prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 14, 2015 18:37:43 GMT -5
Always nice to see the petulant children crawl out of the woodwork. And someone said HoyaTalk was dead...
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Post by duncanjns on Nov 14, 2015 19:08:11 GMT -5
You can debate about the fact of not having a "big name" Coach that will come in and take this job but the bottom line is this team is "soft" and plays the way he coaches and that would be PASSIVE. The fact that we are having this conversation game one of the new season is one of the reasons he needs to go. He had better talent on the floor today and again they found a way to lose due to lack of execution and more importanly lack of effort on the defensive end of the floor.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 14, 2015 19:18:45 GMT -5
You can debate about the fact of not having a "big name" Coach that will come in and take this job but the bottom line is this team is "soft" and plays the way he coaches and that would be PASSIVE. The fact that we are having this conversation game one of the new season is one of the reasons he needs to go. He had better talent on the floor today and again they found a way to lose due to lack of execution and more importanly lack of effort on the defensive end of the floor. Wow, the first post a negative one. TROLL. Please just go back to whatever your original Board name was and stop hiding.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 14, 2015 19:36:46 GMT -5
Objectively, if his last name was Thompson, he would undoubtedly be on the hot seat.
The issues with JTIII have not changed over time. He is a truly awful in game coach. Adjustments don't happen, period. It is very rare that we note that the players are playing above their potential. His recruiting has been good---and there have been solid runs---but on the whole, ANY fanbase would be calling for their coach's head after a stretch like JTIII has had since the F4.
I don't believe he will be fired, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't make it blasphemous to state the obvious...
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 14, 2015 19:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by Eurostar on Nov 14, 2015 19:44:40 GMT -5
Objectively, if his last name was Thompson, he would undoubtedly be on the hot seat. The issues with JTIII have not changed over time. He is a truly awful in game coach. Adjustments don't happen, period. It is very rare that we note that the players are playing above their potential. His recruiting has been good---and there have been solid runs---but on the whole, ANY fanbase would be calling for their coach's head after a stretch like JTIII has had since the F4. I don't believe he will be fired, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't make it blasphemous to state the obvious... He did make one excellent in-game decision today: when Radford had the last shot in regulation, he took out both bigs on defense. They were using the high pick and roll to get their guard an open lane to the basket all game, and JT3 didnt give it to them. Led to a bad shot. That being said, I think his substitution patterns and lack of use of timeouts in the 2nd half and OT was poor. Campbell, DSR, Copeland and Peak were essentially in for the whole 2nd half and both overtimes. 42, 42, 39 minutes for DSR, Copeland and Peak respectively. Campbell was cramping. I'm not surprised they were a step slow on defense in the end. Tough to overuse these 4 guys so early in the season especially with so many games in the next few days. And especially with solid subs Johnson and Derrickson available.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 14, 2015 20:28:31 GMT -5
...Georgetown'll be alright.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 21:28:34 GMT -5
Objectively, if his last name was Thompson, he would undoubtedly be on the hot seat. The issues with JTIII have not changed over time. He is a truly awful in game coach. Adjustments don't happen, period. It is very rare that we note that the players are playing above their potential. His recruiting has been good---and there have been solid runs---but on the whole, ANY fanbase would be calling for their coach's head after a stretch like JTIII has had since the F4. I don't believe he will be fired, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't make it blasphemous to state the obvious... We won the BE with hop and lubick as our starting bigs... our recruiting up until 2 years ago was no Bueno
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 14, 2015 21:58:05 GMT -5
Objectively, if his last name was Thompson, he would undoubtedly be on the hot seat. The issues with JTIII have not changed over time. He is a truly awful in game coach. Adjustments don't happen, period. It is very rare that we note that the players are playing above their potential. His recruiting has been good---and there have been solid runs---but on the whole, ANY fanbase would be calling for their coach's head after a stretch like JTIII has had since the F4. I don't believe he will be fired, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't make it blasphemous to state the obvious... We won the BE with hop and lubick as our starting bigs... our recruiting up until 2 years ago was no Bueno In my opinion, this team has more talent than the 2014 and 2015 teams, and likely the 2012 team, as well (harder to argue for 2013, since Otto was so great). I am not saying we will beat Maryland or Wisconsin, but we aren't as bad as what was on the court today.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 14, 2015 22:08:31 GMT -5
Lol. Maryland fans must be reading this thread wondering what is going on. Little do they know the agenda that he who must not be named and his minions have against the thompsons.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 14, 2015 23:27:34 GMT -5
Objectively, if his last name was Thompson, he would undoubtedly be on the hot seat. The issues with JTIII have not changed over time. He is a truly awful in game coach. Adjustments don't happen, period. It is very rare that we note that the players are playing above their potential. His recruiting has been good---and there have been solid runs---but on the whole, ANY fanbase would be calling for their coach's head after a stretch like JTIII has had since the F4. I don't believe he will be fired, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't make it blasphemous to state the obvious... We won the BE with hop and lubick as our starting bigs... our recruiting up until 2 years ago was no Bueno We won the BE with a top 3 NBA draft choice putting the team on his back. And then in the NCAA tournament...well I'd rather not dwell on that... If you go back through my posts, you won't find too many critical of JTIII. But it is getting harder and harder to defend the guy. Who knows---in 2007 we lost to ODU at McD before making a run all the way to the F4. But I am being conditioned to have lower and lower expectations.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Nov 15, 2015 2:37:28 GMT -5
The bottom line is that the people at the Fox Sports Network and those who buy season tickets will eventually decide whether JTIII is on the hot seat and what happens to him. As much as Georgetown would like to retain him for his values and his legacy achievements, one more lackluster season in what is now a mid-major Conference will lead to our not being a national program with the capability to gather the sustaining resources to support a major coach playing major games in a 20,000 seat facility. Essentially, if things don't improve, our Board's hand will be forced, and with the ratings the BE tournament final had last year and with no team from the conference in the elite 8 or the national conversation, that time that we all dread may be sooner than later. I hope JTIII can pull our team together and while one game is one game, it is a time to be concerned for our future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 3:10:35 GMT -5
We won the BE with hop and lubick as our starting bigs... our recruiting up until 2 years ago was no Bueno We won the BE with a top 3 NBA draft choice putting the team on his back. And then in the NCAA tournament...well I'd rather not dwell on that... If you go back through my posts, you won't find too many critical of JTIII. But it is getting harder and harder to defend the guy. Who knows---in 2007 we lost to ODU at McD before making a run all the way to the F4. But I am being conditioned to have lower and lower expectations. There's been a lot of Lotto picks to come through this conference, but how many times in the History of the Old Big East has one exceptional player and a bunch of average to below avg BE players been able to carry his team to a chip? You don't play the game 1 on 5. A frontcourt rotation of Lubick Hopkins and Abraham is horrid if you consider that talent then that's your right. You also got 0 scoring off our vaunted Bench of Bowen, Moses, and Bril 3 got that team to buy in and over perform on D and he modified the offense mid season after Greg got suspended to get Otto as many shots as possible. That's good coaching imo... That team had no business being anywhere near top 10, top of the BE, and certainly not a 2 seed. Our Offensive rating that year was 158th in the Nation... No seriously, 158th. If that team managed to make it to a sweet 16 it would have been one of 3's best performance without a question. It's pretty ironic it's a symbol to many of how bad a coach he is to many.. But it is what it is..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 3:15:06 GMT -5
We won the BE with hop and lubick as our starting bigs... our recruiting up until 2 years ago was no Bueno In my opinion, this team has more talent than the 2014 and 2015 teams, and likely the 2012 team, as well (harder to argue for 2013, since Otto was so great). I am not saying we will beat Maryland or Wisconsin, but we aren't as bad as what was on the court today. I don't think there's any question that this years team has more talent than the 2013 team, but talent means very little if it doesn't turn into production.. 3's teams always start slow so maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Where going to find out really quickly about this teams character, work ethic, heart, and ability to stick to together..
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 15, 2015 7:48:11 GMT -5
How will this discussion change when we are 0-4. A sickeningly real possibility. Yeah and 0-26 is technically a real sickeningly possibilitiy, doesn't mean it's gonna happen
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 15, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -5
Coach isn't going anywhere. He is an institution at Georgetown. Now that we are in the new BE, it is going to be tough to get every recruit you want. It been 3 decades since we won it all.
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Post by theicon on Nov 15, 2015 9:46:31 GMT -5
Team is just soft and disinterested. First game of the year - and the team was just BLAH!! NO EMOTION OR INTENSITY.
I would have benched Copeland and Peak in the first half - NEITHER WAS INTERESTED IN PLAYING DEFENSE...Copeland was horrible.
JT3 doesn't know the word adjustment....Horrible and a straight embarrassment.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 15, 2015 9:52:06 GMT -5
As long as Big John is warm, III's seat won't be...
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Post by kchoya on Nov 15, 2015 9:52:53 GMT -5
Team is just soft and disinterested. First game of the year - and the team was just BLAH!! NO EMOTION OR INTENSITY. I would have benched Copeland and Peak in the first half - NEITHER WAS INTERESTED IN PLAYING DEFENSE...Copeland was horrible. JT3 doesn't know the word adjustment....Horrible and a straight embarrassment. Go away UVa fan.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 15, 2015 10:04:14 GMT -5
I think somebody should figure out how to reinforce the sky, because it seems to fall with unusual ease here.
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