U.S. Congressman unaware of constitutional basics

[kchoya]

Rep. Jared Polis Thinks Colleges Should Be Able to Expel Students When They're Only 20% Sure a Rape Happened

It seems like we ought to provide more of a legal framework, then, that allows a reasonable likelihood standard or a preponderance of evidence standard. If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people. We’re not talking about depriving them of life or liberty, we’re talking about them being transferred to another university, for crying out loud.

[nathanhm]

Yeah that guy is an idiot

[AustinHoya03]

Sept 10, 2015 15:12:39 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Rep. Jared Polis Thinks Colleges Should Be Able to Expel Students When They're Only 20% Sure a Rape Happened

It seems like we ought to provide more of a legal framework, then, that allows a reasonable likelihood standard or a preponderance of evidence standard. If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people. We’re not talking about depriving them of life or liberty, we’re talking about them being transferred to another university, for crying out loud.

What's really sad is that these comments drew applause.

[thebin]

Disgusting.

[SSHoya]

Princeton must be proud -- Class of '96.

[kchoya]

I wonder if any presidential candidates have any thoughts on campus disciplinary proceedings?

Clinton Pushes Crackdown on 'Epidemic' of Campus Sexual Assault

The plan includes a comprehensive support network for sexual assault survivors and an increased focus on disciplinary proceedings for both accusers and the accused.

A crackdown on 'epidemic' of campus sexual assault + an increased focus on disciplinary proceedings = not hard to read between the lines.

[quickplay]

Multiple female friends of mine at Georgetown dealt with sexual assault. It is an epidemic. Maybe don't denigrate rape victims so you can take a cheap potshot at Hillary?

[SaxaCD]

Sept 14, 2015 16:13:48 GMT -5 kchoya said:

I wonder if any presidential candidates have any thoughts on campus disciplinary proceedings?

Clinton Pushes Crackdown on 'Epidemic' of Campus Sexual Assault

The plan includes a comprehensive support network for sexual assault survivors and an increased focus on disciplinary proceedings for both accusers and the accused.

A crackdown on 'epidemic' of campus sexual assault + an increased focus on disciplinary proceedings = not hard to read between the lines.

There's an epidemic of due process abuse by universities as well. Does she have a plan for that?

[kchoya]

Sept 14, 2015 16:29:21 GMT -5 quickplay said:

Multiple female friends of mine at Georgetown dealt with sexual assault. It is an epidemic. Maybe don't denigrate rape victims so you can take a cheap potshot at Hillary?

Please show me where I denigrate rape victims. While I'm waiting, I'll read the Rolling Stone article on the UVa rape.

[SFHoya99]

Even though I rapidly become more of a hippy liberal with every passing day (or maybe the conservative options keep getting worse?), i have to say that I'm pretty disturbed by the lack of due process in these cases. Weirdly, Emily Yoffe, the advice columnist at Slate, has written some of the best and most sensitive writings from this point of view (here's a recent update: Campus Rape Decision Reversed)

But while I'm fully on the side of due process, I have yet to see any solutions to the basic problem of trying to prosecute rape:

Much of sexual assault or rape occurs in situations where there are no eyewitnesses or objective evidence as to what occurred in terms of consent. I'm not even talking about really difficult situations like two drunk people; I'm talking about the ability to prosecute a situation where someone clearly rapes another person but it was not in public and from all third parties there could be a reasonable belief that that it was consensual. In other words, date rape or marital rape or even just rape between friends.

It's incredibly difficult to prove under the current standards. It's more pervasive than most people want to admit. It's an awful crime with incredible long term implications.

I'm not in favor of actions that convict people and greatly harm their lives under a different standard than the criminal justice system currently has ... but people also need to acknowledge that between the social stigma put against rape victims, police and other authorities often treating them like criminals not victims, and the inherent difficulty of gathering compelling evidence in a date rape situation ... solutions and improvements would be nice.

Instead we get a whole lot of talk about "legitimate rape" and worse.

Punishing anyone accused of rape isn't the answer, but maybe there's a few steps we could do in between, huh?

As for Rep Solis, we can put him wherever we put Huckabee for thinking the Dred Scott decision is still the law of the land.

[quickplay]

Sept 15, 2015 16:30:05 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Sept 14, 2015 16:29:21 GMT -5 quickplay said:

Multiple female friends of mine at Georgetown dealt with sexual assault. It is an epidemic. Maybe don't denigrate rape victims so you can take a cheap potshot at Hillary?

Please show me where I denigrate rape victims. While I'm waiting, I'll read the Rolling Stone article on the UVa rape.

"A crackdown on 'epidemic' of campus sexual assault"

I'm sure you'll have some lame excuse about how quoting epidemic isn't casting doubt on the claims of sexual assault on campus. Also, great job with the UVa Rolling Stone story, which obviously is representative of the REAL issue, fake claims of rape.

[kchoya]

Sept 16, 2015 16:54:58 GMT -5 quickplay said:

Sept 15, 2015 16:30:05 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Please show me where I denigrate rape victims. While I'm waiting, I'll read the Rolling Stone article on the UVa rape.

"A crackdown on 'epidemic' of campus sexual assault"

I'm sure you'll have some lame excuse about how quoting epidemic isn't casting doubt on the claims of sexual assault on campus. Also, great job with the UVa Rolling Stone story, which obviously is representative of the REAL issue, fake claims of rape.

Man, you must not have made it past the seventh grade in your education. I'll type slower so maybe you can understand. Pointing out that there is not an "epidemic" (yes, the quotes are purposeful), does not mean that sexual assaults do not occur on college campuses. However, as with many issues, the true problem has been blown out of proportion and transmogrified to the point where addressing the real problem is nigh impossible.

[quickplay]

Ohhh, it's not that you're denigrating rape victims, it's that it's that the problem of sexual assault on college campuses has been blown out of proportion and now we can't address the real problems!

Good thing that's not the textbook definition of being a rape apologist (I know I know, that's a stupid hippie liberal term that doesn't mean anything).

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rape_apology

[kchoya]

Sept 16, 2015 17:06:52 GMT -5 quickplay said:

Ohhh, it's not that you're denigrating rape victims, it's that it's that the problem of sexual assault on college campuses has been blown out of proportion and now we can't address the real problems!

Good thing that's not the textbook definition of being a rape apologist (I know I know, that's a stupid hippie liberal term that doesn't mean anything).

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rape_apology

Oh no. You win. You cited to a wiki.

BTW, that was a fun read. Such gems, like: "Predictably, there is an overlap between rape apologists and those who oppose reproductive rights for women, and/or those who feel that marriage equals ownership."

[quickplay]

Substantive counterpoint.