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Post by TC on Oct 8, 2015 10:14:36 GMT -5
I couldn't tell from the interview if he doesn't understand the difference between the debt and the budget deficit or if he was just so concentrated on staying on the "I'll cut the budget" message that he throws all subtlety out the window and assumes everyone else is stupid and doesn't understand the difference. I think this pegs the problem with the outsiders in the Republican race - neither Carson nor Trump have any meaningful policy. I'd put a lot of money on Rubio at this point.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 8, 2015 10:19:48 GMT -5
I'm really hoping it's one of the top three! Somehow I doubt that happens, though. I'll give Republicans more credit than that.
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Post by TC on Oct 8, 2015 10:25:21 GMT -5
I hear you loud and clear. Just know there are a lot of people who felt that way about an absentee Senator in 2008... Blah blah blah blah blah Obama bad blah blah blah. Does anything that comes out of your keyboard ever try to approach these issues sincerely? You can argue that Obama was hypocritical about the debt ceiling - he voted against it in 2006. Rand Paul and Rubio have done the same thing, and whatever they're saying, it'll be a political necessity if they're elected for them to raise the ceiling. But making the insinuation that he didn't understand the difference between the budget and the debt ceiling? He voted on the debt ceiling twice (2006, 2008 TARP) as a Senator. "Establishment candidates" (read: anyone with national political experience) can actually answer these questions.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 8, 2015 10:39:30 GMT -5
Then should one of them win the transition will be seamless... Even though I am completely opposed to their positions, should Bush, Rubio, Paul, whoever, win the nomination, they're at least actual people. There is nothing serious about Trump, Carson, or Fiorina. They are an absolute embarrassment to the country as candidates in a way that goes beyond ideological differences. They're clowns. Why do you lump Fiorina in to that group? Unlike the first two, she has clearly done her homework. Carson and Trump are just making things up as they go along and doing so in an embarrassing fashion. Is it just the lack of prior political office? I like having qualified outsider candidates for President and I think all three could argue they are qualified based on their experiences, but Carson and Trump clearly don't care enough to actually put in all of the work necessary to learn the policy side of things. It'd be nice if Larry Lessig, the law professor that is running for President on the D side was actually allowed to participate. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/lessig-lawrence-democrats-debate-2016-213215
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Post by TC on Oct 8, 2015 11:05:12 GMT -5
Why? He's a one-issue candidate who has absolutely no viable strategy to get his one issue resolved or passed into law. He should be running as a Republican, at least then there would be some perceived viability for getting his issue passed (the motivation being you pass the campaign finance reform law, he resigns and you get a Republican President). I don't agree with Fiorina, but you're right - she does know what the debt ceiling is. She has 0 consistency on her positions on increasing it (was for it as a national spokesperson/mouthpiece, is against it now as a candidate), but neither did Obama and Rubio/Paul wouldn't be able to maintain their positions once elected.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 8, 2015 21:05:12 GMT -5
Despite the antics of this crop of presidential candidates, I miss Michele Bachmann!
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Post by prhoya on Oct 8, 2015 21:24:21 GMT -5
Despite the antics of this crop of presidential candidates, I miss Michele Bachmann! True, and we could have merged several threads here with her "pray the gay away" husband.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 9, 2015 10:44:56 GMT -5
Why? He's a one-issue candidate who has absolutely no viable strategy to get his one issue resolved or passed into law. He should be running as a Republican, at least then there would be some perceived viability for getting his issue passed (the motivation being you pass the campaign finance reform law, he resigns and you get a Republican President). I don't agree with Fiorina, but you're right - she does know what the debt ceiling is. She has 0 consistency on her positions on increasing it (was for it as a national spokesperson/mouthpiece, is against it now as a candidate), but neither did Obama and Rubio/Paul wouldn't be able to maintain their positions once elected. Hillary wants to know what is this "consistency" thing you speak of.
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Post by quickplay on Oct 9, 2015 11:03:38 GMT -5
What kind of cynical, depraved heart do you have to have to imply that Hillary has zero personal convictions and is just seeking power that she feels she is entitled to? There is nothing at all in her career to support such slanderous claims!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 9, 2015 11:22:30 GMT -5
What kind of cynical, depraved heart do you have to have to imply that Hillary has zero personal convictions and is just seeking power that she feels she is entitled to? There is nothing at all in her career to support such slanderous claims! "Citizens, you will elect me—I will be your leader."
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Post by tashoya on Oct 9, 2015 12:09:59 GMT -5
Does this mean Kate McKinnon is a viable write-in candidate? Unqualified and funny is much better than unqualified and crazy.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 13, 2015 15:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Oct 13, 2015 15:36:26 GMT -5
Good to see the Dems were able to secure a neutral moderator fr tonight's proceedings.
And as luck would have it, neutral and and a member of the CGI.
This stuff writes itself.
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Post by TC on Oct 13, 2015 16:03:31 GMT -5
Outrage over Anderson Cooper is weak sauce even for the RW blogosphere.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 13, 2015 16:11:17 GMT -5
Outrage over Anderson Cooper is weak sauce even for the RW blogosphere. You're right. He's neutral. He's pledged to really get the candidates to face off against each other, and not just be a series of talking points.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 13, 2015 22:36:28 GMT -5
IMO, it was clear that Hillary possesses far more experience with debates than her opponents. Well prepared. One refreshing aspect of this debate, other than the fact that an actual discussion of issues took place, was that there were no comments that insulted women, immigrants, Muslims or other minorities. That was certainly different than the Republican counterparts.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 13, 2015 22:52:35 GMT -5
IMO, it was clear that Hillary possesses far more experience with debates than her opponents. Well prepared. One refreshing aspect of this debate, other than the fact that an actual discussion of issues took place, was that there were no comments that insulted women, immigrants, Muslims or other minorities. That was certainly different than the Republican counterparts. I agree with your take. I also admire Bernie Sanders' show of passion. I don't necessarily agree with some of his viewpoints but I feel like he's running for the right personal reasons. That's refreshing. That said, is it me or does Bernie Sanders sound a lot like the Steinbrenner voice on Seinfeld?
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Post by prhoya on Oct 13, 2015 23:06:02 GMT -5
That said, is it me or does Bernie Sanders sound a lot like the Steinbrenner voice on Seinfeld? Yes!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 14, 2015 7:25:37 GMT -5
That said, is it me or does Bernie Sanders sound a lot like the Steinbrenner voice on Seinfeld? The voice of George Steinbrenner was played by Larry David, and yes, the Interwebs have noticed. As for the others: 1. Lincoln Chafee may be stranger than Lindsay Graham. 2. Jim Webb would have been a great Democratic candidate...in 1956. 3. Martin O'Malley may be running for VP, but not exactly for President.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 14, 2015 9:35:14 GMT -5
Anderson Cooper should moderate most of the debates. Far and away the best I've seen this campaign season.
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