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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 30, 2020 20:08:57 GMT -5
4. I think Georgetown sold itself as to the "world-class" designation of the Thompson Center when, in fact, it got Georgetown from the stone age to the point where everyone else already is. There are facilities that are certainly more expansive in the SEC and Big 10. To be clear, I'm using "world-class" only with respect to the "world" of college lacrosse. During the Coach's Corner session the other day, Dave Nolan said he believed our soccer locker rooms in the TAC were the best in the country. I expect something similar holds true for lacrosse in a way that it does not for the revenue sports of football and basketball. 5. It also didn't help that Georgetown still suffers from, as Hall of Famer Frank Leahy called it while as an assistant coach at GU in 1931, "an institutional coolness toward football", and to this day I don't get it. Maybe it's because I'm not from the East, but a consistently good football team doesn't turn Georgetown into Auburn or that somehow a group of Georgetown "hostesses" (explanatory link here) will descend upon recruits. If Georgetown went ahead with the cash in hand to build the MSF in 2003, this is built by 2005 and paid off by the end of the decade...the last one. You're right about the institutional coolness, but I think it's less about where you are not from - the East - and more about where you are, at least now (I have no idea if you're from the Metroplex originally or not?). You know as well as anyone the various arguments that led to almost all of the major Catholic schools cancelling their programs in the middle of the last century. Those arguments, updated for the modern era and now largely secular, remain operative in the contemporary discourse of academia. We've talked about this topic endlessly over the years at this point, but the short-form version is that, as far as the median academic is concerned, the only ways for an institution to not sell its soul when it comes to college football is to either A) Keep it small-fry (the Ivy/Georgetown model) or B) Have so much money at your disposal that you can both spend lavishly on supporting the players and also credibly argue that the whole enterprise is something other than a money-making scheme posing as amateur athletics (the Stanford/Northwestern/Duke model). A great basketball team brings honor and respect to the University. A great soccer team brings honor and respect to the University. A great lacrosse team brings honor and respect to the University. A great football team even at the I-AA level is no less aspirant to represent the University well, and GU continues to treat it otherwise. The ivory tower perspective on such things really does depend on the extent to which the program is perceived as exploitative. Football is seen as by far the most exploitative, due to both the amount of money involved and the danger to the players. Basketball largely lacks the danger component, but has an even stronger racial dimension to it than football (that component is, obviously, not a one-dimensional one, as John Thompson's deflated basketball speaks to... but there aren't a hell of a lot of John Thompsons out there). Soccer, with its global professional structure and the ability to go pro while still in high school, does not have the same whiff of exploitation. Neither does lacrosse, for different reasons. The perception is Georgetown views football the way it treated men's basketball in the 1960's--they always hoped it would be good, but had no good idea how to do so. So instead of playing Villanova and Richmond, or taking one for the team with a game at Army or Navy (as every other Patriot school does), Georgetown schedules low...Marist and Catholic are not our peers. The use of the word "good" here is glossing over a major discrepancy in what the hopes were for the respective programs, I think. The hopes for Georgetown Football are for it to fill the same role on the Hilltop that it does at the Ivies. That's... really about it. The problem is that when you try to run the Ivy model with nowhere near Ivy money, what you get is in some ways closer to Marist than Colgate. This ongoing conversation talking past each other is truly the board's gift that keeps on giving. Well then, why not join the conversation? -Admin
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 10, 2020 11:56:05 GMT -5
This ongoing conversation talking past each other is truly the board's gift that keeps on giving. Well then, why not join the conversation? -AdminLol to be fair, I'm fully aware that I'm not going to convert DFW over to my vantage point. At this point, my purpose in engaging is more for whatever other audience is lurking on this site, trying to understand what the heck is the deal with Georgetown football.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 13, 2020 21:33:08 GMT -5
This ongoing conversation talking past each other is truly the board's gift that keeps on giving. Well then, why not join the conversation? -AdminLol to be fair, I'm fully aware that I'm not going to convert DFW over to my vantage point. At this point, my purpose in engaging is more for whatever other audience is lurking on this site, trying to understand what the heck is the deal with Georgetown football. Oh I think it's abundantly clear where you each stand and that neither one is budging. I think you are residing *far* closer to reality than DFW, so I appreciate your bringing things back to Earth.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 14, 2020 9:08:48 GMT -5
There's been little or no "alternate reality" discussing the Cooper Field project. It was a project that lacked sponsorship, suffered in priority, and limped to the finish line as half of what was promised to donors.
If someone wants to join a real dialogue about the relative efficacy of playing Ivy League football when the Ivies don't want you, that's for another thread.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 18, 2020 0:31:23 GMT -5
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 1, 2021 20:03:32 GMT -5
Should be lovely for a picnic, but they just covered the lawn with plastic last week, possibly to give the lawn some help taking root while nobody’s using it.
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Post by metaphor on Apr 21, 2021 21:11:50 GMT -5
Assume this will finally open for fans in the Fall?
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 28, 2021 13:33:29 GMT -5
Assume this will finally open for fans in the Fall? I think that’s the plan, though I don’t know about cap limits. I hear they’ll be resurfacing the field, and extending it to the eastern fence line. (This summer?)
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 9, 2021 21:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Mar 2, 2022 10:31:47 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 6, 2022 10:34:12 GMT -5
Bro, we can't even tweet the score at the end of the basketball season finale right. You think we got someone willing and able to fix up Wikipedia pages over there?
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Post by thebin on Mar 7, 2022 13:57:26 GMT -5
You know when the stadium is completed a scant 25 years after it was first mentioned as a Work in Progress, maybe get on with the task of getting rid of the middle school bleachers/construction site pic on Wikipedia (which contradicts the text) within a year or so of being able to.... Its the 5th biggest website in the world and probably the only one in the top 50 where people research stuff like universities, college sports history, and university campuses/sports facilities.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 13, 2022 10:17:14 GMT -5
Fair, but Wikipedia actually has a culture of volunteer editors and has a strong custom (possibly rule) against editing your own page. (See, politicians who constantly get caught having their staff try to change their entries).
Anyone else on here with a Creative Commons-licensed photo is welcome to put it up or suggest it to the Wikipedia page editor.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 13, 2022 10:55:49 GMT -5
Fair, but Wikipedia actually has a culture of volunteer editors and has a strong custom (possibly rule) against editing your own page. (See, politicians who constantly get caught having their staff try to change their entries). Anyone else on here with a Creative Commons-licensed photo is welcome to put it up or suggest it to the Wikipedia page editor. Eh, public figures and contentious topics are one thing, something this anodyne would not incur anyone's wrath. You can even edit anonymously. More relevantly, the University has the power to authorize use of some of the more professional photos by Raf Suanes or Phil Humnicky to which it has the rights.
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Post by thebin on Sept 29, 2022 15:56:39 GMT -5
First sentence of the Cooper Field wiki entry as of September 29, 2022….
“The field has been awaiting further construction since 2005, when work was halted on completing permanent bleachers and other facilities. As a result, it remains the smallest stadium in all of NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision or Football Championship subdivisions.[4]”
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 8, 2022 10:42:35 GMT -5
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the PL:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 8, 2022 15:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by BSM on Dec 4, 2022 14:29:39 GMT -5
I went up to the campus yesterday after the South Carolina game and saw the Field was dug up. Anyone know if it is just normal winter work on the turf or are they doing something more substantial?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 5, 2022 11:30:39 GMT -5
I went up to the campus yesterday after the South Carolina game and saw the Field was dug up. Anyone know if it is just normal winter work on the turf or are they doing something more substantial? It's where they're planning on burying the basketball program.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2022 19:50:37 GMT -5
I went up to the campus yesterday after the South Carolina game and saw the Field was dug up. Anyone know if it is just normal winter work on the turf or are they doing something more substantial? Turf replacement. A normal turf is good for 10-12 years but since Georgetown uses it 18 hours a day, it needs to be replaced sooner, about every eight years or so.
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