (Personal theory here) I think that Rey is a Skywalker and was being trained (most Jedi start very very young) until Kylo Ren turned on Luke, causing him to wipe her memory, put her on a deserted desert planet (as is Skywalker tradition), and him to go into exile. Therefor she has received training, just did not have the memories. It is slightly fleshed out between her flashbacks and Kylo's reactions to her (when he learns the droid is with a girl, how he is quick to show her his face, how he is worried about letting her experiment with her force skills, etc) but it could have definitely been done better. Also, I hope anyone coming into this thread realizes that it would be full of spoilers, maybe edit the title to include SPOILERS? I have heard theories about Rey possibly being a Skywalker and even Luke's daughter akin to the Star Wars: Legends, books which would make Kylo Ren and Rey first cousins and continue the tradition of the Skywalkers being both Dark and Light in the Force. But if Rey is his daughter, I would think either Han Solo or Leia would have known and seen some type of recognition...who know. Even though poorly explained by J.J. Abrams, Rey has had Jedi training in her younger years. Did you have any issues with Finn being able to use Luke's light saber too?? I don't know if it is cannon or not, but I was under the impression that only a Jedi could use a light saber since it is their tradition.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2015 13:15:37 GMT -5
As far as Rey's fighting abilities, no. She had been shown proficient with weapons earlier in the movie, especially with a weapon that has a very similar style to a light saber. For the force control, that was a bit of a stretch but I think that was more because JJ didn't do a good enough of a job early showing that Rey had lots of force power, just no knowledge. (Personal theory here) I think that Rey is a Skywalker and was being trained (most Jedi start very very young) until Kylo Ren turned on Luke, causing him to wipe her memory, put her on a deserted desert planet (as is Skywalker tradition), and him to go into exile. Therefor she has received training, just did not have the memories. It is slightly fleshed out between her flashbacks and Kylo's reactions to her (when he learns the droid is with a girl, how he is quick to show her his face, how he is worried about letting her experiment with her force skills, etc) but it could have definitely been done better. Also, I hope anyone coming into this thread realizes that it would be full of spoilers, maybe edit the title to include SPOILERS? I have heard theories about Rey possibly being a Skywalker and even Luke's daughter akin to the Star Wars: Legends, books which would make Kylo Ren and Rey first cousins and continue the tradition of the Skywalkers being both Dark and Light in the Force. But if Rey is his daughter, I would think either Han Solo or Leia would have known and seen some type of recognition...who know. Even though poorly explained by J.J. Abrams, Rey has had Jedi training in her younger years. Did you have any issues with Finn being able to use Luke's light saber too?? I don't know if it is cannon or not, but I was under the impression that only a Jedi could use a light saber since it is their tradition. Good points about Han and Leia not recognizing Rey, I'm not sure about how to explain that away. Maybe since it's been years apart? A theory I've heard is that Rey was a secret child with one of Luke's first apprentices at the academy (who was slain when* Kylo Ren went dark) I feel like Finn's use of the lightsaber was explained nicely when he fought the other Stormtrooper. It shows that in this new era, StormTroopers have been trained on how to deal with Jedi and equipped properly (with VibroSwords). Thus in his training Finn has learned how Jedi wield their weapon and does have some training in "sword to sword" combat.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 21, 2015 13:34:05 GMT -5
I have heard theories about Rey possibly being a Skywalker and even Luke's daughter akin to the Star Wars: Legends, books which would make Kylo Ren and Rey first cousins and continue the tradition of the Skywalkers being both Dark and Light in the Force. But if Rey is his daughter, I would think either Han Solo or Leia would have known and seen some type of recognition...who know. Even though poorly explained by J.J. Abrams, Rey has had Jedi training in her younger years. Did you have any issues with Finn being able to use Luke's light saber too?? I don't know if it is cannon or not, but I was under the impression that only a Jedi could use a light saber since it is their tradition. Good points about Han and Leia not recognizing Rey, I'm not sure about how to explain that away. Maybe since it's been years apart? A theory I've heard is that Rey was a secret child with one of Luke's first apprentices at the academy (who was slain when* Kylo Ren went dark) I feel like Finn's use of the lightsaber was explained nicely when he fought the other Stormtrooper. It shows that in this new era, StormTroopers have been trained on how to deal with Jedi and equipped properly (with VibroSwords). Thus in his training Finn has learned how Jedi wield their weapon and does have some training in "sword to sword" combat. I'm not entirely sure that Han and Leia didn't recognize her. Leia greets her emotionally when she sees her (which, I think, doesn't come until the very end, right?). If I'm remembering it right, the scene works in the context of the plot, but also would work in the context of larger recognition. And Han begins acting as a father figure toward her very quickly, which isn't entirely otherwise in character (he also doesn't know anything about her backstory but apparently knows that she shouldn't go back to her home planet). His offer to take her on works in terms of the plot but also would work if he wants to protect her. It would certainly be possible that they, too, want to protect her by not telling her of her parentage and, thus, want to avoid seeming to recognize her. In any event, it seems almost impossible to me that she's not a Skywalker. But we shall see.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 21, 2015 13:42:51 GMT -5
Good points about Han and Leia not recognizing Rey, I'm not sure about how to explain that away. Maybe since it's been years apart? A theory I've heard is that Rey was a secret child with one of Luke's first apprentices at the academy (who was slain when* Kylo Ren went dark) I feel like Finn's use of the lightsaber was explained nicely when he fought the other Stormtrooper. It shows that in this new era, StormTroopers have been trained on how to deal with Jedi and equipped properly (with VibroSwords). Thus in his training Finn has learned how Jedi wield their weapon and does have some training in "sword to sword" combat. I'm not entirely sure that Han and Leia didn't recognize her. Leia greets her emotionally when she sees her (which, I think, doesn't come until the very end, right?). If I'm remembering it right, the scene works in the context of the plot, but also would work in the context of larger recognition. And Han begins acting as a father figure toward her very quickly, which isn't entirely otherwise in character (he also doesn't know anything about her backstory but apparently knows that she shouldn't go back to her home planet). His offer to take her on works in terms of the plot but also would work if he wants to protect her. It would certainly be possible that they, too, want to protect her by not telling her of her parentage and, thus, want to avoid seeming to recognize her. In any event, it seems almost impossible to me that she's not a Skywalker. But we shall see. You are correct that Leia embraces Rey with a hug when they finally meet for the first time after Rey is rescued...but when I first saw the scene, I thought the hug was emotional due to Leia seeing Rey show up with out Han Solo at her side, thus knowing that Solo was killed, which would match the scene of Leia feeling pain when Han Solo is killed.
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Post by thebin on Dec 21, 2015 14:22:29 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday at 10AM. Shockingly, tickets at two different NJ AMC theaters (with reclining lazy boy type seats) were easy to come by all weekend. Bottom line is I enjoyed it immensely but if someone asked me is a truly great film I'd say "almost." I giggled like a 10 year old about every 15 minutes being back in the original trilogy world so my thumb is WAY UP. But I don't think as a film it was as successful as JJ's first Star Trek reboot which nailed the villains much better- something Star Wars should never cede ground to Trek in.
Didn't love: Kylo was OK at first, but taking off the mask and getting weepy really early was a mistake. I think the mask should have been tossed or kept on the whole time. It just became a distraction.
Supreme Leader Snoke didn't work for me. AT ALL. All of the sudden I felt like I was in Middle Earth.
Poe was a character (and Oscar Issacs an actor) I was expecting much more out of than we got. Under-written role I think.
Some of the land battle aspects (like the massacre on Jakku) felt pretty small-scale compared to say the invasion on Hoth in Empire with the walkers. I can't put my finger on it but I felt like I was watching something that was obviously being filmed and there were not enough extras to give the thing scale.
Loved: Rey and Finn are solid stars to support the coming movies. Liked them.
Loved Max Von Sydow's brief appearance in the Alec Guiness gravitas amuse bouche.
Loved Han shouting out to his son Ben. Got dusty in there.
Loved coming back to the holographic video game thingy in the Falcon's lounge area. Just really loved being in the Falcon again period.
Loved all the dog fights- which are tough to pull off in film in a coherent and interesting way. They nailed these. Best part of the movies were X Wings and Tie fighters all over each other.
The Tie Fighter is just boss.
There were several gorgeous enormous landscape shots that were breathtaking. The excavation scene on the star Destroyer was something only Star Wars can give you.
Confused: The Rebels won in Jedi. The Empire was defeated. Somehow 30 years later it looks like that was all for not and we're back to square one. Well that's awfully convenient. If the New Republic still stands- why would they have a "Resistance?" Its just the wrong word but the script writers obviously are stretching to get the good guys in an underdog role and "Resistance" sounded better than the New Republic in an ancien regime role I guess.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 21, 2015 15:29:52 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday at 10AM. Shockingly, tickets at two different NJ AMC theaters (with reclining lazy boy type seats) were easy to come by all weekend. Bottom line is I enjoyed it immensely but if someone asked me is a truly great film I'd say "almost." I giggled like a 10 year old about every 15 minutes being back in the original trilogy world so my thumb is WAY UP. But I don't think as a film it was as successful as JJ's first Star Trek reboot which nailed the villains much better- something Star Wars should never cede ground to Trek in. Didn't love: Kylo was OK at first, but taking off the mask and getting weepy really early was a mistake. I think the mask should have been tossed or kept on the whole time. It just became a distraction. Supreme Leader Snoke didn't work for me. AT ALL. All of the sudden I felt like I was in Middle Earth. Poe was a character (and Oscar Issacs an actor) I was expecting much more out of than we got. Under-written role I think. Some of the land battle aspects (like the massacre on Jakku) felt pretty small-scale compared to say the invasion on Hoth in Empire with the walkers. I can't put my finger on it but I felt like I was watching something that was obviously being filmed and there were not enough extras to give the thing scale. Loved:Rey and Finn are solid stars to support the coming movies. Liked them. Loved Max Von Sydow's brief appearance in the Alec Guiness gravitas amuse bouche. Loved Han shouting out to his son Ben. Got dusty in there. Loved coming back to the holographic video game thingy in the Falcon's lounge area. Just really loved being in the Falcon again period. Loved all the dog fights- which are tough to pull off in film in a coherent and interesting way. They nailed these. Best part of the movies were X Wings and Tie fighters all over each other. The Tie Fighter is just boss. There were several gorgeous enormous landscape shots that were breathtaking. The excavation scene on the star Destroyer was something only Star Wars can give you. Confused: The Rebels won in Jedi. The Empire was defeated. Somehow 30 years later it looks like that was all for not and we're back to square one. Well that's awfully convenient. If the New Republic still stands- why would they have a "Resistance?" Its just the wrong word but the script writers obviously are stretching to get the good guys in an underdog role and "Resistance" sounded better than the New Republic in an ancien regime role I guess. Did you view the "Force Awakens" as Episode IV: New Hope re-imagined/remade?
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Post by ksf42001 on Dec 21, 2015 16:14:22 GMT -5
Confused: The Rebels won in Jedi. The Empire was defeated. Somehow 30 years later it looks like that was all for not and we're back to square one. Well that's awfully convenient. If the New Republic still stands- why would they have a "Resistance?" Its just the wrong word but the script writers obviously are stretching to get the good guys in an underdog role and "Resistance" sounded better than the New Republic in an ancien regime role I guess. My thought was simply that the end of Jedi was a decisive battle, but not a 100% victory for the rebels. The end result was a number of worlds breaking free to become "Republic" worlds, but most still being controlled by Empire remnants, which became the First Order. The Republic can't openly antagonize the First Order without incurring their full wrath, so the plausible deniability of having a separate "Resistance" is probably a smart move. Ignoring any moral attachments to this comparison, the First Order is a more powerful Ukraine, the New Republic is a weaker Russia, and the Resistance are "Pro-Russian Separatists".
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2015 16:37:03 GMT -5
Didn't love: Poe was a character (and Oscar Issacs an actor) I was expecting much more out of than we got. Under-written role I think. Some of the land battle aspects (like the massacre on Jakku) felt pretty small-scale compared to say the invasion on Hoth in Empire with the walkers. I can't put my finger on it but I felt like I was watching something that was obviously being filmed and there were not enough extras to give the thing scale. Agree or empathize with many of you points. I'm hoping that Poe will have a larger role in the later episodes, much how Captain Phasma got the New Hope Boba Fett treatment. I also feel like the massacre on Jakku was supposed to be more like an Uncle Owen's farm type scenario, rather then a Hoth invasion situation. A small strike team trying to recover information and slaughtering all involved. Another random point on Rey's grasp of the force: the title of the movie gives it all away, the force (and her ability) is being awoken in her. Not being learned or trained like in many of the older movies.
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Post by thebin on Dec 21, 2015 20:57:48 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday at 10AM. Shockingly, tickets at two different NJ AMC theaters (with reclining lazy boy type seats) were easy to come by all weekend. Bottom line is I enjoyed it immensely but if someone asked me is a truly great film I'd say "almost." I giggled like a 10 year old about every 15 minutes being back in the original trilogy world so my thumb is WAY UP. But I don't think as a film it was as successful as JJ's first Star Trek reboot which nailed the villains much better- something Star Wars should never cede ground to Trek in. Didn't love: Kylo was OK at first, but taking off the mask and getting weepy really early was a mistake. I think the mask should have been tossed or kept on the whole time. It just became a distraction. Supreme Leader Snoke didn't work for me. AT ALL. All of the sudden I felt like I was in Middle Earth. Poe was a character (and Oscar Issacs an actor) I was expecting much more out of than we got. Under-written role I think. Some of the land battle aspects (like the massacre on Jakku) felt pretty small-scale compared to say the invasion on Hoth in Empire with the walkers. I can't put my finger on it but I felt like I was watching something that was obviously being filmed and there were not enough extras to give the thing scale. Loved:Rey and Finn are solid stars to support the coming movies. Liked them. Loved Max Von Sydow's brief appearance in the Alec Guiness gravitas amuse bouche. Loved Han shouting out to his son Ben. Got dusty in there. Loved coming back to the holographic video game thingy in the Falcon's lounge area. Just really loved being in the Falcon again period. Loved all the dog fights- which are tough to pull off in film in a coherent and interesting way. They nailed these. Best part of the movies were X Wings and Tie fighters all over each other. The Tie Fighter is just boss. There were several gorgeous enormous landscape shots that were breathtaking. The excavation scene on the star Destroyer was something only Star Wars can give you. Confused: The Rebels won in Jedi. The Empire was defeated. Somehow 30 years later it looks like that was all for not and we're back to square one. Well that's awfully convenient. If the New Republic still stands- why would they have a "Resistance?" Its just the wrong word but the script writers obviously are stretching to get the good guys in an underdog role and "Resistance" sounded better than the New Republic in an ancien regime role I guess. Did you view the "Force Awakens" as Episode IV: New Hope re-imagined/remade? No. Not a remake. A Return of the Jedi sequel with somewhat derivative plotting. That i must add made me feel 10 years old again for 2 hours. For $5.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2015 22:25:59 GMT -5
Good points about Han and Leia not recognizing Rey, I'm not sure about how to explain that away. Maybe since it's been years apart? A theory I've heard is that Rey was a secret child with one of Luke's first apprentices at the academy (who was slain when* Kylo Ren went dark) I feel like Finn's use of the lightsaber was explained nicely when he fought the other Stormtrooper. It shows that in this new era, StormTroopers have been trained on how to deal with Jedi and equipped properly (with VibroSwords). Thus in his training Finn has learned how Jedi wield their weapon and does have some training in "sword to sword" combat. I'm not entirely sure that Han and Leia didn't recognize her. Leia greets her emotionally when she sees her (which, I think, doesn't come until the very end, right?). If I'm remembering it right, the scene works in the context of the plot, but also would work in the context of larger recognition. And Han begins acting as a father figure toward her very quickly, which isn't entirely otherwise in character (he also doesn't know anything about her backstory but apparently knows that she shouldn't go back to her home planet). His offer to take her on works in terms of the plot but also would work if he wants to protect her. It would certainly be possible that they, too, want to protect her by not telling her of her parentage and, thus, want to avoid seeming to recognize her. In any event, it seems almost impossible to me that she's not a Skywalker. But we shall see. So I can see the theories that she's a Skywalker. But did I miss anything in the movie -- other than her amazing aptitude that points to that our that she was previously trained? It felt like a cheat. And upon further reflection, kylo ren still sucks.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 21, 2015 23:34:47 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure that Han and Leia didn't recognize her. Leia greets her emotionally when she sees her (which, I think, doesn't come until the very end, right?). If I'm remembering it right, the scene works in the context of the plot, but also would work in the context of larger recognition. And Han begins acting as a father figure toward her very quickly, which isn't entirely otherwise in character (he also doesn't know anything about her backstory but apparently knows that she shouldn't go back to her home planet). His offer to take her on works in terms of the plot but also would work if he wants to protect her. It would certainly be possible that they, too, want to protect her by not telling her of her parentage and, thus, want to avoid seeming to recognize her. In any event, it seems almost impossible to me that she's not a Skywalker. But we shall see. So I can see the theories that she's a Skywalker. But did I miss anything in the movie -- other than her amazing aptitude that points to that our that she was previously trained? It felt like a cheat. And upon further reflection, kylo ren still sucks. Didn't feel like a cheat to me, just something unexplained that we'll learn about in Episode VIII. Not sure what you want from Kylo Ren. Not all villains can be fully formed and all powerful like Vader. I'm interested to see what happens with him in the next movie (and how big/small Smoke really is).
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