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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 19, 2016 21:39:25 GMT -5
This is no longer happening. Good. This kid deserves better than to be the third or fourth option on a team. He'll do well at Georgia. He maybe a second or third option for the 2018 season but I would prefer to have an option then to have a Chris Wright issue at the end of the BE tournament.
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 19, 2016 22:07:36 GMT -5
Good. This kid deserves better than to be the third or fourth option on a team. He'll do well at Georgia. He maybe a second or third option for the 2018 season but I would prefer to have an option then to have a Chris Wright issue at the end of the BE tournament. I think with Jagan already in the fold, this won't be an issue. I think he's better than a lot of people might give him credit for.
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Post by deacon on Oct 21, 2016 8:39:17 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria
2017 PG Jamir Moultrie is down to Georgia, Monmouth and La Salle, his dad tells me. @jmdeuce
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 21, 2016 8:40:58 GMT -5
Chips falling...good problem to have in this instance. Best of luck to him.
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 21, 2016 9:19:36 GMT -5
I question dropping him though. If we are still going after Troy Brown, then why not Moultrie? Just his height? If staff thinks he has Markel Starks in him, wouldn't we want that 10 times out of 10?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 9:32:14 GMT -5
Can't take 2 sub 6ft PG's in the same class imo....
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 21, 2016 10:34:53 GMT -5
Best of luck to Jamir...seems like a good kid and player...would have enjoyed seeing him in a Hoya uniform, but success to him wherever he goes...lets keep in touch...in this crazy basketball world, you never know what the future may hold.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 22, 2016 5:24:43 GMT -5
Good. This kid deserves better than to be the third or fourth option on a team. He'll do well at Georgia. He maybe a second or third option for the 2018 season but I would prefer to have an option then to have a Chris Wright issue at the end of the BE tournament. But the kid can't think about that. He has to do what's best for him. As he should. Besides people on this board would want him now but a year later they could possibly be imagining recruiting over him with other potential recruits all the while claiming he should not take minutes from the two or three players ahead of him on the roster. Because that's what we do on this site.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 22, 2016 7:01:42 GMT -5
That's what fans do on pretty much every site!
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 22, 2016 7:38:14 GMT -5
And because attitudes like that persist within all fanbases recruits should make sure they look out for number one rather than put at ease the minds of fickle fans who could end up viewing them as last year's toys if they don't shine early enough out the gate.
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Post by jld54 on Oct 22, 2016 8:01:06 GMT -5
It would make no sense to sign Moultrie if we are seriously pursuing Boyd and Keldon Johnson for 2018. This would set up a scenario of recruiting over Moutrie, which is unfair to him and not beneficial to the program.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 22, 2016 9:44:07 GMT -5
It would make no sense to sign Moultrie if we are seriously pursuing Boyd and Keldon Johnson for 2018. This would set up a scenario of recruiting over Moutrie, which is unfair to him and not beneficial to the program. Realistically Gtown would only get 1 of Boyd or Johnson anyway so I don't see the conflict there.. Even moreso neither Johnson or Boyd are combo guard types imo, they're more like 2/3's right now.. Shouldn't the fact that Campbell & Mulmore will be gone after next season matter? I get that Moultrie has moved on & I can see why he would.. However I don't see how folks can say that a kid who was touted to get time as a freshman by B&G, who reportedly more than held his own going against the current team during his visit 2 weeks ago would be the kid who gets recruited over automatically..
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Post by jld54 on Oct 22, 2016 9:57:39 GMT -5
If, as it appears is true, Boyd projects as a 2/3, I agree that we will likely not get Boyd and Johnson (if either). Still, it looks like the staff chose Waters or Moultrie but not both, perhaps on the basis of projected available scholarships. Lets not foget that the staff is pushing for Troy Brown still this year, and this would factor in to the situation. And with Jagan projecting as a combo guard, this leaves even less time for Moultrie. The bottom line is that the backcourt will be solid for the future if we get a committment from Johnson, even if Brown stays in the West.
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 22, 2016 10:30:33 GMT -5
And because attitudes like that persist within all fanbases recruits should make sure they look out for number one rather than put at ease the minds of fickle fans who could end up viewing them as last year's toys if they don't shine early enough out the gate. Absolutely. Everybody should be looking out for themselves when it comes to choosing a school.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 22, 2016 11:14:47 GMT -5
To me, this is pretty simple. Waters was the staff's first choice, by a wide margin, for the guard scholarship that could go to a smallish class of 2017 kid. They liked their chances with Waters as of this summer and chose not to pursue Moultrie too hard. In fact, Moultrie was probably the staff's 3rd choice (at best) for the scholarship, after both Waters and David Beatty. Chain of events is that Waters visits Georgetown the first among those three targets (Waters, Beatty, Moultrie). When Waters doesn't commit following his Georgetown visit, and as he continues to show interest in and visit blue bloods like Kentucky, Kansas, and Indiana, the Hoyas' staff was forced to look more seriously at second and third options. They invite Beatty and Moultrie for visits. They tell Waters that he continues to be their first choice, but they have to cover for the program if Tremont decides to go elsewhere. It becomes very clear that the Hoyas are not going to wait around for Tremont, as they have Allen Iverson show Beatty around campus and set up an official visit for Moultrie. Waters, who probably liked Georgetown the most all along, but wanted to check out his other options, decides that he doesn't want to miss out on the Georgetown opportunity. He calls the staff after Beatty visits, tells them he wants to come down for Hoya Madness, and he'll likely be committing to the Hoyas. All of a sudden, seemingly out of nowhere after his visit, Beatty reopens his recruitment. Strong hunch that the staff knew Waters was committing, after Beatty's visit, so they told the kid thanks but no thanks. Additionally, they let Moultrie know that with only one scholarship available for a smallish guard in the class, they're taking Waters' commitment.
As of this week, given that they used Moultrie's interest and potential use of the scholarship to persuade Waters to commit sooner than later, the staff had to stop recruiting Moultrie. So there really is no way Moultrie could be a Hoya right now, though I'm sure the staff handled it well and hopefully stays in touch with the kid in case there's a scholarship available for a transfer at some point down the line. Additionally, with Moultrie going to the same high school as the Mitchell twins, it's a little delicate as they want to make sure they don't use the short-term interest in Moultrie to upset people at that program.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 23, 2016 15:17:25 GMT -5
Nice analysis of the recruiting breakdown. That seems to be pretty much what happened. For those wanting us to take Moultrie as well as Waters....let's not forget that we have 2 years of Mulmore and two years of Tre Campbell. moultrie would likely be 4th on the depth chart at PG. Finally, with the loses of Hayes, Cameron, and Pryor at the end of the year (let alone anyone else who may try to jump)....we need help at the 3 thru 5 slots.
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Post by jld54 on Oct 23, 2016 17:03:48 GMT -5
Agree with the fact that we do not need another smallish guard. Who are the 3-5 candidates? We should know about Walker soon, is Troy Brown an option at the 3? He is listed as a guard on recruiting sites but could he be a point forward type?
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 23, 2016 17:56:58 GMT -5
We really only have 1 year with Mulmore & Campbell while Moultrie would be on the roster but I get what you all are saying. I guess the staff sees him as a good but not special player.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 23, 2016 19:04:49 GMT -5
I think there's an argument to be made that, given our issues last season and the clear need for a creator/facilitator, that if we had two lead guards that we graded as legitimate Big East starting point guards that we should take them both. After all, what if Tremont gets injured, or just isn't the player we expect? I don't think anyone would want us to go back to playing a scoring guard out of position at point like we did last year, especially with all of the chatter about changing our style of play. We can't do that without guards who can make things happen with the ball in their hands. And recall that it was roughly a week or two ago that we were talking up how Jamir held his own scrimmaging with the team, and how he was the next Markel Starks, etc. Why wouldn't we want that guy?
That said, I think it's a tough sell to Moultrie. While it's possible that Tremont doesn't become a high level starter and ~30 minute per game player, the odds seem pretty good that he will. And if that happens, Moultrie is looking at being a backup for his entire career. So if I'm him and I'm choosing between playing behind Waters or getting the keys at a different high major like UGA, I can certainly see why Georgetown is out of the picture.
And realistically, it's probably for the best for us too. We didn't have any quality forwards or big guys in the 2016 class, and so in 2017 it makes more sense to pursue that and round out the roster. While Moultrie should be a pretty nice player, he's somewhat fungible IMHO. There are players at his size and ability in every class. The real answer, I think, is to pursue some forwards and big guys in 2017 and then hunt for another point guard in 2018.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 23, 2016 19:56:58 GMT -5
I think there's an argument to be made that, given our issues last season and the clear need for a creator/facilitator, that if we had two lead guards that we graded as legitimate Big East starting point guards that we should take them both. After all, what if Tremont gets injured, or just isn't the player we expect? I don't think anyone would want us to go back to playing a scoring guard out of position at point like we did last year, especially with all of the chatter about changing our style of play. We can't do that without guards who can make things happen with the ball in their hands. And recall that it was roughly a week or two ago that we were talking up how Jamir held his own scrimmaging with the team, and how he was the next Markel Starks, etc. Why wouldn't we want that guy? That said, I think it's a tough sell to Moultrie. While it's possible that Tremont doesn't become a high level starter and ~30 minute per game player, the odds seem pretty good that he will. And if that happens, Moultrie is looking at being a backup for his entire career. So if I'm him and I'm choosing between playing behind Waters or getting the keys at a different high major like UGA, I can certainly see why Georgetown is out of the picture. And realistically, it's probably for the best for us too. We didn't have any quality forwards or big guys in the 2016 class, and so in 2017 it makes more sense to pursue that and round out the roster. While Moultrie should be a pretty nice player, he's somewhat fungible IMHO. There are players at his size and ability in every class. The real answer, I think, is to pursue some forwards and big guys in 2017 and then hunt for another point guard in 2018. After looking at what we have coming in this year with Mulmore and Mosely teamed up with Campbell, I agree with the both of you RBHoya and MCIGuy. We should look down the road into 2018 for our next PG and make it a priority, we can't afford to have gaps at the point due to injury in my opinion. I think this horse is dead!
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