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Post by kchoya on Aug 5, 2015 10:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 5, 2015 11:25:30 GMT -5
I suppose we'll have to wait until we beat #24 Wisconsin to be ranked.
Espn seems to do this every year.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 5, 2015 11:25:20 GMT -5
Butler ahead of Hoyas? Wow.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Aug 5, 2015 11:54:02 GMT -5
I suppose we'll have to wait until we beat #24 Wisconsin to be ranked. Espn seems to do this every year. No, when we beat Wisco they'll just chalk it up to ranking UW way too high at 24 (and they may have a point about that). |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 5, 2015 12:11:32 GMT -5
They're clearly trying to drive clicks
Their top 25 is a complete joke.
Baylor, Vanderbilt, WV, SMU, Wisconsin, Texas AM, LSU are all jokes to have over us.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 5, 2015 12:13:13 GMT -5
I'm sure our ranking will mysteriously jump into the top 25, maybe top 15 just in time for the Maryland game. That way when Maryland loses their RPI won't take a big hit. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 5, 2015 12:39:31 GMT -5
Butler ahead of Hoyas? Wow. Not unexpected. The pollsters look at last season's record, graduation losses, and figure more of the same. It may not be an educated pick, but few pollsters know Butler from Bradley from Cal State-Bakersfield unless they're following a consistent Top 25 team. |
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Aug 5, 2015 12:42:52 GMT -5
I thought our exclusion was ridiculous until reading each description...There is a lot of talent this year.
On the surface- we lost our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers, our top 2 rebounders, and a lot of minutes/ experience.
We expect Copeland, Peak, and Tre to make significant jumps and for Govan to fill the void in the middle. That is a fair amount of assumption. Like most of you, I think the Hoyas are going to be better than last season- but I understand how someone who doesn't follow the program much/ watch every game can be a little more skeptical. (the experts don't follow the Hoyas like we do)
If this list had a "just missed out" section, I would expect to see the Hoyas.
The great news: With such a loaded schedule, we will have plenty of opportunity to prove the naysayers wrong!
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 5, 2015 14:01:06 GMT -5
who cares beat maryland and THEN WE WILL SEE Go hoyas Schedule brutal in ooc in nov dec so lets go hoyas BRING IT ON italian tested
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 5, 2015 15:32:25 GMT -5
I did a post a while ago on HoyaTalk that compared the top 25 pre-season to the end-of-season top 25, and it showed that at least for that one season, a significant number of teams that were in the pre-season top 25 did not stay, and a number of teams that fell outside the initial top 25 ended up in it.
While I do personally believe we are a top 25 pre-season team, it does not surprise me that we would be overlooked (for the reasons others have pointed out already above). That said, I am sure there will be many more pre-season top 25s, and we will have a chance to quickly get ranked at the beginning of the season.
This is where the OOC is crucial. It gives us tons of opportunities to get noticed (which are not as prominent in the conference schedule, aside from Villanova). If we can win 3/4 of the hard pre-season games, and if we happened to beat Wisconsin and then Duke in the 2K classic (feasible), we would suddenly be top 15 or better.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 5, 2015 15:50:58 GMT -5
I thought our exclusion was ridiculous until reading each description...There is a lot of talent this year. On the surface- we lost our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers, our top 2 rebounders, and a lot of minutes/ experience. We expect Copeland, Peak, and Tre to make significant jumps and for Govan to fill the void in the middle. That is a fair amount of assumption. Like most of you, I think the Hoyas are going to be better than last season- but I understand how someone who doesn't follow the program much/ watch every game can be a little more skeptical. (the experts don't follow the Hoyas like we do) If this list had a "just missed out" section, I would expect to see the Hoyas. The great news: With such a loaded schedule, we will have plenty of opportunity to prove the naysayers wrong! Agree. Not certain how anyone could be happy with a listing or upset by an omission in August. Truth is that other than DSR, the optimism is based upon expected growth of last year's freshmen and the readiness of this year's freshmen. In the absence of any games, the expectations of the Hoya nation are almost entirely centered on the potential of some very young and talented players. That alone would not necessarily justify a ranking at this time. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 5, 2015 20:02:14 GMT -5
Lunardi has us as a 6 in his August Bracketology, and that's top 25, so chances are we didn't miss by much. Doesn't matter, anyway.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 6, 2015 0:32:55 GMT -5
I thought our exclusion was ridiculous until reading each description...There is a lot of talent this year. On the surface- we lost our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers, our top 2 rebounders, and a lot of minutes/ experience. We expect Copeland, Peak, and Tre to make significant jumps and for Govan to fill the void in the middle. That is a fair amount of assumption. Like most of you, I think the Hoyas are going to be better than last season- but I understand how someone who doesn't follow the program much/ watch every game can be a little more skeptical. (the experts don't follow the Hoyas like we do) If this list had a "just missed out" section, I would expect to see the Hoyas. The great news: With such a loaded schedule, we will have plenty of opportunity to prove the naysayers wrong! Agree. Not certain how anyone could be happy with a listing or upset by an omission in August. Truth is that other than DSR, the optimism is based upon expected growth of last year's freshmen and the readiness of this year's freshmen. In the absence of any games, the expectations of the Hoya nation are almost entirely centered on the potential of some very young and talented players. That alone would not necessarily justify a ranking at this time. Didn't Villanova lose just as much if not more from last season's roster than Gtown? Including its leading scorer? And where are the Wildcats ranked in this pre-season poll again? So folks must be projecting their new players and young players to make the natural progression that ALL teams rely on, is that not correct? Didn't Duke lose its four best players (all starters) from last season's squad and thus must rely on freshmen and a sophomore or two to be ready to step up and play? Where is Duke ranked? How many standout players return for Wisconsin? And so on and so on and so on. These people doing the rankings must rely on projection for so many of the teams they include in their preseason top 25. It isn't as if Gtown alone is a team in which a lot of assumptions must be made. The truth is that there is some anti-Big East/anti-Gtown bias going on. And the likely greater truth is that the Hoyas are suffering as a brand right now in the eyes of the college basketball experts. This has been discussed before on these boards. When you don't live up to expectations (seeding) in the post season for year after year after year, there is bound to be a negative carryover effect. People prejudge you based upon those showings and as a result you get less benefit of the doubt in so far preseason rankings are concerned. That's fine. That's expected. My issue though is that the Hoyas return three of its five starters from a team that advanced one round in the NCAA tourney last season. And one of those returning players is its leading scorer and senior who has a chance to be BE Player of the Year and even an All American. The other starters are part of a sophomore class that everyone thought very highly of, a group of guys who will get better just by being a year older. Throw in what has to be universally considered a solid freshmen class and the fact that last season's team was ranked for part of the year, finished second in the BE and made the NCAA tourney and what you have are enough components to make other outlets outside of ESPN/AP have Gtown ranked in the pre-season top 15. I suppose ESPN really thought highly of Jabril, Mikael and the 19 minutes Josh was able to stay on the floor per game. Who knew? Hey, it isn't the end of the world nor is it outrageous that Georgetown isn't in ESPN's preseason top 25 (it is a little absurd but not outrageous). I'm totally confident in this team and I have no doubt the team will move into top 25 territory not too long after the season begins if it indeed starts the season unranked. Unfortunately it is becoming the norm for III's teams to start from scratch by being unranked at the beginning of the season only to end up breaking into that 25 after the first month or two. It would be nice if the program can get back to being respected enough that it gets more preseason recognition. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 6, 2015 5:12:19 GMT -5
I think we'll be Top 25 in the AP and ESPN/Coaches polls at the beginning of the season, i.e. the first poll that comes out.
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Post by IDenj on Aug 6, 2015 5:13:59 GMT -5
Yawn.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 6, 2015 7:22:49 GMT -5
Agree. Not certain how anyone could be happy with a listing or upset by an omission in August. Truth is that other than DSR, the optimism is based upon expected growth of last year's freshmen and the readiness of this year's freshmen. In the absence of any games, the expectations of the Hoya nation are almost entirely centered on the potential of some very young and talented players. That alone would not necessarily justify a ranking at this time. Didn't Villanova lose just as much if not more from last season's roster than Gtown? Including its leading scorer? And where are the Wildcats ranked in this pre-season poll again? So folks must be projecting their new players and young players to make the natural progression that ALL teams rely on, is that not correct? Didn't Duke lose its four best players (all starters) from last season's squad and thus must rely on freshmen and a sophomore or two to be ready to step up and play? Where is Duke ranked? How many standout players return for Wisconsin? And so on and so on and so on. These people doing the rankings must rely on projection for so many of the teams they include in their preseason top 25. It isn't as if Gtown alone is a team in which a lot of assumptions must be made. The truth is that there is some anti-Big East/anti-Gtown bias going on. And the likely greater truth is that the Hoyas are suffering as a brand right now in the eyes of the college basketball experts. This has been discussed before on these boards. When you don't live up to expectations (seeding) in the post season for year after year after year, there is bound to be a negative carryover effect. People prejudge you based upon those showings and as a result you get less benefit of the doubt in so far preseason rankings are concerned. That's fine. That's expected. My issue though is that the Hoyas return three of its five starters from a team that advanced one round in the NCAA tourney last season. And one of those returning players is its leading scorer and senior who has a chance to be BE Player of the Year and even an All American. The other starters are part of a sophomore class that everyone thought very highly of, a group of guys who will get better just by being a year older. Throw in what has to be universally considered a solid freshmen class and the fact that last season's team was ranked for part of the year, finished second in the BE and made the NCAA tourney and what you have are enough components to make other outlets outside of ESPN/AP have Gtown ranked in the pre-season top 15. I suppose ESPN really thought highly of Jabril, Mikael and the 19 minutes Josh was able to stay on the floor per game. Who knew? Hey, it isn't the end of the world nor is it outrageous that Georgetown isn't in ESPN's preseason top 25 (it is a little absurd but not outrageous). I'm totally confident in this team and I have no doubt the team will move into top 25 territory not too long after the season begins if it indeed starts the season unranked. Unfortunately it is becoming the norm for III's teams to start from scratch by being unranked at the beginning of the season only to end up breaking into that 25 after the first month or two. It would be nice if the program can get back to being respected enough that it gets more preseason recognition. It'd be even nicer if they did away with preseason rankings and waited until some games were played to make an evaluation. Syracuse beating local vocational schools always pumped up their hype but a loss to say Lemoyne (freaking hilarious) never hurt them proportionally. In a vacuum, I have no problem with preseason rankings. They're fun to consider and to debate. But they become national rankings when the season starts. I hate having to wait extra weeks for ACC teams to drop out just because they were ranked so highly in the preseason. Additionally, it's clear that ESPN analysts don't read the Kenner thread  |
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Post by tashoya on Aug 6, 2015 7:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Aug 6, 2015 10:44:41 GMT -5
Here we come with the "I don't care about rankings. I'd rather be under-the-radar" crowd. You people realize that being in the top-25 leads to more mentions, more airtime, and more publicity, which helps with recruiting, donations, and interest in the program? Plus, for people who care enough about the program to spend time on this board, there are a lot of you who could care less about how publicized and popular the program is. |
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Post by seaweed on Aug 6, 2015 12:20:41 GMT -5
Here we come with the "I don't care about rankings. I'd rather be under-the-radar" crowd. You people realize that being in the top-25 leads to more mentions, more airtime, and more publicity, which helps with recruiting, donations, and interest in the program? Plus, for people who care enough about the program to spend time on this board, there are a lot of you who could care less about how publicized and popular the program is. That's true in season, not in August. The reality is, what ESPN says in August about college hoops is decreasingly important, not increasingly. Too much other chatter in the system, their brand is diluted by blatant favoritism of their 'client' schools, and plus, no prep player is spending the summer worrying about the pre-season NCAA rankings. |
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Post by calhoya on Aug 6, 2015 14:29:56 GMT -5
Would really like to see a ranked team throughout the year, including preseason. My point was that the fact that the Hoyas are not ranked now is not a shock to me. The fact that other teams with young and inexperienced squads are ranked, does not change my view that these Hoyas have a lot to prove before deserving to be ranked. I also agree that teams like Duke get unfair consideration and rankings that are not warranted.
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