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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 6:38:52 GMT -5
My heart goes out to this poor victim of America's systemic racism.
Why can't he rig up a homemade clock and stuff it inside a briefcase and bring it ticking into school without consequence?
I am sure he could have walked unfettered into the White House or Facebook headquarters with a ticking briefcase.
I am a parent who sends two children to school every day. What the hell were this kid's parents thinking sending a ticking briefcase into a school building?
Unless of course, this was exactly what they wanted. A chance to create a false narrative of racism and intolerance that the Left can use to again fan the flames of racial discord? Nah, couldn't be...
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 20, 2015 6:48:21 GMT -5
My heart goes out to this poor victim of America's systemic racism. Why can't he rig up a homemade clock and stuff it inside a briefcase and bring it ticking into school without consequence? I am sure he could have walked unfettered into the White House or Facebook headquarters with a ticking briefcase. I am a parent who sends two children to school every day. What the hell were this kid's parents thinking sending a ticking briefcase into a school building? Unless of course, this was exactly what they wanted. A chance to create a false narrative of racism and intolerance that the Left can use to again fan the flames of racial discord? Nah, couldn't be... The so called Left doesn't need to do anything to fan the flames of racial discord; unfortunately the comments and actions of certain individuals more than suffice.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 6:51:04 GMT -5
My heart goes out to this poor victim of America's systemic racism. Why can't he rig up a homemade clock and stuff it inside a briefcase and bring it ticking into school without consequence? I am sure he could have walked unfettered into the White House or Facebook headquarters with a ticking briefcase. I am a parent who sends two children to school every day. What the hell were this kid's parents thinking sending a ticking briefcase into a school building? Unless of course, this was exactly what they wanted. A chance to create a false narrative of racism and intolerance that the Left can use to again fan the flames of racial discord? Nah, couldn't be... The so called Left doesn't need to do anything to fan the flames of racial discord; unfortunately the comments and actions of certain individuals more than suffice. Amen my brother. First suspect can be found at 1600 Pennsylvania through January 2017...
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 20, 2015 8:22:34 GMT -5
Let's set aside the motivations of this student's parents, since we all have to agree that we have no idea what they were.
Like many things, the issue is one of degrees. I have no problem whatsoever with a teacher notifying the appropriate authorities of something that raised her suspicions, particularly here where this is a new student with whom she has no experience from which to glean context. And, obviously, I have no problem with the authorities investigating a potential threat. Because of all that, I have no problem being critical of the common-sense of the parents (and the young man) in bringing this item to school.
But slapping cuffs on him (in school!) and leading him off to jail is way beyond the pale. It just is. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the authorities were at least in part influenced by Islamic xenophobia in making that decision. And, on the other side of the spectrum, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that the authorities would have done the exact same (wrong) thing if it were a white kid that brought it to school. Bringing up the possibility of institutionalized and subconscious racism is entirely appropriate in a circumstance like this. That doesn't mean racism was at play, but it doesn't mean it wasn't either. There's no way to know. And so you raise awareness of an issue and move forward.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 8:33:00 GMT -5
All good points.
Now tell me why the President was so quick to jump in.
Selective outrage?
Not Mr. Obama...
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2015 8:50:32 GMT -5
My heart goes out to this poor victim of America's systemic racism. Why can't he rig up a homemade clock and stuff it inside a briefcase and bring it ticking into school without consequence? I am sure he could have walked unfettered into the White House or Facebook headquarters with a ticking briefcase. I am a parent who sends two children to school every day. What the hell were this kid's parents thinking sending a ticking briefcase into a school building? Unless of course, this was exactly what they wanted. A chance to create a false narrative of racism and intolerance that the Left can use to again fan the flames of racial discord? Nah, couldn't be... Homemade clock? You mean an old clock from Radio Shack that he disassembled and put back together so that it looked homemade?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2015 8:52:23 GMT -5
All good points. Now tell me why the President was so quick to jump in. Selective outrage? Not Mr. Obama... What are you talking about? He invites victims of terrible tragedies to the White House all the time. Don't you remember when he tweeted an invitation to Kate Steinle's parents?
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Post by prhoya on Sept 20, 2015 8:58:14 GMT -5
Elvado, is Obama a Muslim?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 9:28:40 GMT -5
I do not believe so. But that is immaterial to this discussion. Nice try though.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 20, 2015 9:33:45 GMT -5
All good points. Now tell me why the President was so quick to jump in. Selective outrage? Not Mr. Obama... As I said, it's not inappropriate in my view to identify this situation as one in which institutionalized racism may have played a part. I think it's fair to criticize the President for not saying something a bit more balanced like "we don't know the motivations of the individuals that made this decision, but we can all agree that it provides an opportunity for further reflection." Would that be objectionable? I don't think so. Of course the President is going to highlight things that reflect on his social priorities (and eliminating race-based discrimination, and trying to highlight science education, are two of them) and ignore others that don't. It's OK to criticize those choices, but making choices of this sort is a political reality no matter who is President. So while I agree that the specific message may have been not as nuanced as it should have been, I have no issue whatsoever with an invitation for this boy to visit the White House. Of course it's selective outrage. But it's the sort of thing that I select not to outrage me.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 9:35:54 GMT -5
All good points. Now tell me why the President was so quick to jump in. Selective outrage? Not Mr. Obama... As I said, it's not inappropriate in my view to identify this situation as one in which institutionalized racism may have played a part. I think it's fair to criticize the President for not saying something a bit more balanced like "we don't know the motivations of the individuals that made this decision, but we can all agree that it provides an opportunity for further reflection." Would that be objectionable? I don't think so. Of course the President is going to highlight things that reflect on his social priorities (and eliminating race-based discrimination, and trying to highlight science education, are two of them) and ignore others that don't. It's OK to criticize those choices, but making choices of this sort is a political reality no matter who is President. So while I agree that the specific message may have been not as nuanced as it should have been, I have no issue whatsoever with an invitation for this boy to visit the White House. Of course it's selective outrage. But it's the sort of thing that I select not to outrage me. I wonder if they will check his briefcase.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 20, 2015 16:32:10 GMT -5
Elvado, if in fact you truly believe President Obama fans the flames of racial discord, I would suggest to you then that he would only be sustaining a centuries old American Presidential tradition.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 16:41:40 GMT -5
That is more cynical than anything I, an avowed cynic, have ever posted.
You may not like this, but Mr. Obama's default maneuver, his go to move if you will, is to insert himself in a divisive manner into all kinds of situations before he has the necessary facts.
Remarkably, he has gone awol on the families of American citizens murdeesd by recidivist illegal immigrants but always has time to dive in when some "victim" who suits his game plan needs his help.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 20, 2015 17:07:22 GMT -5
That is more cynical than anything I, an avowed cynic, have ever posted. You may not like this, but Mr. Obama's default maneuver, his go to move if you will, is to insert himself in a divisive manner into all kinds of situations before he has the necessary facts. Remarkably, he has gone awol on the families of American citizens murdeesd by recidivist illegal immigrants but always has time to dive in when some "victim" who suits his game plan needs his help. That may be cynical, bro. The sad reality, though, is that it's the unvarnished TRUTH. Obama may have weighed in on things -- or not -- in ways that you find distasteful, but think about this: he's the FIRST President of color. Without citing specifics, how do you think people of color of have felt about certain comments, actions and non-actions of two plus centuries of white presidents, few of whom have led in ways that even remotely suggested their concern for true equality and fairness for black slaves and their descendants in the land of the free and the home of the brave? And I won't even bring up Native Americans. But while I'm at it, do YOU have my forty acres and mule?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 17:11:46 GMT -5
And the aggrieved victim division weighs in.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 20, 2015 17:15:40 GMT -5
Obama may have weighed in on things -- or not -- in ways that you find distasteful, but think about this: he's the FIRST President of color. This was once discussed on the McLaughlin Group, to which the Jesuit moderator declared it was Warren G. Harding. www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.html
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 20, 2015 17:27:46 GMT -5
Obama may have weighed in on things -- or not -- in ways that you find distasteful, but think about this: he's the FIRST President of color. This was once discussed on the McLaughlin Group, to which the Jesuit moderator declared it was Warren G. Harding. www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.htmlI'm aware of that allegation. If Harding had black blood, he certainly made every effort to hide that fact. Hmmmmm. I wonder why?
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 20, 2015 17:33:26 GMT -5
And the aggrieved victim division weighs in. Try as you might to avoid it, eventually you have to face the TRUTH, son.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 20, 2015 17:37:21 GMT -5
Obama may have weighed in on things -- or not -- in ways that you find distasteful, but think about this: he's the FIRST President of color. This was once discussed on the McLaughlin Group, to which the Jesuit moderator declared it was Warren G. Harding. www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.htmlCiting something from 2008 would make it just slightly out of date. Recent DNA testing showed otherwise: mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/us/politics/dna-that-confirmed-one-warren-harding-rumor-refutes-another.htmlIt turns out that he wasn’t, really. At least that is the result of new DNA testing that according to scientists showed for the first time that Harding almost certainly had no recent ancestors with African blood, despite assertions that were spread far and wide a century ago in efforts to sabotage everything from his marriage to his political career.
The bolded statement above confirms AGH's point in an earlier post. Suggesting that President Obama is somehow fanning the flames of racism and prejudice while ignoring the very real, pervasive and persistent actual racism is indeed cynical, if not far worse.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 20, 2015 18:21:03 GMT -5
Citing something from 2008 would make it just slightly out of date. That's about when it was first mentioned on that show, but no one accuses McLaughlin of being contemporary.
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