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Post by SSHoya on Dec 22, 2017 7:42:14 GMT -5
Actually, one illegal immigrant in the US is one too many, but you were close I'll accept your correction! Merry Christmas, Elvado!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 9:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by badgerhoya on Dec 22, 2017 12:58:33 GMT -5
DOJ study reports that 1 in 5 federal inmates was born outside the US and 94% of those inmates were here illegally. Staggering. Don’t we have enough homegrown criminals? Doesn't that report also count "Illegal Immigration" as a crime (meaning, it's ipso facto overcounting immigrants)? What does the percent actually look like when you pull that crime out?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 22, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -5
DOJ study reports that 1 in 5 federal inmates was born outside the US and 94% of those inmates were here illegally. Staggering. Don’t we have enough homegrown criminals? Doesn't that report also count "Illegal Immigration" as a crime (meaning, it's ipso facto overcounting immigrants)? What does the percent actually look like when you pull that crime out? How exactly is that an overcount? 1 in 5 federal inmates was born outside the US. Of that 20%, 94% are here illegally. Illegal immigration may or may not be the crime for which they are incarcerated.
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Post by TC on Dec 22, 2017 13:24:41 GMT -5
Your conclusion "don't we have enough homegrown criminals" suggests that we have enough people committing a crime of a subset that does not include illegal immigration - and that we do not need any more people committing a crime of that subset. Meanwhile, your statistics include people who are only guilty of illegal immigration and who would not fall under the subset of your conclusion.
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Post by badgerhoya on Dec 22, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
Doesn't that report also count "Illegal Immigration" as a crime (meaning, it's ipso facto overcounting immigrants)? What does the percent actually look like when you pull that crime out? How exactly is that an overcount? 1 in 5 federal inmates was born outside the US. Of that 20%, 94% are here illegally. Illegal immigration may or may not be the crime for which they are incarcerated. But I think you and I both know that this particular government isn't known for being neutral on their immigration stance. They're expecting people to make the leap from saying that 1 in 5 is there because they're "druggists, rapists, etc." What I'm saying is if you pull out those people whose only crime is illegal immigration - what does that rate look like? Is it 1 in 5, 1 in 10, 1 in 20? For instance: "Those who think illegal immigrants are unusually crime-prone tend to make several errors when making their case. The most common is to only look at non-citizen incarcerations in federal prisons. First, that is a bad measurement because non-citizens includes illegal immigrants and also legal non-citizens, so it is an over count. Second, federal prisons only hold about 10 percent of all prisoners, with the other 90 percent incarcerated in state and local prisons and jails. Federal prisons hold prisoners convicted of federal crimes or crimes committed while crossing a border, including immigration offenses and drug smuggling, which disproportionately lead to foreigners being imprisoned. In May 2017, the last month for which data are available, 46.3 percent of federal inmates were incarcerated for drug offenses and 8.2 percent for immigration crimes. Imprisonment of non-violent drug and immigration offenders is not the hallmark of a crime wave. ...Focusing on prisoners between the ages of 18 and 54, 1.53 percent of all native-born adults are incarcerated, compared with 0.85 percent of illegal immigrants in the same age range – including those incarcerated for immigration crimes and in immigration detention. Excluding those particular crimes brings the illegal immigrant incarceration rate down to 0.50 percent – one third of the native rate. This holds true even when you take race into account. Whereas white, native-born Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 0.90 percent, illegal immigrants of every race and ethnicity are still less likely to be incarcerated, at a rate of 0.85 percent." www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/12/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find.html
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Post by Elvado on Dec 22, 2017 14:56:04 GMT -5
How exactly is that an overcount? 1 in 5 federal inmates was born outside the US. Of that 20%, 94% are here illegally. Illegal immigration may or may not be the crime for which they are incarcerated. But I think you and I both know that this particular government isn't known for being neutral on their immigration stance. They're expecting people to make the leap from saying that 1 in 5 is there because they're "druggists, rapists, etc." What I'm saying is if you pull out those people whose only crime is illegal immigration - what does that rate look like? Is it 1 in 5, 1 in 10, 1 in 20? For instance: "Those who think illegal immigrants are unusually crime-prone tend to make several errors when making their case. The most common is to only look at non-citizen incarcerations in federal prisons. First, that is a bad measurement because non-citizens includes illegal immigrants and also legal non-citizens, so it is an over count. Second, federal prisons only hold about 10 percent of all prisoners, with the other 90 percent incarcerated in state and local prisons and jails. Federal prisons hold prisoners convicted of federal crimes or crimes committed while crossing a border, including immigration offenses and drug smuggling, which disproportionately lead to foreigners being imprisoned. In May 2017, the last month for which data are available, 46.3 percent of federal inmates were incarcerated for drug offenses and 8.2 percent for immigration crimes. Imprisonment of non-violent drug and immigration offenders is not the hallmark of a crime wave. ...Focusing on prisoners between the ages of 18 and 54, 1.53 percent of all native-born adults are incarcerated, compared with 0.85 percent of illegal immigrants in the same age range – including those incarcerated for immigration crimes and in immigration detention. Excluding those particular crimes brings the illegal immigrant incarceration rate down to 0.50 percent – one third of the native rate. This holds true even when you take race into account. Whereas white, native-born Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 0.90 percent, illegal immigrants of every race and ethnicity are still less likely to be incarcerated, at a rate of 0.85 percent." www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/12/illegal-immigrant-crime-wave-evidence-is-hard-to-find.htmlWhich is a lovely view if you ignore that illegal immigration is serious crime all by itself. Ps. We should not be housing them; we should be returning them whence they came
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 22, 2017 15:45:33 GMT -5
Serious crime? You've got to be ting me.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 22, 2017 15:51:36 GMT -5
Serious crime? You've got to be ting me. Yes serious crime as in compromise of the border of a sovereign nation.
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Post by badgerhoya on Dec 22, 2017 17:02:03 GMT -5
Serious crime? You've got to be ting me. Yes serious crime as in compromise of the border of a sovereign nation. Except 2/3ds of them actually came in on visas and overstayed their duration <coughcoughMelaniacoughcough>.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 22, 2017 17:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 19:51:20 GMT -5
😂😂😂....
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 22, 2017 20:22:27 GMT -5
Ninth Circuit Xmas gift for Trump: The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld an injunction against the third iteration of President Donald Trump’s travel ban executive order Friday. The court, which heard oral arguments in the case last month, ruled that Trump exceeded his authority in issuing the Sept. 24 travel ban proclamation. The court said that under the Immigration and Nationality Act, Trump could only ban immigrants based on nationality if he makes a “finding” that the entry of those individuals would be “detrimental to the interests of the United States.” Trump, the three-judge panel ruled, failed to make such a finding before issuing the proclamation, which indefinitely bans immigrants from eight countries on the basis that those countries have insufficient information-sharing protocols when it comes to vetting immigrants and granting visas. “The President is not foreclosed from acting to enhance vetting capabilities and other practices in order to strengthen existing immigration law, but must do so in a manner consistent with Congress’s intent,” the per curiam opinion said. “Put another way, the President cannot effectively abrogate existing immigration law while purporting to merely strengthen it; the cure cannot be worse than the disease.” The court, however, limited its ruling so that the injunction against the ban only applies to those with no bona fide relationship to the United States. The case was brought by the state of Hawaii, as well as an individual affected by the Sept. 24 order and a Muslim association. Hogan Lovells’ Neal Katyal, who represented the state, said on Twitter that the ruling was a “thorough repudiation of Trump’s position on both substance and procedure.” www.law.com/nationallawjournal/sites/therecorder/2017/12/22/ninth-circuit-slaps-down-trumps-travel-ban-a-third-time/?et=editorial&bu=National%20Law%20Journal&cn=20171222&src=EMC-Email&pt=Daily%20Headlines
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 22, 2017 21:20:13 GMT -5
Trump: I openly invite every woman legally residing in the US (don't want any of those illegals) to come to the White House and let me fondle her Edited. I guarantee that my approval rating will skyrocket, to the highest level ever seen. And none of those women will be able to lie and claim that I sexually abused them. It's a win win. Ha!
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 23, 2017 5:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
Smdh...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 23, 2017 16:17:26 GMT -5
My former co-worker from Nigeria would be appalled at that comment from Trump. Plus my other co-worker from Haiti via Canada would be just an angry.
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Post by badgerhoya on Dec 23, 2017 17:40:43 GMT -5
What more do you expect from a guy convinced he’s honoring Mexicans by eating a burrito bowl for CdM?
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 23, 2017 18:20:43 GMT -5
I can’t imagine why anyone thinks he’s got a race problem.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 23, 2017 20:48:04 GMT -5
I'm having trouble forming a thought after reading that. I'm trying to wrap my mind around the fact that that was, allegedly, said by a person in 2017. And that person is our president. Even reading what I just wrote back, I'm dumbfounded. And that ran on "Making America Great Again" and looking out for the little guy. How does one recycle a 250 pound piece of garbage?
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