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Post by This Just In on Oct 29, 2015 10:04:50 GMT -5
Violent Arrest of South Carolina Student Raises Questions
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Post by quickplay on Oct 29, 2015 10:33:53 GMT -5
What a violent, dangerous coward.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 29, 2015 10:41:19 GMT -5
Simply ridiculous. Indefensible springs to mind.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 29, 2015 11:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 29, 2015 11:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 17:54:47 GMT -5
Hi Quickplay and Elvado.
Let's put this in perspective. The teenage student started using her cell phone and disrupting class. She was asked to put her cell phone away and she refused. She was asked to leave and she refused. The Principal was called and once again the student refused to put her cell phone away and leave. Finally, the officer was called who once again requested that the student put the cell phone again and leave. She again refused. He approached her and she hit him. Now notice that he didn't hit her, but tried to move the desk with her in it. She has no known injuries (her lawyers stated that she had some bruises) and never needed to go to the emergency room.
Now my question to you guys is. If you were in that situation and if you were the police officer, what would you have done???
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Post by quickplay on Nov 2, 2015 9:52:29 GMT -5
If you watch that video and come away with the response you did, I genuinely don’t think there’s anything productive for us to discuss. There will always be some people who make excuses for any kind of abuse of power.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 2, 2015 10:14:34 GMT -5
This is a good read on the subject: "The U.S. Department of Justice and Department of Education offer a compelling answer in their Guiding Principles for improving school discipline. School resource officers should be “focused on protecting the physical safety of the school [and] preventing the criminal conduct of persons other than students.” Educators, not officers, should handle routine school discipline. When an officer is involved in everyday discipline, from enforcing school rules and teacher directives to responding to adolescent defiance or disobedience, the result is “inappropriate student referrals to law enforcement.” www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/when-should-police-discipline-students/413056/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 10:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 10:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by quickplay on Nov 2, 2015 11:22:00 GMT -5
You know what Jerry, you’re right. This was the first time a young person has ever misbehaved at school, and as there was no precedent for how to deal with something like this in the history of humanity, violently attacking a young girl was the officer’s only option.
I know that a lot of people will question the basic moral core of someone who justifies police in the classrooms attacking young girls, but what other alternative is there? None. His only option was to wrestle her to the ground, manhandle her, throw her down, drag her around – it was life or death. Had she not put her cell phone away, we’d be looking at dozens, if not hundreds, of innocent deaths.
It’s also very smart to remove the racial component from this discussion. Why? Because stripping context makes things easier to digest. I know some will say that’s a cowardly way to frame an already loaded question, but those people don’t know the true level of threat posed by disobedient young girls. Step one is refusing to go to detention – step two is genocide.
If we don’t allow fear and cowardice to guide our actions, we’ll never have freedom. Before you changed my mind, I would have laughed in the face of someone who actually has the gall to defend this incident. But you’ve changed my mind. Cowardice IS freedom. Context is communism. Violence towards children is the only way to teach them how to become the obedient little freedomlovers we need.
I think back to the time I spent teaching at a failed schools in Queens, NY, and how many incidents there were where I could have taken advantage of the “no other options” line of argument and attacked the children who weren’t listening to me. At the time, the idea sounded crazy – what kind of raving lunatic would think that’s a good idea?! But if I knew then what I know now (that the options I actually chose to address these behavior issues are apparently retroactively nonexistent and that having the police attack the misbehaving students was my actual only option), I bet instead of going to college, some of those kids would be in juvenile detention where they belong. Or prison, hopefully.
Thank you for helping me see the light. Yesterday, I would have been embarrassed at the thought of using cheap rhetorical games to try to justify a grown man with a history of violence towards children attacking a young girl for not obeying the teacher, but today I realize I was the one who was wrong.
If you have any daughters, I hope they’re obedient, because it would be a shame for them to have to learn a lesson about respect by getting violently manhandled in a classroom by a thug police officer in front of all their friends. Then you could march down to the school and shake the hand of the 200lb man who tossed your daughter around and say “Thank you officer, I know you had no other option, and she had no permanent injuries – you are a true hero.”
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 2, 2015 11:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Nov 2, 2015 11:35:41 GMT -5
Someone had to be the grown up in that room. The teacher failed, the student failed and the officer failed most miserably of all.
Solution: classroom is cleared; student is kept in classroom until the parent/guardian etc appears. If there is any kind of parenting going on, the kid would have been begging for what the officer did.
But his reaction was and remains ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 12:00:37 GMT -5
Elvado, at least you responded. However, class stops and you have to wait until the parents respond. Meanwhile, no classroom instruction continues. However, you make three assumptions, 1. That the parent or parents can respond, can respond in a timely manner, and that the student will leave if the parent requests.
Since I last posted, there are two more videos of the same event are available (you can google them) including one showing the student punching the officer. Also from a clearer angle, it appears much milder.
Now here is the kicker. Two students were arrested, one of them has now admitted that this was all planned including making the video. Can you believe that. Please look at the other videos. I am amazed at the restraint the officer showed after being punched in the face. Also, hundreds of students walked out of class (both black and white) protesting the officer's suspension. Just as an aside, the officer has a long term girlfriend who is black.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 2, 2015 18:47:35 GMT -5
Violent Arrest of South Carolina Student Raises Questions The question I have is why are students allowed to have smartphones in the classroom? A car?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 2, 2015 19:37:13 GMT -5
The question I have is why are students allowed to have smartphones in the classroom? This. For my kid, parents had to sign an agreement which allowed the phone to be confiscated for increasing amounts of time depending upon how many times the child violated the school's phone policy. Phones had to be off, not silenced, in class. The school strongly encouraged the kids to leave them in their lockers rather than bring them to class.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 7:47:46 GMT -5
I agree that banning cell phones in the class room is a great idea. Of course, enforcing that might be problematic. I am not sure that allowing silenced cell phones is such a good idea either as the kids can use them to play games, text, etc.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2015 8:22:42 GMT -5
Some schools are now using iPads as part of instruction. The problem is larger than the device but, yes, controlling device use in the classroom is definitely an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 18:49:30 GMT -5
Hi Quickplay and Elvado. Let's put this in perspective. The teenage student started using her cell phone and disrupting class. She was asked to put her cell phone away and she refused. She was asked to leave and she refused. The Principal was called and once again the student refused to put her cell phone away and leave. Finally, the officer was called who once again requested that the student put the cell phone again and leave. She again refused. He approached her and she hit him. Now notice that he didn't hit her, but tried to move the desk with her in it. She has no known injuries (her lawyers stated that she had some bruises) and never needed to go to the emergency room. Now my question to you guys is. If you were in that situation and if you were the police officer, what would you have done??? Despite the fact your description of the events was not exactly accurate imo instead of going full WWF on a teenage girl I would try the school counselor.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 5, 2015 19:35:25 GMT -5
I would have cleared the room of all other students and locked the child in until her parents came to claim her
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