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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:13:45 GMT -5
Wow. A week later and now the post position is the problem? People are calling hayes limited? The opinions around here change so rapidly. 10 pts (2/2 FT) and 5 rbs in 19 minutes!!
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:23:11 GMT -5
I really don't understand what you mean either. It's kind of strange to call us Arrogant U. Just saying. In my opinion, that's one of the reasons why we come out flat for these games against "lesser"/cupcakes/whatever-you-want-to-call-it opponents. It looks like we're going through the motions, instead of having the killer mentality from the start. It's like just by showing up, we're going to win. In the two games vs. these teams, we've look disinterested or like we have the brakes on. Compare that to the games vs. Wisconsin, Duke and Maryland. It's very frustrating to watch. Next up: MD-ES.
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Post by GUJook97 on Nov 28, 2015 14:30:11 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's playing against a zone. It slows us down and highlights our struggles. The only time we've ever looked great against a zone is with Otto or when we have had very good 3 point shooters. We were spoiled by that. I think we are going to have to deal with it because many teams will do it.
Still, DSR didn't shoot well and we still won by 30.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:30:51 GMT -5
6 steals by Isaac!! Kudos!
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Post by calhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:32:13 GMT -5
Wow. A week later and now the post position is the problem? People are calling hayes limited? The opinions around here change so rapidly. Been pretty consistent in my view that the post position is a point of weakness for this team at least until Govan develops. Also been consistent in saying that Hayes is a great story and a player who has exceeded expectations, but remains a limited player. Considering where he was a year ago that is not surprising.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:33:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's playing against a zone. It slows us down and highlights our struggles. The only time we've ever looked great against a zone is with Otto or when we have had very good 3 point shooters. We were spoiled by that. I think we are going to have to deal with it because many teams will do it. Still, DSR didn't shoot well and we still won by 30. I think we're going to have a great shooting day vs. Syracuse from 3 (too much firepower with Reggie, DSR, Marcus, Ike, Jessie, Kaleb, Paul and maybe Tre - if the boys keep moving, someone will be open) and with the space in their zone, and the team will be pumped for that one.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:37:36 GMT -5
What type of defense does MD-ES play? If it's zone, great scheduling by JT3 & staff...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 14:43:54 GMT -5
Still, DSR didn't shoot well and we still won by 30. BTW, their leading scorer did not play due to an undisclosed illness (The Tre Bug ). His replacement shot 2 for 12.
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Post by GUJook97 on Nov 28, 2015 15:00:10 GMT -5
Wow. A week later and now the post position is the problem? People are calling hayes limited? The opinions around here change so rapidly. Been pretty consistent in my view that the post position is a point of weakness for this team at least until Govan develops. Also been consistent in saying that Hayes is a great story and a player who has exceeded expectations, but remains a limited player. Considering where he was a year ago that is not surprising. Agree with this. I don't think that is being unfair. The fact is that Hayes is pretty limited and we really need Govan to develop. Watching at the game, it was rare to see us have any inside presence today. Part of that is because of the zone, but still, you'd like to see us outmuscle Bryant big men for some easier buckets.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 28, 2015 15:56:31 GMT -5
Thankfully the first ten minutes were an aberration. Good results today for Peak, Copeland, and Cameron. Got to find a way to get Mourning some more minutes in these games because Hayes is limited in what he can do and Govan is still learning. Derrickson improved in his overall game involvement today and his rebounding in particular. Reason for optimism: Peak is becoming more of a PG, Copeland continues to develop into a potential star, Cameron is a major part of the team on both ends of the court, White is playing, not sitting, and all of the freshmen are coming along nicely. Reason for concern: Hoyas barely outrebound a much smaller team and continue to struggle on the boards, DSR cannot find his shot, Tre is not playing, and the post position remains a work-in-progress. What makes you feel this way about LJ? He played very very well today, I hope he keeps up the aggressive drives all season long because it helps G'town in many ways.. However in terms of "pg" development I don't see any signs of a distributor or facilitator coming out in his game right now..
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 28, 2015 16:37:58 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's playing against a zone. It slows us down and highlights our struggles. The only time we've ever looked great against a zone is with Otto or when we have had very good 3 point shooters. We were spoiled by that. I think we are going to have to deal with it because many teams will do it. Still, DSR didn't shoot well and we still won by 30. I think we're going to have a great shooting day vs. Syracuse from 3 (too much firepower with Reggie, DSR, Marcus, Ike, Jessie, Kaleb, Paul and maybe Tre - if the boys keep moving, someone will be open) and with the space in their zone, and the team will be pumped for that one. 3s are important but I think the elbow jumper is the key. We need Ike, Reggie, Paul, Marcus and maybe LJ flashing to the elbow and collapsing the zone. Making the guards conscious of the weakness at the elbow will open up 3s from DSR and Tre..............
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
I think we're going to have a great shooting day vs. Syracuse from 3 (too much firepower with Reggie, DSR, Marcus, Ike, Jessie, Kaleb, Paul and maybe Tre - if the boys keep moving, someone will be open) and with the space in their zone, and the team will be pumped for that one. 3s are important but I think the elbow jumper is the key. We need Ike, Reggie, Paul, Marcus and maybe LJ flashing to the elbow and collapsing the zone. Making the guards conscious of the weakness at the elbow will open up 3s from DSR and Tre.............. I dream of Jessie and Marcus hitting the mid-range from around the FT line area... opening it up for our very own 54% 3-pt assassin, Reggie Cameron!! (Dan, how about Reggie?!)
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 28, 2015 16:53:33 GMT -5
Missed the game; coming from LA during the game. Looking at the box score, I say, even if we did not defend against the 3 (although their 3 % was low), we did do a great job on the FT defense! DSR will bounce out of his shooting slump some day, but today was not the time. Reggie continues his good work and shooting, and Marcus looked as if he were a beast on the boards. Glad to see Paul back in the lineup. It will take a couple of games for him to get his game legs back. And the Hoyas won by 30, which is always good to see!
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Post by calhoya on Nov 28, 2015 17:25:57 GMT -5
Thankfully the first ten minutes were an aberration. Good results today for Peak, Copeland, and Cameron. Got to find a way to get Mourning some more minutes in these games because Hayes is limited in what he can do and Govan is still learning. Derrickson improved in his overall game involvement today and his rebounding in particular. Reason for optimism: Peak is becoming more of a PG, Copeland continues to develop into a potential star, Cameron is a major part of the team on both ends of the court, White is playing, not sitting, and all of the freshmen are coming along nicely. Reason for concern: Hoyas barely outrebound a much smaller team and continue to struggle on the boards, DSR cannot find his shot, Tre is not playing, and the post position remains a work-in-progress. What makes you feel this way about LJ? He played very very well today, I hope he keeps up the aggressive drives all season long because it helps G'town in many ways.. However in terms of "pg" development I don't see any signs of a distributor or facilitator coming out in his game right now.. I thought that I listed Peak as one of the positive results for the day. I think he is the key to the season in terms of his development as more of a PG. I agree that he still is not focused on assists, but also believe that the first step is for him to be more comfortable and reliable as a ball-handling guard, rather than a small 3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 17:58:27 GMT -5
I thought Peak played really well with the ball in his hands and made very solid decisions overall. The ball never stuck in his hands he scored 20 on 8 shots and didn't force anything. 1 to as well
If the expectation is master facilitator, think that's not realistic but he controlled tempo and passed the ball well enough to have a couple of assists if guys would have knocked down shots..
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Post by bmartin on Nov 28, 2015 18:19:11 GMT -5
Wow. A week later and now the post position is the problem? People are calling hayes limited? The opinions around here change so rapidly. Been pretty consistent in my view that the post position is a point of weakness for this team at least until Govan develops. Also been consistent in saying that Hayes is a great story and a player who has exceeded expectations, but remains a limited player. Considering where he was a year ago that is not surprising. Hayes does not do a very good job of denying passes into the lane. He is there in the right place but offense players just slide in front of him to get the ball without any resistance. He gets away with it some against Bryant and other smallish teams but they still got several too easy baskets in the paint.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 28, 2015 19:48:06 GMT -5
Tre will play Tuesday.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 28, 2015 22:23:19 GMT -5
Good game. Love the play of Peak, Derrickson, and Copeland. Also, good to see Paul dipping his toes in the water again. In all of the games since the opener, I would say that we have been fairly consistent. We are more deep than I can remember in the JTIII era. Once we get our freshmen comfortable, I think we will be a team to reckon with. Great to see that our next contest is on Fox Sports 1, where we should be able to enjoy a clear view of the game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 29, 2015 10:35:56 GMT -5
I thought Peak played really well with the ball in his hands and made very solid decisions overall. The ball never stuck in his hands he scored 20 on 8 shots and didn't force anything. 1 to as well If the expectation is master facilitator, think that's not realistic but he controlled tempo and passed the ball well enough to have a couple of assists if guys would have knocked down shots.. He is probably the best equipped to drive and kick out the ball, which he does more than people are giving him credit for. One thing's for sure is he brings a new element to the Hoya offense that I haven't seen in a long time: a Hoya player who makes his living by attacking the basket. He can do this so well because of his quick first step and very solid handle. I realize that some folks were on his case last season for not finishing at a high rate when he got to the hole, but people should have taken into account his youth and the level of difficulty of his shots. He's improving a lot in this area but nonetheless probably misses more than a person of his physique and athleticism should. Still...I haven't seen a player on Gtown make such glorious looking layups since Iverson. Some of his drives are a thing of beauty. And to be blunt in five games this season he has probably driven more to the basket than other Hoya guards during III's tenure did their entire college careers. The dude gets to the line too. Not too often that a Hoya guard (or Hoya of any position) takes 10 free throw attempts in a game. He is a reliable jumper from being almost unstoppable at this level.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 29, 2015 11:27:31 GMT -5
I thought Peak played really well with the ball in his hands and made very solid decisions overall. The ball never stuck in his hands he scored 20 on 8 shots and didn't force anything. 1 to as well If the expectation is master facilitator, think that's not realistic but he controlled tempo and passed the ball well enough to have a couple of assists if guys would have knocked down shots.. He is probably the best equipped to drive and kick out the ball, which he does more than people are giving him credit for. One thing's for sure is he brings a new element to the Hoya offense that I haven't seen in a long time: a Hoya player who makes his living by attacking the basket. He can do this so well because of his quick first step and very solid handle. I realize that some folks were on his case last season for not finishing at a high rate when he got to the hole, but people should have taken into account his youth and the level of difficulty of his shots. He's improving a lot in this area but nonetheless probably misses more than a person of his physique and athleticism should. Still...I haven't seen a player on Gtown make such glorious looking layups since Iverson. Some of his drives are a thing of beauty. And to be blunt in five games this season he has probably driven more to the basket than other Hoya guards during III's tenure did their entire college careers. The dude gets to the line too. Not too often that a Hoya guard (or Hoya of any position) takes 10 free throw attempts in a game. He is a reliable jumper from being almost unstoppable at this level. He has been finishing very well this year - he's shooting 63% from 2 and of course almost none of those have been jumpers. He won't likely keep that up for two reasons. One, no guard does, and two, some of his shots have been pretty crazy difficult and they've fallen. But he shot 53% from 2 against Duke, Maryland and Wisconsin and I could see that continuing. More importantly, he's starting to get the calls he deserves. And you're right -- if he ever develops a jumper, he'll be ridiculous.
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